joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 No. Keep Sudfeld and draft a TE...resign him if there isnt anyone going into the season..he will be available. Our TEs weren't the problem this year it was the WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Who is that player? Winslow showed up week after week and caught everything thrown his way. Week after week except when he was suspended. I don't know who that player is yet but there are tons of tight ends who are as good options who can stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Week after week except when he was suspended. I don't know who that player is yet but there are tons of tight ends who are as good options who can stay healthy. Who? You FAIL to mention a name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Who? You FAIL to mention a name. Oh Christ shut up already. I don't know who the free agent tight ends or solid draft tight ends are. The season just ended. Give it a rest already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Oh Christ shut up already. I don't know who the free agent tight ends or solid draft tight ends are. The season just ended. Give it a rest already. That's the problem you don't know anything yet you are critical of a guy who came to play every chance he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 That's the problem you don't know anything yet you are critical of a guy who came to play every chance he had. I'm not critical. I think we can upgrade the tight end position from an old guy with bad knees and a suspension on his resume. Excuse me for wanting better for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm not critical. I think we can upgrade the tight end position from an old guy with bad knees and a suspension on his resume. Excuse me for wanting better for this team. I asked you for a name not a sob story TE isn't a glaring need on this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I asked you for a name not a sob story TE isn't a glaring need on this team Shouldn't you be starting unnecessary, illogical, and terrible threads? Winslow is highly replaceable. I'd rather have Cumberland and Sudfeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Shouldn't you be starting unnecessary, illogical, and terrible threads? Winslow is highly replaceable. I'd rather have Cumberland and Sudfeld. You FAIL to answer the question STOP responding terribly in football minded threads that involve personnel decisions as you don't have a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 You FAIL to answer the question STOP responding terribly in football minded threads that involve personnel decisions as you don't have a clue Lol. K. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 If he comes in a package deal with Brees, sure. I'm not sure that he'll be the same player here but it certainly won't make things worse. And yes, pipe dream that NO lets him go given how cheap TEs are under the Franchise Tag. Graham is trying to make a case that he should get WR money with the franchise tag, which would bump him up from around $6M to $10M. And he has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 About him not being happy-against the Panther, he caught one pass, and was immediately taken out of the game. Whereupon he looked over to the sidline and made a "WTF?" hand gesture like he was pissed. This offense is never going to be conducive of any receiver getting big stats. On a decent contract he can be a contributor.But I'd expect he wants more than veteran minimum or a little above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Graham is trying to make a case that he should get WR money with the franchise tag, which would bump him up from around $6M to $10M. And he has a point. Graham is the one guy I'd throw big money at in free agency. You get him, then go for mid-tier guys to fill some other needs. Then draft a receiver early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Graham is the one guy I'd throw big money at in free agency. You get him, then go for mid-tier guys to fill some other needs. Then draft a receiver early. Problem for any Wrecks offense is they will never throw enough for a big time receiver. Graham might be inclined to take the money, but the awfulness of their passing attack is going to give him pause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Problem for any Wrecks offense is they will never throw enough for a big time receiver. Graham might be inclined to take the money, but the awfulness of their passing attack is going to give him pause. I think its hard to imagine Graham leaving Brees for us (or anyone, really), but if we got him, we're using him heavily. A great TE is a QB's best friend, whoever our QB will be. And Graham might not have a choice in the matter. We have tons of cap space and picks as ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Problem for any Wrecks offense is they will never throw enough for a big time receiver. Graham might be inclined to take the money, but the awfulness of their passing attack is going to give him pause. We ran the ball a lot this year out of necessity. Outside of running back, our skill position personnel is awful. Give Marty some weapons to play with, and he will want to throw plenty. Bring in Graham, along with a guy like Maclin or Nicks, add a high draft pick, and the look of this offense changes dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We ran the ball a lot this year out of necessity. Outside of running back, our skill position personnel is awful. Give Marty some weapons to play with, and he will want to throw plenty. Bring in Graham, along with a guy like Maclin or Nicks, add a high draft pick, and the look of this offense changes dramatically. Exactly. We've essentially had 5 years of raw rookie QB play. Mark Sanchez played like a raw rookie for 4 years and Geno was more of the same (though he could get better). Hopefully that changes dramatically with major changes in personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Oh Christ shut up already. I don't know who the free agent tight ends or solid draft tight ends are. The season just ended. Give it a rest already.Lulz, joewilly is hitting on all cylinders this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Lulz, joewilly is hitting on all cylinders this thread. Kellen Winslow had a great year and came to play he caught everything thrown his way not saying hes an elite TE but hes decent we need WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 31 catches in 12 games is about 2.5 catches per game. 388 yards in 12 games is about 32 yards a game. There were 31 players who had more catches than he did. He's 30 and has bad knees and his next suspension will be a lengthier one. They should bring in someone like Quarless from GB, Harbor from Jax, Fred Davis from Washington, Garrett Graham fro Texas. All much better options than Kellen Winslow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 31 catches in 12 games is about 2.5 catches per game. 388 yards in 12 games is about 32 yards a game. There were 31 players who had more catches than he did. He's 30 and has bad knees and his next suspension will be a lengthier one. They should bring in someone like Quarless from GB, Harbor from Jax, Fred Davis from Washington, Garrett Graham fro Texas. All much better options than Kellen Winslow. How many times did Geno Smith throw to him? Your right lets waste a 1st round draft pick on a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We didn't get much production out of the TE position - Sudfield and Cumberland are stop gap players - we need a TE who can make plays and I don't think that's Winslow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 We didn't get much production out of the TE position - Sudfield and Cumberland are stop gap players - we need a TE who can make plays and I don't think that's Winslow. Sadly theres only 1 Jimmy Graham available and Gronkowski is hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 How many times did Geno Smith throw to him? Your right lets waste a 1st round draft pick on a TE. He was targeted 47 times, good for 6th on the team. I didn't say draft a TE in the first round and if we did, it wouldn't be a waste. Bengals did pretty well with Eifert. The tight end position in the NFL is evolving and you need a solid one to have a well rounded offense. Also, it's you're and not your. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Ebron from UNC is a player....might not be there for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 He was targeted 47 times, good for 6th on the team. I didn't say draft a TE in the first round and if we did, it wouldn't be a waste. Bengals did pretty well with Eifert. The tight end position in the NFL is evolving and you need a solid one to have a well rounded offense. Also, it's you're and not your. 31-47 that's not bad considering a lot of Geno's passes weren't right on target. Greg Olsen is a free agent he would probably be a lot better than Winslow even though I thought he was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I didn't get the impression Winslow really bonded with Rex so no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I didn't get the impression Winslow really bonded with Rex so no So if you're not friendly with Rex you cannot play for the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So if you're not friendly with Rex you cannot play for the Jets? Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Correct So Holmes will be back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Kellen Winslow had a great year and came to play he caught everything thrown his way not saying hes an elite TE but hes decent we need WRs I am dumbfounded that Jimmy Graham is even a slight possibility and you want to keep Winslow. You've changed? I agree Winslow had a decent year. But I think it might be asking a lot to expect more of the same on those knees and his age. Cumberland and Sudfeld are both nice potential guys but Cumberland might just be what he is at this stage, a solid #2. Definitely think #1 WR is the priority. Possibly even a #1 and #2. But one could argue a #1 TE is a bigger deal than a #1 WR. I think they need weapon throughout, regardless. Cumberland (for all his workout #s) and Winslow (with age and injuries) don't seem to strike any real fear into any secondary stretching the middle of the field. Def a tip of the hat to Winslow for a solid year though. They could use more from the position than what they got though. It's probably a position that didn't kill them this year but could definitely use an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So Holmes will be back then I hope so but I think he kind of betrayed Rex's friendship so he might need to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Sign some beasts!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I am dumbfounded that Jimmy Graham is even a slight possibility and you want to keep Winslow. You've changed? I agree Winslow had a decent year. But I think it might be asking a lot to expect more of the same on those knees and his age. Cumberland and Sudfeld are both nice potential guys but Cumberland might just be what he is at this stage, a solid #2. Definitely think #1 WR is the priority. Possibly even a #1 and #2. But one could argue a #1 TE is a bigger deal than a #1 WR. I think they need weapon throughout, regardless. Cumberland (for all his workout #s) and Winslow (with age and injuries) don't seem to strike any real fear into any secondary stretching the middle of the field. Def a tip of the hat to Winslow for a solid year though. They could use more from the position than what they got though. It's probably a position that didn't kill them this year but could definitely use an upgrade. Realistically speaking we aren't going to get Jimmy Graham unless of course you want Idzik to throw crazy money at him. Id like to have Jimmy Graham just like you would but we need WRs. Winslow was decent is all I said never said he was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Realistically speaking we aren't going to get Jimmy Graham unless of course you want Idzik to throw crazy money at him. Id like to have Jimmy Graham just like you would but we need WRs. Winslow was decent is all I said never said he was great. Wait, you're the one that started the Kuechly thread, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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