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16 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Swapping the LS didn't save $500k (or not in cap space, anyway). It's less than half that.

Thew new LS makes $400k, so he's not in the top 51. What the swap did is remove the $695k cap hit from Purdum (when a veteran is paid vet minimum, his cap hit is lower than his actual compensation; this is done so marginal vets like Purdum aren't priced out of a job by veteran minimum salaries going up with each year accrued). But after removing Purdum, the player whose cap hit was #52 moves up to the #51 slot. That's more in the $465k range (well above the new kid, which is why he doesn't count at all on the cap until $400k is at least the 51st-highest salary). So $695k-$465k = $230k. At least that's how I figure it, so it probably isn't a money move so much as future planning.

The truth is, it's one of the moves I can easily get behind. Purdum is 33 and the newb is 23. If there's a year to try out a new LS or two, and not lose your mind about any bad snaps costing games, it's this year. Honestly it was the correct move, but if Macc was smarter he'd have done it in March so they could work out more than 1 LS all spring/summer long (to then pick the one who makes the fewest errors). What is bass ackwards is letting the team (and ST coaches) work with Purdum again all summer long, and then replace him between the last preseason game and the first game of the season.

And if a game gets too close in the 4th quarter, they can say "Hey, kid, time to try out that new left-handed technique we talked about in practuice.  Don't worry about muffing it.  Gotta risk it for the biscuit!".  Harder to convince a 10-year vet to do that.

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9 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Just like a cow kicking over a perfectly good container of milk . 

I don't think most understand the benefit of changing from Purdum isn't money savings. This is me defending Maccagnan, but it's also true it could/should have been done 6 months ago so we could have worked out more than 1 of them, even if only for a few days before recouping the summer roster spot.

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4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I don't think most understand the benefit of changing from Purdum isn't money savings. This is me defending Maccagnan, but it's also true it could/should have been done 6 months ago so we could have worked out more than 1 of them, even if only for a few days before recouping the summer roster spot.

The jets had 3 long snappers in camp during the OTA workouts . They traded for the player they said was on their preferred list before he became a free agent cut and they had to put in a claim and hope .     

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29 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Swapping the LS didn't save $500k (or not in cap space, anyway). It's less than half that.

Thew new LS makes $400k, so he's not in the top 51. What the swap did is remove the $695k cap hit from Purdum (when a veteran is paid vet minimum, his cap hit is lower than his actual compensation; this is done so marginal vets like Purdum aren't priced out of a job by veteran minimum salaries going up with each year accrued). But after removing Purdum, the player whose cap hit was #52 moves up to the #51 slot. That's more in the $465k range (well above the new kid, which is why he doesn't count at all on the cap until $400k is at least the 51st-highest salary). So $695k-$465k = $230k. At least that's how I figure it, so it probably isn't a money move so much as future planning.

The truth is, it's one of the moves I can easily get behind. Purdum is 33 and the newb is 23. If there's a year to try out a new LS or two, and not lose your mind about any bad snaps costing games, it's this year. Honestly it was the correct move, but if Macc was smarter he'd have done it in March so they could work out more than 1 LS all spring/summer long (to then pick the one who makes the fewest errors). What is bass ackwards is letting the team (and ST coaches) work with Purdum again all summer long, and then replace him between the last preseason game and the first game of the season.

It was also mentioned somewhere that this new LS guy whatever his name is is better on return coverage than Purdum, so there is that.

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7 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

The jets had 3 long snappers in camp during the OTA workouts . They traded for the player they said was on their preferred list before he became a free agent cut and they had to put in a claim and hope .     

Meh. Pick one early, and have the punter/kicker work with him for weeks instead of going with Purdum all summer long and then changing things around after preseason is over.

Hopefully this works out, but you couldn't give them any less time to work together. 

I don't care what they say outwardly now, since they're in CYA mode with the Jets being ranked #32 and at an unprecedented 1000:1 odds for a superbowl win.

Plus it would seem then that the Colts brought in 2 UDFA long snappers better than all 3 of the ones we brought in: Hennessy lost the LS competition in Indy (and is why he was available). Think he really wouldn't have signed here if we offered? He grew up in freaking Bardonia, so his family and lots of his old friends live here. Also we have a track record for hanging on to our long snappers for years should he make the team.

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Just now, LIJetsFan said:

It was also mentioned somewhere that this new LS guy whatever his name is is better on return coverage than Purdum, so there is that.

I hope he is. Like I said, I have no problem moving on from Purdum. I just think waiting until September to replace him is far from ideal.

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Outside of Decker, who has his own injury concerns, the Jets didn't really unload any name players that would've helped them this year. And Decker had to go as part of the Fitzpatrick cabal that really undermined the head coach and GM all year. 

They need to move on from McCown ASAP. I get having him in there early to stabilize the offense a little bit while the OL gels and the receivers get up to speed (the team now has two brand new guys who could easily be starters on opening day). But he has to be out of there before week 5. If the team somehow, miraculously, finds itself at 2-2 at that point and Bowles is spewing his best chance to win horsecrap, I don't even know. 

I like the young hungry player perspective, but one of those young hungrily players needs to be Petty. And if/when (probably more when than if) Petty gets hurt, they gotta throw Hackenberg to the wolves. They need to have no illusions at the QB position when the season ends.  

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3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

They just cut the long-time long snapper to save $500k and they kept a kicker who can't make field goals because Bowles knew him from Arizona.

I wouldn't care if Bowles was fired tomorrow, but it's mindless nonsense like this that forces me not to endorse the stupidity spewed around these parts.  Outside of fabrications spewed around here, who in their right mind thinks that a DC and rookie kicker ever spoke a damn word to each other, never mind forming such a great, ever-living bond together?  Considering this was Martin's second year with the Jets, reality suggests he was the one Bowles knew better.  Even more likely, Bowles gave zero sh*ts who they kept, and let the ST coach pick.

I mean, seriously, for how much real stuff there is to hate about this team, how do people manage to constantly come up with the dumbest things possible to whine about?  Is it an end goal to deliberately make Jets fans look like the biggest mass of dipsh*ts assembled?  I would think the team is doing a good enough job of that on their own without our help.

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27 minutes ago, slats said:

Outside of Decker, who has his own injury concerns, the Jets didn't really unload any name players that would've helped them this year. And Decker had to go as part of the Fitzpatrick cabal that really undermined the head coach and GM all year. 

They need to move on from McCown ASAP. I get having him in there early to stabilize the offense a little bit while the OL gels and the receivers get up to speed (the team now has two brand new guys who could easily be starters on opening day). But he has to be out of there before week 5. If the team somehow, miraculously, finds itself at 2-2 at that point and Bowles is spewing his best chance to win horsecrap, I don't even know. 

I like the young hungry player perspective, but one of those young hungrily players needs to be Petty. And if/when (probably more when than if) Petty gets hurt, they gotta throw Hackenberg to the wolves. They need to have no illusions at the QB position when the season ends.  

I think there are certainly veterans we let go of that would have helped this year. It's unlikely they'd have helped enough, let alone in proportion to their compensation, just like last year.

If Petty gets injured late, and Hackenberg hardly plays, I'd think they'd be just as serious about drafting a QB as if Hackenberg and Petty both retired from football on January 10th.

They can't possibly be thinking of hedging their QB pick next year - bypassing one in the top 10 in favor of a 2nd-3rd rounder - just in case Hackenberg's light goes on. I mean they can't possibly, right? 

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I think there are certainly veterans we let go of that would have helped this year. It's unlikely they'd have helped enough, let alone in proportion to their compensation, just like last year.

If Petty gets injured late, and Hackenberg hardly plays, I'd think they'd be just as serious about drafting a QB as if Hackenberg and Petty both retired from football on January 10th.

They can't possibly be thinking of hedging their QB pick next year - bypassing one in the top 10 in favor of a 2nd-3rd rounder - just in case Hackenberg's light goes on. I mean they can't possibly, right? 

This scenario gives me night terrors.

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4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

They can't possibly be thinking of hedging their QB pick next year - bypassing one in the top 10 with a 2nd-3rd rounder, just in case Hackenberg's light goes on. I mean they can't possibly, right? 

This is a legitimate concern of mine. I hope it's completely unfounded, but I just feel like there's a little too much ego tied into the Hackenberg selection. I'd really feel better if they gave him six games or so to crash and burn - or prove everyone wrong and suddenly be the guy! I'm worried that an incomplete grade might get in the way of taking a QB high next year. Mac has demonstrated himself to play it extremely safe in the first round, and he knows his career will be tied to any top five QB pick. I think he'd have to genuinely be in love with the player to make that move, but by draft time all of these can't miss prospects will be displaying a lot of warts. Does he have the balls to pull the trigger? 

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8 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Now imagine that with your face under a pants-less Maccagnan's mesh office chair, inhaling his vile coffee farts all draft long.

Check. Your turn.

And you hear him whisper into the phone, "Okay, make that Petty and both of our 2018 2nd rounders for Geno.  I'll call it in".

Checkmate?

 

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Just now, slats said:

This is a legitimate concern of mine. I hope it's completely unfounded, but I just feel like there's a little too much ego tied into the Hackenberg selection. I'd really feel better if they gave him six games or so to crash and burn - or prove everyone wrong and suddenly be the guy! I'm worried that an incomplete grade might get in the way of taking a QB high next year. Mac has demonstrated himself to play it extremely safe in the first round, and he knows his career will be tied to any top five QB pick. I think he'd have to genuinely be in love with the player to make that move, but by draft time all of these can't miss prospects will be displaying a lot of warts. Does he have the balls to pull the trigger? 

Valid concern, but your scenario could be worse. Even a bad QB can get hot (or anyway, far less cold) for a handful of games. Look at Geno's first 2 seasons, McCown in Chicago, etc.

Late in the season there are some favorable pass-D matchups for a QB. Yeah, they play Denver/KC, but there's enough of a built-in excuse if he only recently got the starting nod after the bye. Meanwhile they also play Carolina, New Orleans, the Chargers, and NE who will have clinched their slot by then (with an obvious interest in making Hackenberg look good). 

I could argue the worst thing that could happen is him still sucking but looking much improved in those last 3 games vs NO, LAC, NE. Just enough to add in the doubt that a #1 to #5 overall pick is needed to expend at the position. We could be better off if he's on the bench all year lol.

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1 minute ago, nycdan said:

And you hear him whisper into the phone, "Okay, make that Petty and both of our 2018 2nd rounders for Geno.  I'll call it in".

Checkmate?

 

Geno and Hack duking it out in '18 with a mid-late round rookie. Yeah, I think that's checkmate.

Or it would have if you'd added in bringing back McCown with Geno/Hack, so next year's rookie would be listed as our 4th stringer until week 17. 

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5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Valid concern, but your scenario could be worse. Even a bad QB can get hot (or anyway, far less cold) for a handful of games. Look at Geno's first 2 seasons, McCown in Chicago, etc.

Late in the season there are some favorable pass-D matchups for a QB. Yeah, they play Denver/KC, but there's enough of a built-in excuse if he only recently got the starting nod after the bye. Meanwhile they also play Carolina, New Orleans, the Chargers, and NE who will have clinched their slot by then (with an obvious interest in making Hackenberg look good). 

I could argue the worst thing that could happen is him still sucking but looking much improved in those last 3 games vs NO, LAC, NE. Just enough to add in the doubt that a #1 to #5 overall pick is needed to expend at the position. We could be better off if he's on the bench all year lol.

Ugh, yeah, I hear that, too. 

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This franchise is so cursed I completely believe we will screw up the tank and somehow go 6-10 and Wackagnan and Toilet Bowles will still be here in 2018.

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16 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

I think it is becoming evident that the locker room is behind Petty, not McClown or Hack. Bowles really needs to man up and start him. I know he wont though.

If this is true, then there's only 1 way to proceed . Bryce Petty needs to be removed from the roster .  They can only be 1 leader, and it has to be the HC . 

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6 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

I wouldn't care if Bowles was fired tomorrow, but it's mindless nonsense like this that forces me not to endorse the stupidity spewed around these parts.  Outside of fabrications spewed around here, who in their right mind thinks that a DC and rookie kicker ever spoke a damn word to each other, never mind forming such a great, ever-living bond together?  Considering this was Martin's second year with the Jets, reality suggests he was the one Bowles knew better.  Even more likely, Bowles gave zero sh*ts who they kept, and let the ST coach pick.

I mean, seriously, for how much real stuff there is to hate about this team, how do people manage to constantly come up with the dumbest things possible to whine about?  Is it an end goal to deliberately make Jets fans look like the biggest mass of dipsh*ts assembled?  I would think the team is doing a good enough job of that on their own without our help.

Except for the Great Minds, the NFL is an Old Boys Network.   That is how Bowles will get his next job. 

6 hours ago, nycdan said:

 This scenario gives me night terrors.

It could really happen if the Jets pick out of the top 5.  

6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Geno and Hack duking it out in '18 with a mid-late round rookie. Yeah, I think that's checkmate.

Or it would have if you'd added in bringing back McCown with Geno/Hack, so next year's rookie would be listed as our 4th stringer until week 17. 

Possible. 

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11 hours ago, Tinstar said:

The way this team is constructed on offense, I would be more worried about having a job if I was an offensive player than who the backup QB is . 

I think he's talking to Brian Winters.  Winters is guaranteed $7,000,000 next year, he's safe

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