Sperm Edwards Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I do not think it is a fair assessment of Rob Ryan, he just was apart of the worst football organization in Oakland. It was an organization that sets the owner and head coach to be advisories and the owner forces the head coach to have a defensive coordinator he did not get along with. It is hard to blame Rob Ryan on what happened with the Raiders. Oakland is football version of what the norm feels about Las Vegas, what comes to Oakland stays in Oakland That franchise is a train wreck and everyone knows the reason why. But with all the love he gets from some people, you'd think Oakland's defense was succeeding in spite of all that. Ryan may have been set up for failure in some ways, but Ryan did end up failing. So I don't see how he gets any credit for that. Again, I have nothing against him. Fiery guys who (allegedly) know their stuff on paper are fun to root for. But while they hardly have the Ravens' talent, Rob Ryan hasn't done much with a franchise that did NOT ignore the defensive side of the ball in the draft & FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 That franchise is a train wreck and everyone knows the reason why. But with all the love he gets from some people, you'd think Oakland's defense was succeeding in spite of all that. Ryan may have been set up for failure in some ways, but Ryan did end up failing. So I don't see how he gets any credit for that. Again, I have nothing against him. Fiery guys who (allegedly) know their stuff on paper are fun to root for. But while they hardly have the Ravens' talent, Rob Ryan hasn't done much with a franchise that did NOT ignore the defensive side of the ball in the draft & FA. I agree, I was just stating Oakland is not fair to assess anybody on because they are so dysfunctional. Rob Ryans chance in Cleveland will be huge for him but also Mangini. Rob Ryan and Eric Mangini futures are pitted with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 wtfever, he wasnt my personal choice so that makes me whiny? it'sjust your negativity! Your like Debbie Downer at a party! Everyone is soewhat excited and you keep coming in with these one line zingers! give it a rest already, Debbie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I agree, I was just stating Oakland is not fair to assess anybody on because they are so dysfunctional. Rob Ryans chance in Cleveland will be huge for him but also Mangini. Rob Ryan and Eric Mangini futures are pitted with each other. And it's not like Mangini has proven to be the best judge of "Who should be my defensive coordinator this year?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 And it's not like Mangini has proven to be the best judge of "Who should be my defensive coordinator this year?" It is ironic how Mangini and Rob Ryan have their career fates in each others hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 It is ironic how Mangini and Rob Ryan have their career fates in each others hands With zero NY pressure they will be fine. Actually very curious if Woody has a thing for Sutton and if Mangini would have fired him earlier.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 With zero NY pressure they will be fine. Actually very curious if Woody has a thing for Sutton and if Mangini would have fired him earlier.. Woody wouldn't be able to pick Sutton out of a police lineup if his daughter's freedom depended on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 With zero NY pressure they will be fine. Actually very curious if Woody has a thing for Sutton and if Mangini would have fired him earlier.. The pressure they do have is if they do not succeed they will have a tough time getting their next gig. If Ravens lose today Sutton will not be the defensive coordinator by weeks end, unless Sutton has something on Woody:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ryan is the guy I wanted from the very beginning. I will be nervous until it actually happens (please win Pittsburgh) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 dude i'm sick of his shenanigans. i'll be like hi and he'll say your retarded and your posts suck. my patience with this clown is gone Your posts do suck. That's pretty common knowledge around here. I never called you retarded in this thread. I said that the idea of "Rob Ryan>Rex Ryan" is retarded which it is. Yes he worked for Oakland but you talk as though he had nothing to work with which is quite frankly BS. He plays vanilla schemes unlike his brother and does not make the most of the talent available to him. The ONLY thing I could say about Ryan is that maybe he is just a puppet of Davis' madness but you can't base anything on assumptions and he has done nothing, NOTHING to merit putting him over Rex Ryan. And don't get me started on personal attacks, you were the one insulting me on Christmas ****ing day of all times because I disagreed with you. But yeah my "shenanigans" are clearly the issue here. Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Rob Ryan has done more with less? You know, I've heard how Mangini wanted him so badly and other than his last name I can't figure out what the big deal is with him. Their defense is arguably worse than it was when he got there. The only relatively successful season Oakland had under him statistically was when the offense was so bad that the other team was constantly on a short field, leading to them being #3 in yards-surrendered. The other years the offense wasn't much better, so frequently giving the other team a short field to work with, and they still ranked at or near the bottom of the NFL in yards and points annually. He even got a little added help by having (arguably) the best punter in the NFL. Barring that one "special season" of mediocrity, explain how he's done a good job. Their defense is clearly not the most talented in the league, but he hasn't done "more with less" - he's done nothing with less and sometimes less with less. Given Al Davis' clearly high opinion of Ryan, I'm sure he had major influence on their draft picks on defense. And those picks included going defense in: Rounds 1, 2, and 3 in 2005 Rounds 1, 2, and 4 in 2006 Round 3 (x2) in 2007 That's 8 defensive players taken in the top 3 rounds in a 3-year span. In addition to other free agents they acquired or already had: Derrick Burgess Nnamdi Asomugha Tyler Brayton, who Ryan benched but who seemed good enough to start 16 games on Carolina's OL in a 12-win season. Sapp, who was actually pretty good for them after Ryan stopped putting him out of position in similar fashion to the way his buddy Mangini did with DRob Charles Woodson for a couple of seasons. Gibril Wilson. You think Al Davis gave Tommy Kelly that stupid contract because Ryan said he sucks or because Ryan said "don't let me lose this kid"? Ditto mammoth-man Terdell Sands. You make it sound like they had a team with no talent to begin with and never addressed the defense in the draft or free agency in his time there. Compare that with Baltimore, who, with the exception of LB Dan Cody (who missed his whole career to injury) and DE/DT Haloti Ngata, has largely ignored the defense in the draft for years now. This year with their top 2 picks the Ravens went offense. Last year the top 3 picks they went offense. In 2005 they went offense with 5 of their top 6 picks. I have nothing against the guy and don't wish him ill-will with Mangini in Cleveland, but Rob clearly seems to be the least-talented in the Ryan family. The two people who wanted him more than anyone else were Al Davis (lol) and Eric Mangini (who hasn't exactly been choosy with his DC choice in NY). i commend you for trying but you were unsuccessful in proving that if rob had simmilar talent and management to wat rex had in baltimore he would still be a lesser coach than rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 i commend you for trying but you were unsuccessful in proving that if rob had simmilar talent and management to wat rex had in baltimore he would still be a lesser coach than rex. That's because you're asking people to prove a hypothetical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 That's because you're asking people to prove a hypothetical... i didnt ask ppl to do anything. i stated my opinion, ppl want to argue wit me about it go ahead doesnt mean a thing to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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