flgreen Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Sunday notes: Idzik's first two blemishes May, 19, 2013 May 19 5:00 AM ET By Rich Cimini | ESPNNewYork.com A quick check on the Jets: 1. Double trouble: John Idzik has a solid plan for rebuilding the Jets, but the plan isn't foolproof, as we now know. The new GM endured an Ike Davis kind of week, as he apparently has swung and missed on his first two free-agent signings -- QB David Garrard (retired) and RB Mike Goodson (arrested). Fortunately for the Jets, they weren't huge financial commitments, but that doesn't mean Idzik gets a pass. In both cases, he took a calculated risk -- and came up short. The 50 Greatest Jets Drawn from more than five decades of history, ESPN New York presents its 50 Greatest Jets. Top 50 Photo Gallery Rank 'Em The idea of signing a player of Garrard's ilk was smart, but they bet on damaged goods. He spent two years out of football and his knee problems were widely known. An AFC personnel executive told me at the time of the signing, "His knee is a concern. He'll look fine in drills, but I don't know if he can take a hit." Turns out that Garrard, 35, couldn't cut it in drills, either, prompting his abrupt retirement. Now there's a hole in Idzik's quarterback plan. Goodson arrived with character concerns. There was nothing major on his record, but he bounced from the Panthers to the Raiders before becoming a free agent, and it always raises suspicions when a player with raw talent is on the move. The questions centered on his attitude and personal issues, a league source said. The Jets took a chance, betting on his upside with a three-year, $6.9 million contract. Now his future with the team is a major question mark after Friday's arrest on drug and weapon charges. An opposing scout, familiar with Goodson's background, said of the Jets: "Do these guys do background checks?" They do, but there's risk with virtually every acquisition. Idzik assessed risk versus reward, arrived at a value and pulled the trigger for Goodson and Garrard. If you're a Jets fan, you hope these were only two blips on the screen and not indicative of Idzik's evaluation skills. 2. How 'bout a refund?: It'll be interesting to see how Idzik handles the Goodson situation. He cut the two nobodies arrested recently for possession of marijuana, Claude Davis and Cliff Harris, both of whom were signed by the previous administration. But that doesn't mean he will take the same approach with Goodson, whose contract includes a $1 million signing bonus. The bonus is divided into payouts, and I'm told he has yet to receive the full amount; he has pocketed at least $500,000. If Idzik tries to send a message and decides to cut him before the legal process plays out, it would be harder to recoup the money, according to a source. He'll have a better chance if he waits for the courts (and the league) to rule on the matter. 3. Wounded knee: Garrard missed some workouts early in the off-season program, a source said, fueling speculation in the locker room that he wasn't right, physically. In recent practices, he was sharp on his short throws, I'm told, but he labored on longer routes because he couldn't drive the ball, probably because of his balky knee. As a result, he bounced some passes. Maybe Garrard read the handwriting on the wall, seeing Mark Sanchez and rookie Geno Smith make throws he no longer could complete. Before the knee complications, the organization felt Garrard had a decent chance of emerging as the starter until Smith was ready. Mark Sanchez Mark Sanchez #6 QB New York Jets 2012 STATS Att453 Comp246 Yds2883 TD13 Int18 Rat66.9 4. A cool Brees: For those wondering if Sanchez still can get his career turned around, we bring you the story of Drew Brees, who received a second chance with the Chargers because of the actions of another quarterback on the roster. Brees played poorly in his third season (2-9 record, 67.5 passer rating), prompting the Chargers to draft Philip Rivers in 2004. Rivers would've started as a rookie, but he derailed his chances with a long holdout. They had no choice but to stick with Brees, who responded with his first Brees-like season. Sometimes athletes need to see the end before they can create a new beginning. Can Sanchez capitalize on his break (Garrard's retirement) in the same fashion? Food for thought. 5. The dilemma: The Jets are billing it as a fair and open competition, but is it really? Make no mistake, Smith is the preferred candidate. If he proves capable of running the offense, he'll be the Week 1 starter. But would that be the wise move? Not every rookie turns into Russell Wilson, you know. Considering the dearth of skill-position talent on offense, Smith probably would struggle . Unless he's Robert Griffin III, he could get swallowed up by the enormity of the challenge, perhaps at the expense of his psyche. The right thing to do, based on what we know now, would be to start Sanchez and make him the sacrificial lamb for a few weeks. But for this organization, which is suffering from Sanchez fatigue, there could be a temptation to ignore the right thing and do what feels right, which would mean starting fresh with Smith. Mark my words, this will become an internal debate if the competition is close. 5.a. Geno's pinnacle: This is what a longtime GM told me last week about Smith: "When I saw him against Texas [25-for-35, 268 yards, four TD passes], I said to myself, 'There's the No. 1 pick in the draft.' That's what he looked like. As the season went on, though, he never had any bring-back moments. He was a lot closer to ordinary." West Virginia lost five straight after the Texas win, dropping to 5-5. 6. All the king's men ... gone: When Rex Ryan was interviewed for the head-coaching vacancy in January, 2009, he met with four team officials -- owner Woody Johnson, GM Mike Tannenbaum, assistant GM Scott Cohen and scouting chief Joey Clinkscales. Don't look now, but three-quarters of that room is gone. Cohen became the latest casualty of the administration change, as his expiring contract wasn't renewed. Clinkscales left a year ago for the Raiders and Tannenbaum, of course, was fired. Idzik might have an understated personality, but he has made it abundantly clear he's no wallflower when it comes to moving and shaking. He gutted the roster and gutted the front office, as he attempts to surround himself with his people. Ryan can't feel too comfortable. I have no reason to doubt Idzik's sincerity when he says nice things about Ryan, but the law of the NFL jungle usually prevails in these situations. GMs want to hand-pick their coach. Ryan needs a miracle season to save his job. 7. Survivor: One holdover expected to survive the purge is senior personnel executive Terry Bradway, who served as GM from 2001 to 2005 before slipping into a background role. It's unclear, however, if his role will change. Idzik will hire former Cards GM Rod Graves for a front-office position, CBS Sports reported. They worked together in Arizona. There was buzz in the scouting community that Idzik was interested in ex-Seahawks personnel director Will Lewis, another former colleague, but he was hired by the Chiefs. The Jets have at least three front-office positions to fill. 8. Tebow laughs: Speaking to a church group Friday night in his hometown of Jacksonville, former Jets QB Tim Tebow was asked to name his most memorable moment in 2011, when he led the Broncos to the playoffs. "One of my favorite stories, ironically, was against the Jets," he told the audience, according to the Florida Times-Union -- a reference to his last-minute win in Denver. With excellent timing, he added, "And probably my greatest Jets highlight, I guess." At least he can laugh about it. 9. Money for nothing: Between Garrard and Drew Stanton (remember him?), the Jets spent $600,000 in signing bonuses for quarterbacks that never made it to minicamp. 10. Sloppy seconds: Smith became the fourth quarterback to be drafted in the second round by the Jets. The first three went a combined 12-29 -- Al Woodall (5-14), Browning Nagle (3-10) and Kellen Clemens (4-5). I don't think Woodall fired his agent, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Not reading, I hope Cimini gets hit by a truck. He's a miserable twat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 What a giant douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 this was covered here yesterday dick try to keep up this piece is garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Anyone know a good show I can start watching on Netflix? I need something to do today and I figure making this thread about me being bored is still better than whatever Cimini wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Anyone know a good show I can start watching on Netflix? I need something to do today and I figure making this thread about me being bored is still better than whatever Cimini wrote Two Miike films: 13 Assassins Hara Kiri: Death of a Samurai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Anyone know a good show I can start watching on Netflix? I need something to do today and I figure making this thread about me being bored is still better than whatever Cimini wrote Also watched Season Two of The Walking Dead yesterday. Ten minutes of listening to the survivors discuss their feelings, you find yourself rooting for the zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 LOL Is this going to start already? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/19/idziks-0-for-2-start-has-others-taking-shots-already/ Idzik’s 0-for-2 start has others taking shots already Posted by Darin Gantt on May 19, 2013, 9:50 AM EDT New Jets General Manager John Idzik hasn’t even gotten his team to training camp yet, but folks around the league are already poking at his 0-for-2 start to free agency. Idzik’s first two moves were to sign veteran quarterback David Garrard and running back Mike Goodson. Garrard’s retiring because of a bad knee which the world knew about, and Goodson was arrested on gun and drug charges, pointing to his reputation for poor decision-making and immaturity. “Do these guys do background checks?” an opposing scout said of the Jets’ acquisition of Goodson specifically, via Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com. Signing Garrard was great in theory, but few thought he’d hold up physically for long enough to win the starting job (since the same thing happened in Miami last year). And while Goodson hasn’t pocketed all of the $1 million bonus which was part of his three-year, $6.9 million deal, that’s looking more like a sunk cost as well. It’s not quite the start the Jets were looking out of their new G.M., who better hope some of his other decisions (namely the future of quarterback Geno Smith and how he handles Mark Sanchez) work out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 As to the story, when you buy cheap, you find out why they were cheap, usually, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCJETSFAN Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 What's the solid plan so far we gutted a roster anyone can do that . And we drafted 3 players that have a ceiling of being good players . I think woody is tired of losing money and he isn't going to spend aka bengals so this might be a long time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 He gets suspended for a couple days and this is what he comes back with? Snide comments to be negative and neutral statements to appear positive. The garbage this guy produces deserves a kick in the f#ckin teeth. Filled with "unamed sources" and "opposing league scouts", not to mention he's a plagiarising piece of sh#t. I usually dont slam people here but this dude gets under my skin like no other. CANT WE BOYCOTT THIS sh*tBAG OR SOMETHING? FLOOD HIS INBOX, TWITTER, ESPN CALLING HIM ON HIS BULLsh*t? why cant this doosh be held accountable for a being a piss poor human being, and doing a sh*t job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster2 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 To bad the Jets cannot cut Cimini and Mike from the fan there are so many Jets haters,Garrard sign cheap and the guy got hurt , and Goodson is a idiot , the jets cut the guy today , the guy doing a good job with the Jets with all the cap problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 As to the story, when you buy cheap, you find out why they were cheap, usually, We've been finding this out for years, but hey we got weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 most signings were cheap because they are after comp picks the rebuild starts next year this is the purge year idzik is sticking his fingers down the throat of this bloated circus clowns body actually, if you look at recent history, a key to building a team is to go 2-14 the right year. that's what I'm pulling for tbh because next years draft seems pretty good. the jets will pick 8th of course, but I can dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCJETSFAN Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We have no qb so we need to find one I have my doubts about geno ! And defensively we will not be as good as last yr! I can see a 2 - 14 easy for us! We have not one player on offense or defense that any te has to game plan around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 He gets suspended for a couple days and this is what he comes back with? Snide comments to be negative and neutral statements to appear positive. The garbage this guy produces deserves a kick in the f#ckin teeth. Filled with "unamed sources" and "opposing league scouts", not to mention he's a plagiarising piece of sh#t. I usually dont slam people here but this dude gets under my skin like no other. CANT WE BOYCOTT THIS sh*tBAG OR SOMETHING? FLOOD HIS INBOX, TWITTER, ESPN CALLING HIM ON HIS BULLsh*t? why cant this doosh be held accountable for a being a piss poor human being, and doing a sh*t job? I agree Manish Mehta is standing in the wings waiting for that prized ESPN gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I agree Manish Mehta is standing in the wings waiting for that prized ESPN gig. Blehhhhh, Nevermind...lets keep him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I agree Manish Mehta is standing in the wings waiting for that prized ESPN gig. WAIT! This is exactly what Cimini would say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 What did Cimini write in this article that isn't factual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 WAIT! This is exactly what Cimini would say! That's why I get 7.5% of his gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 We've been finding this out for years, but hey we got weapons Na, we've payed a boat load for mediocrity at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 What did Cimini write in this article that isn't factual? It's usually fact but he's a douche about it. He's a ghetto Mike Francesca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 What did Cimini write in this article that isn't factual? Well, it's opinion, not fact, but this is among the dumber paragraphs any human has ever written: A cool Brees: For those wondering if Sanchez still can get his career turned around, we bring you the story of Drew Brees, who received a second chance with the Chargers because of the actions of another quarterback on the roster. Brees played poorly in his third season (2-9 record, 67.5 passer rating), prompting the Chargers to draft Philip Rivers in 2004. Rivers would've started as a rookie, but he derailed his chances with a long holdout. They had no choice but to stick with Brees, who responded with his first Brees-like season. Sometimes athletes need to see the end before they can create a new beginning. Can Sanchez capitalize on his break (Garrard's retirement) in the same fashion? Food for thought. But it's not so much the lack of facts, it's the little Droopy Dog asides like: If you're a Jets fan, you hope these were only two blips on the screen and not indicative of Idzik's evaluation skills. "Hopefully this was just a one-time thing, and isn't suggestive of the possibility that Idzik will irrevocably screw up the Jets :(" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Is this ******* a$$hole serious? Ok how do we get rid of Cimini? Petition? Pitchforks? Let me know. This article is ******* absurd. I'm sick of reading anything from this scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Is this ******* a$$hole serious? Ok how do we get rid of Cimini? Petition? Pitchforks? Let me know. This article is ******* absurd. I'm sick of reading anything from this scumbag. I've posted 10 times in this thread and still haven't read a word..... I feel like a winner! If we all stop acknowledging him maybe he'll go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm sure Idzik was totally blindsided by Garrard's inability to stay on the field. I'm sure Idzik was counting on him to be healthy all season. I'm sure Idzik gave him a contract that reflected that. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I'm sure Idzik was totally blindsided by Garrard's inability to stay on the field. I'm sure Idzik was counting on him to be healthy all season. I'm sure Idzik gave him a contract that reflected that. Not. You had me going there till that fake out right at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Another gem: An opposing scout, familiar with Goodson's background, said of the Jets: "Do these guys do background checks?" They do THEN WHY EVEN PUT IT IN THE ARTICLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Another gem: THEN WHY EVEN PUT IT IN THE ARTICLE Come on. It's fun reading other teams' personnel anonymously take shots at the Jets. It's great drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Another gem: THEN WHY EVEN PUT IT IN THE ARTICLE "do these guys even do background checks?" Sounds similiar to what I ask after I read his material... "does this guy even have sources?" After the fake @steiny55 twitter debacle...this guys credibility is out the window. Hes the biggest clown in our circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 "do these guys even do background checks?" Sounds similiar to what I ask after I read his material... "does this guy even have sources?" After the fake @steiny55 twitter debacle...this guys credibility is out the window. Hes the biggest clown in our circus. Which member of the Jets media is good? Randy Lange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Come on. It's fun reading other teams' personnel anonymously take shots at the Jets. That's our job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 That's our job. Well, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Lol Rich Cimini...a man Jets fans absolutely love to hate. When's the last time a Cimini piece DIDN'T make it here? We love the guy. Lying about it only makes it worse. Cimini and JetNation sittin in a tree. K-I-s-s-I-n-g! First comes love! Then comes marriage! Then comes a kid! Then comes another kid and a half! Then comes a dog! Then comes divorce! Or sumthin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Which member of the Jets media is good? Randy Lange? Orr, Dyer, and Costello all seem ok. I'm not asking for Woodward and Bernstein. I'm just looking for someone who can report a signing or a draft pick without telling us that sure, this guy has talent, but it'll probably blow up in the Jets' faces like everything else they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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