Kentucky Jet Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Harris progressing fast By Gregg Hayim Posted Aug 28, 2007 A lot was made of the Jets trading up in the first round to land Pittsburgh cornerback Darrelle Revis. That is looking like a screwd move. But the Jets also made a draft day trade to move up in the second round and grab linebacker David Harris. That move isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Harris progressing fast By Gregg Hayim Posted Aug 28, 2007 A lot was made of the Jets trading up in the first round to land Pittsburgh cornerback Darrelle Revis. That is looking like a screwd move. But the Jets also made a draft day trade to move up in the second round and grab linebacker David Harris. That move isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Harris reminds me of Pepper Johnson who I always thought was underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#90 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 As crazy as this sounds, Harris should start. He is a perfect fir for the 3-4. Vilma and Barton should rotate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Harris reminds me of Pepper Johnson who I always thought was underrated. Could that be the #52? He looks much smaller than I thought he would, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because he's not actually small and he looks like he can fill out and already seems capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 As crazy as this sounds, Harris should start. He is a perfect fir for the 3-4. Vilma and Barton should rotate. vilma should be outside, or a damn safety. If we are going to stop the run, the ILB's are harris and barton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 how bout barton starts right next to harris?????????????????? vilma had a stellar rookie year, so why can't harris? this could well be vilma's last year as a jet. he just doesn't seem to fit the role of a 3-4 backer. i think you are going to see more of a 3-man rotation this season with vilma always being on the field for the nickel and dime defenses. i know it was only preseason but harris really impressed me. he was always moving forward, taking on the guards, and getting off the blocks. vilma continues to pussyfoot around and give ground as he tries to avoid blocks rather than taking them on. i just hope the jets can still get a 1st rd pick for vilma and his stock hasn't dropped too much in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 vilma should be outside, or a damn safety. If we are going to stop the run, the ILB's are harris and barton. Vilma should in no way be on the outside in a 3-4. If he's undersized for the inside than he's definitely not a fit on the outside. 3-4 OLB's are usually undersized 4-3 ends. If Vilma doesn't at least show reasonable improvement against the run this year, we should strongly consider trading him. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Could that be the #52? He looks much smaller than I thought he would, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because he's not actually small and he looks like he can fill out and already seems capable. I know they both share the smae number. I just think Harris is a similar type player. Pepper was a tough run stopper himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 How about this? Vilma and Harris on the inside and Thomas and Barton on the outside with Hobson and Bowens as primary subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 How about this? Vilma and Harris on the inside and Thomas and Barton on the outside with Hobson and Bowens as primary subs? Might work... but I think Barton is too slow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Might work... but I think Barton is too slow... unfortunatly barton is the best linebaker on the roster, maybe next to Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 How about this? Vilma and Harris on the inside and Thomas and Barton on the outside with Hobson and Bowens as primary subs? barton and thomas aren't the problems, vilma is. vilma has shown no ability to play ILB in the 3-4. maybe this year he will surprise everyone but he has shown nothing to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 unfortunatly barton is the best linebaker on the roster, maybe next to Thomas. He has lost a step or two though... thats why they drafted Harris... they did not draft Harris to replace Vilma... they drafted him to be next to Vilma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What we should do is trade Vilma and start Barton and Harris. Vilma has huge value to a team that runs the 4-3, we could possibly get a 1st round pick from a team that lands in the top 5-10 picks and maybe draft Glenn Dorsey as our DT of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What we should do is trade Vilma and start Barton and Harris. Vilma has huge value to a team that runs the 4-3, we could possibly get a 1st round pick from a team that lands in the top 5-10 picks and maybe draft Glenn Dorsey as our DT of the future. Problem is Vilma is the brains of the D out on the field and runs the show... Also then they would need to find an ILB to replace Barton who is aging... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Harris reminds me of Pepper Johnson who I always thought was underrated. Good call. I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Problem is Vilma is the brains of the D out on the field and runs the show... Also then they would need to find an ILB to replace Barton who is aging... The brains of the D is a load of bull, honestly any other player can fill that role. Also Harris was learning the role with the 2nd team defense during TC. Vilma has huge value now and Barton is a better 3-4 ILB unless Vilma actually shows good progression this season theres no reason to keep him. He isn't big enough to play ILB and it doesn't look like he did much to change that this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The brains of the D is a load of bull, honestly any other player can fill that role. Also Harris was learning the role with the 2nd team defense during TC. Vilma has huge value now and Barton is a better 3-4 ILB unless Vilma actually shows good progression this season theres no reason to keep him. He isn't big enough to play ILB and it doesn't look like he did much to change that this offseason. Its not bull... Mangini runs a complicated D and Vilma manages everything on the field... they cant just throw anyone into that job... its not that easy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Its not bull... Mangini runs a complicated D and Vilma manages everything on the field... they cant just throw anyone into that job... its not that easy... The thing is though yes any starter can fill that role, its not as hard as people make it out to be. Saying hes the brains of the D is pretty much equal to calling a QB a game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The thing is though yes any starter can fill that role, its not as hard as people make it out to be. Saying hes the brains of the D is pretty much equal to calling a QB a game manager. LOL The QB is a game manager in Shotty's system... thats why Chad will be calling more plays this season... Im sorry but your wrong, Vilma has A LOT to do with the defense and how well it runs... he has been in that role for a full season and 2 offseasons... he knows it better than anyone else and the JETS would suffer at this point without him in there... In order to make the change they would need to do it early in the offseason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 LOL The QB is a game manager in Shotty's system... thats why Chad will be calling more plays this season... Im sorry but your wrong, Vilma has A LOT to do with the defense and how well it runs... he has been in that role for a full season and 2 offseasons... he knows it better than anyone else and the JETS would suffer at this point without him in there... In order to make the change they would need to do it early in the offseason... They wouldn't suffer. Any slight difference that was made while any other player started being the brains of the defense would be negated since our ILB wouldn't be getting mauled by guards every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 LOL The QB is a game manager in Shotty's system... thats why Chad will be calling more plays this season... Im sorry but your wrong, Vilma has A LOT to do with the defense and how well it runs... he has been in that role for a full season and 2 offseasons... he knows it better than anyone else and the JETS would suffer at this point without him in there... In order to make the change they would need to do it early in the offseason... ECurb has been right throughout this whole thread... Vilma may be undersized but at the same time he has way to much potential to trade or let go... He has speed, quickness, heart... I'm telling you, playing alongside Harris will only benefit Vilma. How about we upgrade our D-Line and actually give Vilma a fair chance. Vilma is smarter than most LB's in the game... And smarts is not something you can just give a player... Vilma is the leader of this D and I have alot of faith that Vilma will have a big time season this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 After Vilma makes the pro-bowl this year we won't be having this discussion:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 After Vilma makes the pro-bowl this year we won't be having this discussion:) The pro-bowl means nothing. It only has to do with name recognition otherwise Rhodes would have made it last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Might work... but I think Barton is too slow... Hobson is not exactly a Hollywood Henderson when it comes to speed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hobson is not exactly a Hollywood Henderson when it comes to speed either. Hobson is a freakin bum. i can't wait til we replace that pile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hobson is a freakin bum. i can't wait til we replace that pile. What? Hobson is a very good LB. He's got quickness and toughness and is a solid tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hobson is a freakin bum. i can't wait til we replace that pile. Wow, so Jet fans cant wait to replace Vilma and Hobson, and Barton is heading into his tenth season. That leaves Thomas, Harris, Bowens (also in his 10th season), Spencer and Costanzo. Wadsworht is not an every down player. Of course, there's always Shmegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The brains of the D is a load of bull, honestly any other player can fill that role. Also Harris was learning the role with the 2nd team defense during TC. Vilma has huge value now and Barton is a better 3-4 ILB unless Vilma actually shows good progression this season theres no reason to keep him. He isn't big enough to play ILB and it doesn't look like he did much to change that this offseason. Vilma was actually off the field for a lot of the 2nd quarter.I saw Bryan Thomas directing guys about on one play but I think BArton was the guy calling most of the shots when Vilma was off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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