T0mShane Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 This weird philosophical debate about what a head coach does is interesting. I can't wait for it to be irrelevant in seven days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 This weird philosophical debate about what a head coach does is interesting. I can't wait for it to be irrelevant in seven days. Actually 8 days, as I think they wait until Black Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Define "good Offense"? If you mean, high pwered up tempo, sling it all over? NEVER If you mean, QB driven pass first mix in the run? NEVER If you mean, Ground n pound ball control, take the game to the 4th Quarter and rely on your defense? BINGO Tell me your thoughts on Darrell Bevell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Tell me your thoughts on Darrell Bevell. I have none, but I'm sure if you wait, TOm will give you his. Anyway, I have advocated for URBAN MEYER who runs the read option I believe. Will that suffice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think Rex has been deeply involved in the draft process. And l never conceded the Packers looked awful with Flynn...I thought they've played OK. Question is- will a Rex Ryan coached Jets team ever have a good offense? That is his responsibility as much as anyone's within the organization. It's possible that Rex has been quite involved, but if that's his biggest flaw, then Idzik has the full ability to negate that and make sure his positives are accentuated, which in my eyes is coaching whatever team is put on the field. If Idzik can field a better team, he'll get better results, simple as that. If he feels as though even if he takes Rex's draft-input away that his negatives still outweigh the positives, then by all means let him go. I just personally don't feel that any other coach would have gotten more out of this team should they have been in Rex's place this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 This weird philosophical debate about what a head coach does is interesting. I can't wait for it to be irrelevant in seven days. I'm really gonna miss you guys when he's retained and ya'll commit Seppuku. Just make sure to leave a letter, I hear Woody has em mounted on his fireplace mantle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Our QB is ahead of the curve -- he crapped the bed way before any of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I'm really gonna miss you guys when he's retained and ya'll commit Seppuku. Just make sure to leave a letter, I hear Woody has em mounted on his fireplace mantle. When you say retained, do you mean for 1 more year to fulfill his contract, or he gets a long term extension? This will weigh heavily on my manner in which I commit "Seppuku" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 When you say retained, do you mean for 1 more year to fulfill his contract, or he gets a long term extension? This will weigh heavily on my manner in which I commit "Seppuku" Retained as in he plays out the final year of his contract, regardless of how unprecedented it is. As I said, I will be disappointed if he is fired, but I won't be devastated as I understand how the business works. I just don't expect different results until we field a better offensive unit with more consistent quarterback play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Retained? More like carried off in restraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Retained as in he plays out the final year of his contract, regardless of how unprecedented it is. As I said, I will be disappointed if he is fired, but I won't be devastated as I understand how the business works. I just don't expect different results until we field a better offensive unit with more consistent quarterback play. Actually, even though it is NOT totally unprecedented as someone pointed to Marvin Lewis, BUT with what the Jets did last year in firing a GM, but retaining a coach is also about as unprecedented (Lovie Smith), as the scenario you mention. HOWEVER, not to burts your bubble, BUT Lovie was canned the following year by the new GM, with I believe a better record than the one REX will have, so their is hope on BOTH sides of this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Carson Palmer actually led his team to a victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez have been a perfect match. Both came to the Jets as rookies at their jobs and whenever they lost we'd hear the same crap from both of them; "the opposition was great, but it's all on me, I'm to blame-I have to get better". Unfortunately for Jets fans they got worse neither one ever did improve, and we even saw Geno Smith start to make the same mistakes along with reciting the same excuses. Rex never did learn anything about how to be the coach of a whole NFL team. Now if there was any way to keep Rex Ryan as the defensive coordinator I'd say sure, keep him, but that will never happen. The Rex Ryan philosophy is out of date, the game has moved past him-mentally. Sure there are still games to be won playing ground and pound offense and bend but (try not to) break defense, it's just that the rules favor the offense, the QB, the WR's and even the era of scoring on kick returns is over. It's time for Rex to go, likable as he is and all, he just didn't get the job done and 3 consecutive losing seasons is a one way ticket out of ANY NFL city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez have been a perfect match. Both came to the Jets as rookies at their jobs and whenever they lost we'd hear the same crap from both of them; "the opposition was great, but it's all on me, I'm to blame-I have to get better". Unfortunately for Jets fans they got worse neither one ever did improve, and we even saw Geno Smith start to make the same mistakes along with reciting the same excuses. Rex never did learn anything about how to be the coach of a whole NFL team. Now if there was any way to keep Rex Ryan as the defensive coordinator I'd say sure, keep him, but that will never happen. The Rex Ryan philosophy is out of date, the game has moved past him-mentally. Sure there are still games to be won playing ground and pound offense and bend but (try not to) break defense, it's just that the rules favor the offense, the QB, the WR's and even the era of scoring on kick returns is over. It's time for Rex to go, likable as he is and all, he just didn't get the job done and 3 consecutive losing seasons is a one way ticket out of ANY NFL city. It does seem somewhat fitting if Rex is in fact shown the door, that the guy he basically tied his career to (Mark sanchez), will also be most assuredly shown the door. If Rex just hadnt been so damn loyal to such a horrible QB, and had the guts to pull him in that 3rd year, and never go along with that cotract extension for an all-time bad QB. Ironic, that when Rex looks back to the one player that actually had a huge role in getting him to those 2 AFCCG's, also is probably the one player most responsible for getting him whacked, and it aws topped off by Rex getting Sanchez blasted in that pre-season game. What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Stafford more so than anyone. I've read the theory that Stafford is Sanchez with a stronger arm and Calvin Johnson. I'm beginning to believe this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I've read the theory that Stafford is Sanchez with a stronger arm and Calvin Johnson. I'm beginning to believe this. If Stafford was Sanchez with bigtime WR's - he'd be Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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