Jets 2013 Mock Draft and Analysis

[unbanmadmike1]

Adding solid starters at 4 positions would do more to make the Jets a competitive team than resigning revis would. 

[SenorGato]

Where is his success without Andy Reid who has a good offence no matter who his OC is?

 

1997 49ers: 5th in scoring (passers complete 64.4% of their passes)

1998 49ers: 3rd in scoring (passers complete 62% of their passes)

2000 49ers: 6th in scoring (passers complete 63% of their passes)

 

That was as an OC...not as a HC, as he was with the Lions.

 

If you can go ahead and point me to the times he failed as an OC...I'll spot you 1999 when the 49ers finished 22nd in scoring and put up a sub-60 completion%. 

[SenorGato]

Adding solid starters at 4 positions would do more to make the Jets a competitive team than resigning revis would. 

 

Good luck paying 4 solid starters solid starter money with 12-16 million. 

 

Drafting 4 solid starters and paying draft price while keeping Revis would do infinitely more than looking for a handful of 2 million dollar players to build The Future around. 

[unbanmadmike1]

1997 49ers: 5th in scoring (passers complete 64.4% of their passes)

1998 49ers: 3rd in scoring (passers complete 62% of their passes)

2000 49ers: 6th in scoring (passers complete 63% of their passes)

 

That was as an OC...not as a HC, as he was with the Lions.

 

If you can go ahead and point me to the times he failed as an OC...I'll spot you 1999 when the 49ers finished 22nd in scoring and put up a sub-60 completion%. 

All he needs is a Hall of Fame QB throwing to 2 HOF WR's!!!! Easy right?

[unbanmadmike1]

Good luck paying 4 solid starters solid starter money with 12-16 million. 

 

Drafting 4 solid starters and paying draft price while keeping Revis would do infinitely more than looking for a handful of 2 million dollar players to build The Future around. 

That isn't happening though. You're denying reality. 

[T0mShane]

Ideas that make sense to T0m:

We use that 12-16 million dollars on landing 2-3 non-elite players. That is more worth than 1 elite player.

Response to that idea that somehow baffles him:

Lolwut?

I majored in English Literature. I spent a decade deconstructing the great works, from Ovid to Shakespeare, to Melville and Faulkner to Hemingway. I've read Derrida, Lacan, Foucault. I've been trained to distill the metatextual from the textual, if you will. None of those skills or all of those hours of study enabled me to derive a consciously-constructed point of argument from what you wrote above.

[SenorGato]

All he needs is a Hall of Fame QB throwing to 2 HOF WR's!!!! Easy right?

 

It's not the players, it's the system. Mornhinweg was obviously planning, designing, and calling the correct plays. He then went on to boost Mike Vick's general efficiency as a starter for Philly, though you've already stated why that doesn't count.

 

So basically, as is standard procedure, the only point in his career where he had any kind of impact on what happened is when he failed. It's the saaaaaaaaaaame fuuuuuuuuucking buuuuuuullllllshiiiiiit allllll the tiiiiiiime here. 

 

 

That isn't happening though. You're denying reality. 

 

 

 

Rotfl, but 4 solid starters with Revis' money is reality? At what point does the nonsense stop? 

[SenorGato]

I majored in English Literature. I spent a decade deconstructing the great works, from Ovid to Shakespeare, to Melville and Faulkner to Hemingway. I've read Derrida, Lacan, Foucault. I've been trained to distill the metatextual from the textual, if you will. None of those skills or all of those hours of study enabled me to derive a consciously-constructed point of argument from what you wrote above.

 

I'm sorry to hear that. I can't say that I'm surprised it came to no use, but it's cute in a bunny way to read that you used the word skills there. 

 

OTOH what a renaissance man...Totally not a Madden GM...psychologist...Scientist...Mathematician...literature scholar...scout...movie critic....

[unbanmadmike1]

It's not the players, it's the system. 

LOL @ this. 

[T0mShane]

I'm sorry to hear that. I can't say that I'm surprised it came to no use, but it's cute in a bunny way to read that you used the word skills there.

OTOH what a renaissance man...Totally not a Madden GM...psychologist...Scientist...Mathematician...literature scholar...scout...movie critic....

It lends itself to a very complex, highly-charismatic and stimulating persona that people gravitate toward. Sometimes it's a burden, but what can you do?

[HessStation]

They've found more coherent posts written in blood and feces on the walls of 18th century insane asylums.

LOL

[slats]

Rotfl, but 4 solid starters with Revis' money is reality? At what point does the nonsense stop? 

It's perfectly reasonable to believe the Jets could get four (not all-pro, but) solid starters with $12-16M/year. Maybe not QBs and WRs, but certainly safeties, guards, TEs, etc.

[SenorGato]

It's perfectly reasonable to believe the Jets could get four (not all-pro, but) solid starters with $12-16M/year. Maybe not QBs and WRs, but certainly safeties, guards, TEs, etc.

So things this draft has for a fraction of the cost? Aren't those non-impact positions anyway? What level of quality for those positions are we talking here anyway? A good young safety like Antrel Rolle in FA is costing 9 against the cap in year three. The rumor on LeVitre is 8 million and Nicks landed double digits last year. So two FAs, one costing 1/2 to 1/3 of the other? Yay?

Damien Woody on his third contract was at ~5 million a year, almost 1/3 to 1/2 of the Revis range. The Jets could sign that player, if he actually existed in FA, now if they wanted and still keep Revis.

[slats]

So things this draft has for a fraction of the cost? Aren't those non-impact positions anyway? What level of quality for those positions are we talking here anyway? A good young safety like Antrel Rolle in FA is costing 9 against the cap in year three. The rumor on LeVitre is 8 million and Nicks landed double digits last year. So two FAs? Yay?

Damien Woody on his third contract was at ~5 million a year, almost 1/3 to 1/2 of the Revis range. The Jets could sign that player, if he actually existed in FA, now if they wanted and still keep Revis.

The Jets financial structure is a disaster. They have no depth. They need inexpensive FAs and draft picks to restock the roster. Moving Revis provides funds for those FAs, as well as additional draft picks. It's a move that makes sense. Especially if they've spoken to Revis' people, and determined that getting a realistic long term deal done is unlikely.

[SenorGato]

The financial structure is a disaster by panicky JN standards. It's fine in a year with the obvious cuts, and even better if Dipsh*t or a draft pick stepped up under the new Designs, Plans, and Calls of the WCO. Resigning Revis doesn't take away the ability to make draft picks or sign penny on the dollar FAs.

This whole "if Revis is reasonable" thing is legit, sure. OTOH, the only rumors that he's been unreasonable through this continues to be what you guys choose to insist on recycling as his most current demands.

Moving Cromartie does the same thing moving Revis does. The only difference is that Revis is waaaaaaaay better when on the field.

[slats]

The financial structure is a disaster by panicky JN standards. It's fine in a year with the obvious cuts, and even better if Dipsh*t or a draft pick stepped up under the new Designs, Plans, and Calls of the WCO. Resigning Revis doesn't take away the ability to make draft picks or sign penny on the dollar FAs.

The financial structure is a disaster by Mike Westoff's standards, and why he couldn't field a decent unit last year.

The Jets are currently right up against the cap, and resigning Revis is unlikely to free up any room. It's more likely to result in even further gutting of an already top-heavy roster.

This whole "if Revis is reasonable" thing is legit, sure. OTOH, the only rumors that he's been unreasonable through this continues to be what you guys choose to insist on recycling as his most current demands.

Moving Cromartie does the same thing moving Revis does. The only difference is that Revis is waaaaaaaay better when on the field.

Moving Cromartie does not do the same thing as moving Revis. It doesn't free up as much cap room, it doesn't bring back as much in draft picks, and it doesn't eliminate the headache of impossible negotiations that could possibly (will certainly) result in another holdout down the road.

I'd hope that Idzik has at least talked to Revis and his entourage before seriously shopping him. We may only have rumors to go by, but he should have something more concrete.

[SenorGato]

Oh come the hell on...the financial disaster is defined by the lack of ST players? Half those guys were 15 last season in the first place.

The NFL is a league where your current financial state can change in seconds. By next year Harris, Sanchez, Holmes, Pouha, and Cromartie can all be let go for significant cap savings. Cheap FAs aren't jumping up in price because Revis is here.

The Jets save more money dealing Cromartie This year than Revis. This is the reality version and not the theoretical version based on three year old demands. As important as intangibles now are due to convenience, the "headache" of negotiating with a superstar is one I gladly can live with. I'm not trying to build the friendliest, easiest to handle, most cost effective roster because talent trumps that every single time.

[T0mShane]

Seconds, slats. Seconds.

[slats]

Oh come the hell on...the financial disaster is defined by the lack of ST players? Half those guys were 15 last season in the first place.

It's an example of the problem, yes. Lack of quality depth, lack of special teams specialists. The Jets were crippled last year by injuries to Keller and Holmes.

The NFL is a league where your current financial state can change in seconds. By next year Harris, Sanchez, Holmes, Pouha, and Cromartie can all be let go for significant cap savings. Cheap FAs aren't jumping up in price because Revis is here.

FYI, there are 31,536,000 seconds in a year. Is that what you meant by seconds?

The Jets have almost no cap room to sign free agents this year right now. Signing Revis would not only decrease that room, but probably result in cutting other players, or extending other deals that infringe on next year's cap room to accommodate it.

The Jets save more money dealing Cromartie This year than Revis. This is the reality version and not the theoretical version based on three year old demands. As important as intangibles now are due to convenience, the "headache" of negotiating with a superstar is one I gladly can live with. I'm not trying to build the friendliest, easiest to handle, most cost effective roster because talent trumps that every single time.

Trade Cromartie instead is based more in fiction than Revis' theoretical contract demands.

Dealing with Revis has not been typical dealing with a superstar type dealings. They've been vastly more difficult. Tannenbaum had to add phantom years to Revis' contract that will add $3M/year against the cap for the next four years to any new deal he might sign - that he may or may not wind up honoring. I don't know what kind of tricks Idzik will have to put in there to get Revis to stick to his deal.

[bitonti]

*Quinn

 

Brady Quinn is the guy you bring in when you absolutely positively have to tank the season and pick #1 in 2014. Accept no substitutes. 

[SenorGato]

1) Quality depth isn't a Revis sized problem. Nobody trades an elite in his prime to solve the depth problem, especially on a team that has people whining about giving away depth area draft picks.

2) Trading Cromartie saves the Jets money this year and obviously next year. Trading Revis costs the team precious cap space this year and their best player. Many support dealing him for pennies on the dollar on top of that. It's less of a myth than you're selling; though I'll go ahead and say 16 million isnt a myth so much as it is very old.

4) Almost having no cap room to sign FAs is why they will go after cheap FAs either way. Having Revis doesn't raise their price but it does make the margins those bargain basement FAs push a whole lot more relevant to winning.

5. I once again cannot emphasize enough how little I care that Revis is a tough negotiation. This league is as scummy as it gets in pro sports towards the players, teams NEVER honor the full value of a contract, and Revis is just making sure he's not as easily ****ed as every other player has always been. Nothing said yet has changed my mind on any of this stuff.

[slats]

Who's trading for Cromartie, and what are they giving the Jets for him?

How much do you think it will take for Revis to sign actually play?

I'm the biggest proponent on this board of Revis sticking it to whatever NFL owner he's working for, so you don't have to sell me on that point. But I'd have to imagine that if I was in charge of the Jets front office, I might feel a little bit differently.

[SenorGato]

The same teams that would want Revis? The 49ers would suddenly not need a CB? The Steelers? The suddenly garbage price for Revis - 2013 2nd or 3rd - suddenly seems much closer to fair when it's not for the elite guy in his prime. Who is trading for Revis with worthwhile comp that those questions were suddenly relevant for Cromartie?

I'm not guessing on the Revis contract but it isn't 16 million a year like you and others continue to insist he is currently demanding.

If I'm in charge of the Jets FO I'm looking at every single factor over the foreseeable future and noticing that this "Revis is too expensive" thing is less based in reality that most believe right now. Just forecasting the cap one year, and it will go up from 123 if even just slightly, there's plenty of room to fit Revis and several starter level talents in there.

Do you really buy that the Jets 100% can't have him at his 2013 salary with an extension that delivers the payload from 2014-2016? If you do, why should I buy it? Because he's been a tough negotiation according to the headlines that lose value when speculating on anything else for JN? Revis would be sooooo against that because he's just a meany poo boy bullying my friends Idzik and Johnson? Even if the garaunteed money is there in 2014-2016?

[SenorGato]

Anyone willing to put up the list of prime aged elite players who left bad teams? Any of those teams and GMs live to tell the tale after a couple years? The player should be of a similar quality to Revis...so a ~top ten player in the league.

[T0mShane]

I say we just let Gato negotiate with Revis' agents. Clearly, he's got the 411.

[stoicsentry]

Hey good job on the mock.

 

Question about this part:

 

Defensively:  They have to replace two outside linebackers,
corner and likely a safety, not to mention add a pass rusher off the
edge to help solidify a young talented defensive line.

 

They only have to add a corner if they trade Revis.

 

Why do you suggest that they need a pass-rushing defensive end? They have Wilkerson and Coples at defensive end. Pass rushers or not, those are your guys. Also with Pouha, Ellis and possibly DeVito coming back there is a lot of depth to move around that line.

[SenorGato]

I say we just let Gato negotiate with Revis' agents. Clearly, he's got the 411.

 

Sucks that you got the job. Walking in screaming "WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU 16 MILLION BRO(!)" before an actual conversation with up to date demands did nothing for anyone. 

[T0mShane]

Sucks that you got the job. Walking in screaming "WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU 16 MILLION BRO(!)" before an actual conversation with up to date demands did nothing for anyone.

Sucks that you got the job. Walking in screaming "WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU 16 MILLION BRO(!)" before an actual conversation with up to date demands did nothing for anyone.

GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE:

John Idzik will ask Revis's agents what they're expecting in a contract prior to any trade.

[SenorGato]

GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE:

John Idzik will ask Revis's agents what they're expecting in a contract prior to any trade.

 

Nah, they KNOW already bro. 16 million. I heard from top insiders on a message board. Woody said he won't pay. Remember? These all broke here first. Snap back to reality T0m. 

[T0mShane]

Nah, they KNOW already bro. 16 million. I heard from top insiders on a message board. Woody said he won't pay. Remember? These all broke here first. Snap back to reality T0m.

NAH BRAH IT'S PROLLY SIX MILLY EVERYONE IS SO DUMMMMMMM

[Gastineau Lives]

Jumping from number 2 to number 1 in pass defense is not worth 16 million dollars.

[SenorGato]

NAH BRAH IT'S PROLLY SIX MILLY EVERYONE IS SO DUMMMMMMM

 

Lol this might be relevant if I actually say that. See, I can find the posts where it's insisted that 16 million is what he demands. I can find the posts with your ilk saying Woody said he won't pay. You and your ilk are the ones claiming insider knowledge. G'luck finding my post where the Jets (and my bestest friend Woody Johnson) are paying Revis 6 million through the extension. 

 

Lol literally the poster after you:

 

 

 

Jumping from number 2 to number 1 in pass defense is not worth 16 million dollars.

 

 

 

What's he basing his "analysis" on? He doesn't really know, but he read T0m and Friends say it so it must be true! It's disgusting, propaganda-ish gaaaaaaaaaaaarbage. 

[dbatesman]

ILK

[HessStation]

IRK