Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So, after seeing the way Rex has managed garbage QB's, handed to him by 2 incompetent accountant GM's, you are somehow of the mindset that he would handle a HOF'er the same way? Based on what? You think Belichick would be chucking it around with the dodo we've had at QB? 0% chance We don't know what Rex would do with a decent qb, and frankly, I don't want to wait. I wouldn't exactly call Rex a hastener of offensive talent, one that develops it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Shhhh, don't let facts get in the way if the Rex loving agendas around here, they don't like it. Hey slappy, iit also contradicts your statement that brady would've never become Brady under Rex... Belichick had the reigns on Brady at one point too.. You guys have all lost your damn minds if you think Rex wouldn't coach differently with competency at the poisition Geno and Mark have probably combined for the worst 5 season string of Qb'ing this league has seen in 20 years, and you think we should be passing more? Laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 We don't know what Rex would do with a decent qb, and frankly, I don't want to wait. I wouldn't exactly call Rex a hastener of offensive talent, one that develops it. Marty is supposed to resolve that. Instead, we will hire an Offensive minded HC with a shorter resume then the current OC, swap offensive philosophies and take a down grade at DC. Sounds like a winning plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 We don't know what Rex would do with a decent qb, and frankly, I don't want to wait. I wouldn't exactly call Rex a hastener of offensive talent, one that develops it. Great, let's just fire everyone and start over. Nice and easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I love the "facts" argument, it's awesome. First , did the Patriots NOT win the division in 2001? Did Brady not have a 63.9% completion rating on 413 attempts? Did he game manage in 2004 and 2010 when he threw 474 and 492 attempts respectively? (respectively means "separately or individually and in the order already mentioned [used when enumerating two or more items or facts that refer back to a previous statement] - Oxford-- saved you the trouble) Then, Rex doesn't allow for QB development even though he brought in the guy who developed Montana, Steve Young, and had a hand in developing Nick Foles. Did you give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no YOU said Brady became Brady on day 1. ABSOLUTELY FALSE. They relied on Antowain Smith and smart game management by Brady and a strong defense. In 2001 Brady averaged 190 yards passing per game. In his career, he averages 255. In 2001 Brady averaged 6.4 yards/attempt, while in his career he averages 7.7. Brady's typical passes were WR screens and dumps in the fla. he did a great job on those, don't get me wrong. But to say that the Brady in 2011 was the Brady he eventually became is flat wrong. You either weren't watching, or are making things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Marty is supposed to resolve that. Instead, we will hire an Offensive minded HC with a shorter resume then the current OC, swap offensive philosophies and take a down grade at DC. Sounds like a winning plan It could be. Current plan isn't working. Anyway, the decision is cast. Rex is a goner. It is on Idzik now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 YOU said Brady became Brady on day 1. ABSOLUTELY FALSE. They relied on Antowain Smith and smart game management by Brady and a strong defense. In 2001 Brady averaged 190 yards passing per game. In his career, he averages 255. In 2001 Brady averaged 6.4 yards/attempt, while in his career he averages 7.7. Brady's typical passes were WR screens and dumps in teh falt. he did a great job on those, don't get me wrong. But to say that the Brady in 2011 was the Brady he eventually became is flat wrong. You either weren't watching, or are making things up Dude the guy literally flipped a Drew Bledsoe led 5-11 team to 11-5 in one season, took them from no playoffs to 1st in AFCE, and hasn't looked back. If that's not coming out of the gate swinging, I have nothing else to say. I'm sorry he only threw 18 TD's and 420 yards in 14.5 games and didn't drop the bombs we're all used to around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Shhhh, don't let facts get in the way if the Rex loving agendas around here, they don't like it."Drew Bledsoe gives us the best chance to win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 It could be. Current plan isn't working. Anyway, the decision is cast. Rex is a goner. It is on Idzik now. Without a QB, any plan will fail.. particularly one that involves an offensive guy at the conn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Dude the guy literally flipped a Drew Bledsoe led 5-11 team to 11-5 in one season, took them from no playoffs to 1st in AFCE, and hasn't looked back. If that's not coming out of the gate swinging, I have nothing else to say. I'm sorry he only threw 18 TD's and 420 yards in 14.5 games and didn't drop the bombs we're all used to around here. His style of QB play, regardless of record, was not the same day 1, as it is today as you insinuate. He started as a game manager, and then a couple of seasons later they opened it up. it is the same as most qb's. Very few come out year 1 (Marino was one), and just wing it. It is why, QB development is a big deal, and why Rex will not be trusted with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 First off, it is unlikely that Rex would have ever given him a shot over a proven vet, Now one or Rex Ryan's faults is a fear of starting an unproven quarterback? Keep patting yourselves on the back and talking about facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Without a QB, any plan will fail.. particularly one that involves an offensive guy at the conn. Sucks for us then, I guess. Rex is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Brady Having Brady is a big part of the equation no doubt. If Rex had Brady he probably would get seriously injured trying to win the Snoopy Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hey Numb Nuts...5% is considered statistically significant. Leave the statistical analysis to us actuaries please. I thought you could set your limits, for example as the instance you are quoting would be at the 95% confidence interval, but lets say you want to use the 99% confidence interval, wouldnt that then be at the 1% level? Am I wrong? Its been a long time since statistics course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Your entitled, but I don't think you really need much trust in a HC with Manning. He is pretty much his own OC and is so far better than any QB I have ever seen play that he would still be great even with Rex. If you read my posts, I am as anti-Rex as they come as the HC of the Jets, but I do think we have to be objective here. Wow, objectivity? How dare you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share Posted December 23, 2013 His style of QB play, regardless of record, was not the same day 1, as it is today as you insinuate. He started as a game manager, and then a couple of seasons later they opened it up. it is the same as most qb's. Very few come out year 1 (Marino was one), and just wing it. It is why, QB development is a big deal, and why Rex will not be trusted with it So your argument is Belichick did the right thing game managing Brady, Rex did the wrong thing game managing Sanchez/Geno. Want to give you points for consistency but I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacked4JetsFB Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Dude the guy literally flipped a Drew Bledsoe led 5-11 team to 11-5 in one season, took them from no playoffs to 1st in AFCE, and hasn't looked back. If that's not coming out of the gate swinging, I have nothing else to say. I'm sorry he only threw 18 TD's and 420 yards in 14.5 games and didn't drop the bombs we're all used to around here. Wow, Brady was the ONLY change on the 5-11 to 11-5 team? I did not know that, thanks for clearing that up for me. I also remember Beldsoe having a pretty damn good game in the playoffs when wonder rookie was hurt, how the hell did that happen with that 5-11 team that Brady single handedly fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So, after seeing the way Rex has managed garbage QB's, handed to him by 2 incompetent accountant GM's, you are somehow of the mindset that he would handle a HOF'er the same way? Based on what? You think Belichick would be chucking it around with the dodo we've had at QB? 0% chance Ahhh, but are they garbage (which I actually do believe) or are they actually serviceable QB's who have been handcuffed by Rex and his "offensive systems"? Probably a bit of both, But back to Bellichick. When, he inserted BRADY after Mo blasted Bledsoe, was he a first ballot HOF? Hell, most of the NFL, and fans went WHO? and said, "oh Bledsoe will be back as soon as healthy. BUT NO, Bellichick DEVELOPED Brady and after a couple years let Brady Sling it all over, and need I remind you that Brady was a 6th round pick, unlike the guy Rex "developed" who we actually traded up in the 1st round to pick. So lets contrast the two QB Development programs under Rex and Bellichick, for thier past 2 Qbs: Bellichick: Brady, 6th round pick becomes 1st ballot HOF, and 3 rings Ryan: Sanchez, 1st round pick #5 overall, Historically some of the worst numbers ever for that high a pick, and will be cut Hmmm, who do you want developing your QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Ahhh, but are they garbage (which I actually do believe) or are they actually serviceable QB's who have been handcuffed by Rex and his "offensive systems"? Probably a bit of both, But back to Bellichick. When, he inserted BRADY after Mo blasted Bledsoe, was he a first ballot HOF? Hell, most of the NFL, and fans went WHO? and said, "oh Bledsoe will be back as soon as healthy. BUT NO, Bellichick DEVELOPED Brady and after a couple years let Brady Sling it all over, and need I remind you that Brady was a 6th round pick, unlike the guy Rex "developed" who we actually traded up in the 1st round to pick. So lets contrast the two QB Development programs under Rex and Bellichick, for thier past 2 Qbs: Bellichick: Brady, 6th round pick becomes 1st ballot HOF, and 3 rings Ryan: Sanchez, 1st round pick #5 overall, Historically some of the worst numbers ever for that high a pick, and will be cut Hmmm, who do you want developing your QB? Brady made belichik, not the other way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Brady made belichik, not the other way around Cheating helped too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Brady made belichik, not the other way around And who is making Rex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 And who is making Rex? If one of our accountant GM's could fine him a QB, I'd have that answer.. but they can't, cause he can't be found in excel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Brady made belichik, not the other way around So Im guessing Brady Coached the Giants defense to a few SB's as well eh. Make no mistake Belichicks DEFENSES won those 3 SB's for the Pats all Tom Brady did was game manage and not make mistakes. In the later years when the Pats lost a ton of defensive talent and Brady was throwing 30 40 and 50 TD's exactly how many SB's did Brady win ?? Thats what I thought This is not to take anything away from Bradys greatness just pointing out the facts you seem to push aside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So Im guessing Brady Coached the Giants defense to a few SB's as well eh. Make no mistake Belichicks DEFENSES won those 3 SB's for the Pats all Tom Brady did was game manage and not make mistakes. In the later years when the Pats lost a ton of defensive talent and Brady was throwing 30 40 and 50 TD's exactly how many SB's did Brady win ?? Thats what I thought This is not to take anything away from Bradys greatness just pointing out the facts you seem to push aside Pats win 0 SB"s and Belichick is a DC by 2002/2003 if no Brady. That's a fact smush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Pats win 0 SB"s and Belichick is a DC by 2002/2003 if no Brady. That's a fact smush Jetnation, where fact and individual's perspective share a foggy kinship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Jetnation, where fact and individual's perspective share a foggy kinship. 5-11 2000, 0-2 start to 2001... failure in Cleveland... all signs point to fail until he lucks into one of the best QB's of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 5-11 2000, 0-2 start to 2001... failure in Cleveland... all signs point to fail until he lucks into one of the best QB's of all time. Just like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll lollipop, the world may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Pats win 0 SB"s and Belichick is a DC by 2002/2003 if no Brady. That's a fact smush Pats win 0 SB's without a defense as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 If one of our accountant GM's could fine him a QB, I'd have that answer.. but they can't, cause he can't be found in excel lulza - its all good bro. Idzik has his choice in Head Coach next season. He's got a ton of experience in that dept. We're good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Hey, numbers in context are gay. Dbutts told me so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 5-11 2000, 0-2 start to 2001... failure in Cleveland... all signs point to fail until he lucks into one of the best QB's of all time. There's way more to building a successful franchise/culture then just finding a QB. Brady hasn't even played that well this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So Im guessing Brady Coached the Giants defense to a few SB's as well eh. Make no mistake Belichicks DEFENSES won those 3 SB's for the Pats all Tom Brady did was game manage and not make mistakes. In the later years when the Pats lost a ton of defensive talent and Brady was throwing 30 40 and 50 TD's exactly how many SB's did Brady win ?? Thats what I thought This is not to take anything away from Bradys greatness just pointing out the facts you seem to push aside A QB that doesn't make mistakes in big games seems pretty freaking nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 lulza - its all good bro. Idzik has his choice in Head Coach next season. He's got a ton of experience in that dept. We're good. Nope. We are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 There's way more to building a successful franchise/culture then just finding a QB. Brady hasn't even played that well this season. Not true today. Nobody wins Superbowls without great QB play anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Not true today. Nobody wins Superbowls without great QB play anymore. Belichick also has a history of shutting down great QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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