MexiRoll6 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I'm not denying any of that and I'm not casting any aspersions on Idzik either. I don't see any reason to be in love with what he has done. Any trained monkey would have done the same and he took almost zero risks. I was just inidcating that Milliner seems to have gotten his job without competition. They listed him as a starter as soon as he arrived and he looked bad/was injured for the preseason games and I didn't hear any reports of him doing particularly well in camp. Who is going to compete with him? Kyle Wilson? As if...Milliner was a high first round pick and as such should be expected to play, just as Wilson was until he proved he was substandard and couldn't ever find the football...that is until the opposing player had it in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I'm sure, but you'd think that with all the "earn it" and "competition" chatter they wouldn't be handing a job to a rookie that has barely played due to injury If Sanchez was healthy he'd be the Week 1 starter. No one is going to argue that Geno earned this. As for Matt Simms, he DID win his competition: For the # 3 job, over McElroy. Everyone knows their role in this new regime. I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 It's ok, we're good, this can still be used as evidence that Idzik is already the worst GM of all time because Ivory isn't the starter over a Tanny draft pick. BOOM! Wow, take about a Debbie Downer. Already with the Idzik sucks campaign? I though he had a pretty solid first draft though it takes at least three years to really tell. I would hold out a little while longer before making the Idzik is the worst GM of all time statements. After all look at what he inherited...Rex, a depleted offense with a shell shocked QB, no OC, and a nightmare salary cap situation. Give the man some time dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexiRoll6 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 If Sanchez was healthy he'd be the Week 1 starter. No one is going to argue that Geno earned this. As for Matt Simms, he DID win his competition: For the # 3 job, over McElroy. Everyone knows their role in this new regime. I like that. Geno did NOT earn this, he was forced into it by the idiot Rex who got his starter injured. Sanchez played head and shoulders better than Smith in the per-season and - like you said - WOULD have been named the starter, if only for a short time. Yes, I agree that Simms outplayed McElroy and clearly deserved a spot on the team. I liked Big Mac, but his arm strength and ability to read defenses are less than needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Wow, take about a Debbie Downer. Already with the Idzik sucks campaign? I though he had a pretty solid first draft though it takes at least three years to really tell. I would hold out a little while longer before making the Idzik is the worst GM of all time statements. After all look at what he inherited...Rex, a depleted offense with a shell shocked QB, no OC, and a nightmare salary cap situation. Give the man some time dude. BG was being facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Wow, take about a Debbie Downer. Already with the Idzik sucks campaign? I though he had a pretty solid first draft though it takes at least three years to really tell. I would hold out a little while longer before making the Idzik is the worst GM of all time statements. After all look at what he inherited...Rex, a depleted offense with a shell shocked QB, no OC, and a nightmare salary cap situation. Give the man some time dude. To be clear, that comment was simply meant to openly mock those who have been whining about everything Idzik does since day one. I personally don't even get the hate for Powell as it is, so I have no particular issue with this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Geno did NOT earn this, he was forced into it by the idiot Rex who got his starter injured. Sanchez played head and shoulders better than Smith in the per-season and - like you said - WOULD have been named the starter, if only for a short time. Yes, I agree that Simms outplayed McElroy and clearly deserved a spot on the team. I liked Big Mac, but his arm strength and ability to read defenses are less than needed. Say what now? Sanchez hasn't played head and shoulders better than anyone in his entire NFL career. Sure, Sanchez probably would have been named the starter if not for his injury, but just like Geno, it wouldn't be because he had earned it. If anything, it would have been by default simply because Geno hadn't earned it. This entire preseason Sanchez did nothing but show us all that he's still the same joke he's always been; pick 6s to DL, throws straight to DBs in the endzone, and the inability to even handle a simple snap. The only real difference between their respective preseasons is that Sanchez's mess didn't get as much scrutiny because we're all so used to it from him and it was broken up over multiple weeks. I can get not thinking Geno is ready to start yet, but this recent storyline of acting like Sanchez is at all worth a damn or looked like anything short of crap this preseason is a complete fabrication that was conjured up simply because he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T0mShane Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Johnny Chalkpick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Johnny Chalkpick. Trader Mike > TRAITOR John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Trader Mike > TRAITOR John Johnny Commonwisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 If Sanchez was healthy he'd be the Week 1 starter. No one is going to argue that Geno earned this. As for Matt Simms, he DID win his competition: For the # 3 job, over McElroy. Everyone knows their role in this new regime. I like that. I was talking about Milliner, not Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Johnny Commonwisdom Johnny AppleSTUPID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Your opinion on what to do with regards to Revis is what I was explaining earlier (not to you), that the way everything was handled was not (paraphrasing) "the same thing anyone would have done." Going the route he did led to the negotiation he did which led to the compensation it led to. He didn't walk into an extra top-15 pick for Revis when he took the job. Yeah. I was talking about his cuts, FA moves and cutting Holmes salary. Sort of like the Brady Quinn deal. It was obvious, but smart. He doesn't get huge plus points for it, but it was good cutting him and I don't care if Smith and Simms both get hurt this week, it was still smart. I think that was the obvious way to handle the Revis negotiation, but man he was getting killed in the press and on here for not moving quicker. I'm glad we didn't get played. I give Idzik a B so far, but as Slats says it is really an incomplete. My favorite thing was the draft, but mostly because it seemed he stuck to his board instead of reaching for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 People (GMs) draft & surrender higher picks than a 4th, for busts (or veterans of varying experience) with less upside than Ivory, every year. Powell is starting because Ivory missed too much time. It remains to be seen if he gets more carries or touches even in week 1, let alone for the season. You wouldn't be taking the brave after-the-fact position of "if it works out I'll give limited (if any) credit, but if not I'll blast him like I knew it was stupid all along" would you? I'm in full wait & see mode, but I can see value in trying to find high upside for a player that has shown some at the NFL level (i.e. the game is not too fast for him), and enough experience to throw in game 1 without getting your QB killed by a blitzer. Sure things at RB aren't available for 4th round picks plus fairly cheap + limited-risk contracts. I hope he pans out. If not then you try again. So far he doesn't look too awesome but that was only pre-season and a "smarter" use of the pick (Johnathan Franklin) looks far worse - lazy + slow + no power or burst - while 100% healthy. Why not wait to see how he plays first, after a decent # of carries? Lots of Saints fans were pretty unhappy with the trade. I'm going to make this post assuming that Ivory and Powell are both healthy. If they are, Ivory's missed time is completely meaningless. His physical skills dwarf Powell's and he should be the starter. Period. If we're giving the Jets the benefit of the doubt as being competent (I don't) and they really have judged Ivory to be worse than Powell, it's a bad trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I'm going to make this post assuming that Ivory and Powell are both healthy. If they are, Ivory's missed time is completely meaningless. His physical skills dwarf Powell's and he should be the starter. Period. If we're giving the Jets the benefit of the doubt as being competent (I don't) and they really have judged Ivory to be worse than Powell, it's a bad trade. Pretty sure Ryan said the reason Powell is starting game 1 is due to Ivory missing time. Powell was around for more and therefore earned the nod for week 1. They have made no comments (that I've read) suggesting they think Powell is better or more talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Geno earned nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Trader Mike > TRAITOR John Johnny Commonwisdom Johnny AppleSTUPID How cute. It's like you two have your own special language or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I was talking about Milliner, not Smith. Ahh gotcha. I suppose that's a fair point, though I can't imagine anyone could argue that Kyle Wilson has EARNED the # 2 job with his play. Are we still trying to convert him to safety or is that not happening anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Pretty sure Ryan said the reason Powell is starting game 1 is due to Ivory missing time. Powell was around for more and therefore earned the nod for week 1. They have made no comments (that I've read) suggesting they think Powell is better or more talented. Yea and that rational makes ZERO sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Geno earned nothing Neither did anyone else on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Geno earned nothingAnd that worked so well with Pick 6. Yes, let's hand the job to the rookie who didn't earn it. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Neither did anyone else on the roster.This Simms lad kinda did. You could look it up, it was in all the papers. Open competition and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Yea and that rational makes ZERO sense. It makes perfect sense. Powell showed up in the summer, and Ivory didn't. Powell gets rewarded with the start. Starting =/= playing time, though. If Ivory actually plays like he's more talented than Powell (as opposed to people just saying he is), then he should see a lot of time early, and eventually take the starting job away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 And that worked so well with Pick 6. Yes, let's hand the job to the rookie who didn't earn it. Again. They did that for 4 years... Smith won't have that long a leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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