Pac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 and one more thing... the apes play was borderline tragic.. he offered to be a martyr on day 2 over and over again. had a townie hammered him or a power role killed him with a poon' it would have been disastrous. By then we knew there was a bomb and weren't going anywhere near a hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 we were Ninjas who's actions were NOT hidden and who if investigated it would show as "failed" -- which around these parts is as good as guilty. this was after our role PM's said investigations would not work on us. That's why I was so loud up front.. figured why not get looked at and cleared early. Instead Ishy was told it failed. meh... I suppose I should have asked exactly what an investigator would be told but I assumed it was pretty straightforward. If you had killed one or 2 of us early our scum team could have been obliterated in 3 game days. Well, I'll stand by what I did but without the whole Ape harpooning SMC I was picking Leelou, then Verb fwiw. Might have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yes, with many of them rendered useless by scum being all ninja's right? wrong. being ninjas meant nothing.. at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 yeah we pretty much stood no chance but was fun.... thanks Ridiculous...the mafia was as roled up as the town. You just had to get together and use the roles to their max benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Ridiculous...the mafia was as roled up as the town. You just had to get together and use the roles to their max benefit. I like you so I wouldn't punch you in the face if we met... but I might elbow you in the gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 For sh*ts and giggles... *I thought Wombat was for sure a Bomb start of D2 (I think it was) when he was going on about knowing who the 3rd party/shark was. *Then I though JVOR was in the middle somewhere right before his reveal *Then I thought Smash was when he revealed Tracker *Also thought AVM when Pac was lynched and revealed his RC results *Ape, was wifom'ing it most of the game, but it was so obvious I thought it could have been a fake wifom sorta thing. He actually played so bad it worked *I figured there was a Scum and Town Bomb...maybe even more so anyone who even wifom'ed made me hesitate. Yeah, the result of coming into the game planning to die D1 and then having to have to keep adjusting what I wanted to do as a result of some bad luck/timing with regards to when people revealed and when I was online. If I wasn't in a complete haze when the game started I probably would have claimed LD on D1, even then though you might not have bit. Oh well, I don't do well with roles where I need to get killed... I spend so much energy in these games trying to devise ways to stay alive, it's a real change of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 NVmind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 wrong. being ninjas meant nothing.. at all. Just saw your explanation. I assumed that's how ninja worked, guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yeah, the result of coming into the game planning to die D1 and then having to have to keep adjusting what I wanted to do as a result of some bad luck/timing with regards to when people revealed and when I was online. If I wasn't in a complete haze when the game started I probably would have claimed LD on D1, even then though you might not have bit. Oh well, I don't do well with roles where I need to get killed... I spend so much energy in these games trying to devise ways to stay alive, it's a real change of pace. Yeah you also get a big mulligan with all you were going through at the time of this imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 and one more thing... the apes play was borderline tragic.. he offered to be a martyr on day 2 over and over again. had a townie hammered him or a power role killed him with a poon' it would have been disastrous. By then we knew there was a bomb and weren't going anywhere near a hammer. Yeah, I figured there were 2 outcomes there. I get myself killed and oh well, or I get myself into that "assumed townie" space in everyone's mind that Hess would eat me just to eliminate me. But then everyone ****ing revealed their power roles. Hahaha... like I said, the only value I brought was probably lulz for some of you, and the logic to argue against the push to lynch Hess or waste all the harpoons on him before all the scum started dying. Otherwise, just a bad game. Hopefully my next role allows me to focus more on how to take good reads on scum and turn them into lynches on scum, and none of this get myself killed sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yeah you also get a big mulligan with all you were going through at the time of this imo. Well, I appreciate that, but I still wish I could have helped more. Either way, glad I stuck it out. It was a fun one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like you so I wouldn't punch you in the face if we met... but I might elbow you in the gut. Sounds like butthurt. You being a sore loser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 wrong. being ninjas meant nothing.. at all. I keep trying to explain this: not every aspect of every role is designed to benefit the user. You have to think about what you are doing and use it to your advantage. Being a ninja is a cover, no matter what. And you are discounting the other instances in which an investigator would get a similar "no results" reading - like if they were roleblocked. You have to think outside of the box a little - the game is designed to max out your creativity. Alternatively, if the Ninja role was like a Godfather role, and read "town" every time, that would have been way overloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Actually reading the scum thread... looks like inheriting JIF was the real cause for their demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 I like you so I wouldn't punch you in the face if we met... but I might elbow you in the gut. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I disagree, Ape. Any time Pac and I are on a scum team, it's an uphill battle. We both get a lot of votes, normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You are completely ignoring the psychological impact of any role, and the possible outcomes of all roles. That's a bunch of bull. bomb - No uncc'd bomb would ever get lynched with 4859594393 backup bombs in the game. Automatic clear or mafia/shark kill. rolestopper - Way more than countering the roleblocker. It blocks kills too. fisherman - like I said. Swingy. Mrs. Crustacean - Even if the clear kills a town that is basically an extra lynch Cop - no inherent downside Watcher - Will only report people who visit the dead. High odds of catching scum, especially considering townies will probably have vettable claims. Tracker - See above Sensor - How is knowing the exact number or mafia on a lynch misleading? Lie Detector - Plenty of obvious calls in every game. Doc - no inherent downside Weak Doc - Any weak doc who takes a chance before things get dire deserves what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 ... and that's why I usually don't read the scum thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Pretty sure I ate like 4 or 5 town power roles for you. It was like the reverse of Pac killing all the SKs in the Dexter game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I disagree, Ape. Any time Pac and I are on a scum team, it's an uphill battle. We both get a lot of votes, normally. I'm sorry Lily, what do you disagree with? My comment about JIF being your demise? That was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 LOL, yeah it was definitely a moral dilemma. But I'm glad I chose our e-friendship . It was close though. Both roads would have brought the lulz but I was actually like, picturing you quitting mafia forever at the time. LOL. Good job and you did the righ thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 That's a bunch of bull. bomb - No uncc'd bomb would ever get lynched with 4859594393 backup bombs in the game. Automatic clear or mafia/shark kill. rolestopper - Way more than countering the roleblocker. It blocks kills too. fisherman - like I said. Swingy. Mrs. Crustacean - Even if the clear kills a town that is basically an extra lynch Cop - no inherent downside Watcher - Will only report people who visit the dead. High odds of catching scum, especially considering townies will probably have vettable claims. Tracker - See above Sensor - How is knowing the exact number or mafia on a lynch misleading? Lie Detector - Plenty of obvious calls in every game. Doc - no inherent downside Weak Doc - Any weak doc who takes a chance before things get dire deserves what they get. Between the vitriol in the scum thread, in-game and now this butthurt argument with DPR... me thinks Wombat might be next for teh emo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 FWIW DPR gave us a great game lots of roles and the Shark ate almost all of them I dont think mafia played particularly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 That's a bunch of bull. bomb - No uncc'd bomb would ever get lynched with 4859594393 backup bombs in the game. Automatic mafia/shark kill. ONLY ONE BOMB WAS ACTIVE AT A TIME, WHICH MULTIPLE PEOPLE SURMISED. rolestopper - Way more than countering the roleblocker. It blocks kills too. COULD ALSO EASILY MISS. IT PREVENTS NA'S FROM GOING THROUGH - THAT INCLUDES PROTECTIONS. DUM DUM. fisherman - like I said. Swingy. CUSTOM - ADMIT THAT HARPOONS KILLED TOWN MEMBERS, INCLUDING QUINT. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR THE TOWN? Mrs. Crustacean - Even if the clear kills a town that is basically an extra lynch - SEE ABOVE. Cop - no inherent downside NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. Watcher - Will only report people who visit the dead. High odds of catching scum, especially considering townies will probably have vettable claims. A WATCHER SEE WHOEVER TARGETED A PLAYER - DEAD DOESN'T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH IT. Tracker - See above SEE ABOVE Sensor - How is knowing the exact number or mafia on a lynch misleading? BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THEY ARE MAFIA. HOW MANY LYNCHES SHOW THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AND OVER? HOW MANY MAFIA JUMP ON EVERY TOWN LYNCH? YOU'RE JUST BEING PIG-HEADED NOW. Lie Detector - Plenty of obvious calls in every game. MOD IT AND TELL ME HOW CONVOLUTED IT GETS. IT'S A STICKY, STICKY ROLE THAT IS AS MISLEADING AS IT IS OBVIOUS. Doc - no inherent downside MEH Weak Doc - Any weak doc who takes a chance before things get dire deserves what they get. THIS COMPLETELY NEGATES YOUR POINT. You are cemented to a way of thinking that is, simply put, incorrect. It's why i just handed you your ass by vig killing you in the alt game. Silly Wombat... You clowns complain about the Ninja role and you didn't even use your Roleblocker on N2 because you're not paying attention or you are falling into the rut of playing the same game over and over. Get over yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I'm sorry Lily, what do you disagree with? My comment about JIF being your demise? That was a joke. Oh, sorry. I took it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 FWIW DPR gave us a great game lots of roles and the Shark ate almost all of them I dont think mafia played particularly well. I was shocked that they went all-in on the "use the harpoons on Hess" and then "lynch Hess" plans. When SMC diverted the train on Wombat to a new train on Hess I was like WTF, didn't we try lynching Hess earlier in the game and it failed? Saw Lily dead, and it was 80 or SMC. I chose SMC because I felt he would be the harder lynch of the two, haha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Oh, sorry. I took it seriously. No. Most everything I saw about or towards JIF is a joke - just like to see him act out. Holy sh*t... here is what shows up first in google when you type in "faggy animated gif" I sh*t you not. Google achieves perfection. Batman - check. Surfing - check. Flailing arms like a mo - check. Turns to give up the ass - check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Wow. That was a risky thing to type into google image, in hindsight. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You are cemented to a way of thinking that is, simply put, incorrect. It's why i just handed you your ass by vig killing you in the alt game. Silly Wombat... You clowns complain about the Ninja role and you didn't even use your Roleblocker on N2 because you're not paying attention or you are falling into the rut of playing the same game over and over. Get over yourselves. Dude.. you messed up a bit. It's ok. I made a mistake once back in 94'. We've all been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 DPR, maybe you expected us to be smarter than we are. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 bomb - What's your point? One bomb is more than enough at one time. rolestopper - What are you talking about? It prevents both protections and kills from going through and is therefore a de facto protection fisherman - EXTRA LYNCHES Mrs. Crustacean - EXTRA LYNCHES Cop - I have no problem with the Cop role in an of itself. I do have a problem with it being combo'd with 10 other power roles in a game with less than 30 players. Watcher - Death has a lot to do with it. Any Watcher who outs the visits to a living target who has not claimed some sort of negative effect on themselves is jumping the gun. Tracker - See above Sensor - Doesn't matter. With multiple days of results, you can start using simple logic to find clears and scum. Lie Detector - I am never going to mod this role unless I make it insane just to **** with people. It is the worst role in the history of mafia. Doc - See Cop Weak Doc - How does that negate my point? I expect roles to be used in a manner that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 You are cemented to a way of thinking that is, simply put, incorrect. It's why i just handed you your ass by vig killing you in the alt game. Silly Wombat... You clowns complain about the Ninja role and you didn't even use your Roleblocker on N2 because you're not paying attention or you are falling into the rut of playing the same game over and over. Get over yourselves. Your need to bring in extraneous facts and Appeals to Emotion just show how untenable your stance is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 FWIW DPR gave us a great game lots of roles and the Shark ate almost all of them I dont think mafia played particularly well. We didn't. That being said, neither did the vast majority of the town. This game should have been close. It wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Town - Protection - Doc, Weak Doc, whatever JC was, vests, vests, and more vests. Investigation - Cop, Watcher, Tracker, LD... L D, whatever Leelou was. Scum fake ninjas, roleblocker, rolecop, janitor, and Sharrows 3 posts the first week of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 bomb - free mafia/Jaws kill in exchange for an otherwise vanilla townie Not a guaranteed kill though Let's say Ape had claimed No one would have ever killed him and given the streak he was on early game that could have been a disaster for the town lol It would also have kept the rest of us backup bombs vanilla rolestopper - doc/semi-framer - take that trade any day Give you that one fisherman - definite downside but really swingy; didn't end up hurting town much at all This is one of those roles that defines the game and is defined by how the person plays it It ended up being good for town because SMC made good decisions on who to trust with what and those people lived up to those expectations for the most part Mrs. Crustacean - Zero downside when giving harpoons to clears What if there were no clears? Cop - no inherent downside Watcher - no inherent downside Tracker - no inherent downside Granted Although unless I'm misunderstanding how DPR used "Ninja" the Watcher and Tracker could not find scum Sensor - can't catch shark but OP against mafia Granted I don't think this role have been in the game tbh Feels a little weird with the scum being persons of power in the town Who exactly is monitoring them? Lie Detector - always OP (I hate this role so much) Kind of agree It's not SO bad in big games but if I ever use it again it will come with some kind of downside Or at least be X shot and not unlimited Doc - no inherent downside Protecting the bomb maybe? Depends on how DPR would handle that Weak Doc - very little downside given self-protection (either self-protect or protect a clear) True All in all I think it stings more because you were on the losing side I think scum should have had one more member or maybe their own doc to protect themselves from all the potential killing roles out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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