JetNation Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 2013 Pro Bowl and former Chiefs cornerback Brandon Flowers was released on Friday. Although he made the Pro Bowl last year, Flowers had a sub par season by his standards, recording only 68 tackles, 1 sack, and 1 interception. It was apparent that it was a tough adjustment for Flowers to change to former Jets linebackers coach Bob Sutton’s new defensive scheme. Pro Football Focus had Flowers ranked amongst the top ten CBs in the league for the 2012 season, he fell all the way to 87 for 2013. Struggles aside, Flowers is still a high caliber corner and has 17 interceptions so far in his 6 year career. Erika Esola, who was accurate about the Chris Johnson visit as well as his salary, says the Jets have already reached out to Flowers. According to Esola not only have the Jets reached out to Flowers, but Esola also said in her tweet “Expect Flowers to workout with the Jets this week.” Esola goes on to mention there were trade talks between the Jets and Chiefs in May about Flowers, but John Idzik shot it down. The Jets have already reached out to Brandon Flowers, per local source. Chiefs – Jets tried to work out a trade in May but Idzik said no. — Erika Esola (@emesola) June 14, 2014 So from what I have gathered, expect Flowers to work out with the Jets this week. Also heard the Dolphins are interested in bringing him in. — Erika Esola (@emesola) June 14, 2014 With all of that being said, let’s go over 3 reasons why the Jets should and should not sign Brandon Flowers: Should - Lack of Proven/Consistent CBs – The thought of having our starting cornerback tandem being Dee Milliner and Dimitri Patterson isn’t exactly reassuring. While Milliner had a very strong finish to his rookie campaign with 3 interceptions in 2 games he struggled mightily for the majority of the season. This was heavily influenced by missing the offseason with his shoulder injury; it isn’t very encouraging to hear he is already encountering injury issues, even though they’re minor (hamstring tightness.) Patterson is an even bigger question mark playing for 5 different teams, and being with none of them for over 2 years. Injuries have also consistently plagued his career. If he can overcome the injury bug he could be a playmaker for the Jets, he recorded 4 interceptions in 6 games last year for the Dolphins. While both Milliner and Patterson have good potential, signing Flowers would instantly upgrade the suspect secondary. Saving Face – Many critics say that John Idzik “blew it” when it came to the cornerback position this offseason. Idzik released the Jets #1 corner in Antonio Cromartie, and failed to sign Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie who came in for a visit and ended up signing with the crosstown rivals, the Giants. There were other high profile free agent corners the Jets were interested in, that Idzik never pulled the trigger on, such as Alterraun Verner. Idzik was criticized by some for his slow or deliberate approach in free agency, bargain shopping when there was ample room in cap space to go and sign a top notch corner. This could be a chance for Idzik to come out on top, signing a high caliber corner for a bargain deal. Pro Bowl Corner/Competition – Whenever you have the chance to add a Pro Bowl player to your roster it’s hard to say no, especially when you have more than enough cap space to do it. If Idzik is true to his mantra, adding Flowers would make for great competition at the CB position. It would also push Patterson/Milliner to try and keep their starting spot. Acquiring Flowers would make it a more-than-crowded backfield with 12 other CBs already on the roster, it’d be tough not to get some competition out of that many players. Should Not - Stat/Gameplay decline – While Flowers made the Pro Bowl last year, there are some who say it was a fluke. With the drastic drop off in his stats last year it is hard to argue otherwise. It was obvious if you watched Flowers play in Sutton’s scheme that he was a little lost and not quite the same player. Flowers was asked to play more press-man coverage in Sutton’s scheme, but he is more effective in a zone coverage dominant scheme. Flowers didn’t thrive in Sutton’s scheme, so the biggest question would be can he be the same corner of old in Rex Ryan’s scheme? Scheme Fit – As stated earlier, Flowers is more efficient in zone coverage and can struggle at times in man coverage. Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense. Flowers plays best when in the slot, but that position is already taken by Kyle Wilson and possibly Dex McDougle in sub packages. Crowded Backfield – 12′s a company, 13′s a crowd… With a full backfield, adding another corner will make for even tougher decisions when it’s time for the Jets to make roster cuts. While it can’t hurt to stockpile cornerbacks early on in the offseason, later on it could make for some problems. This could mean less reps for the younger players who need offseason experience. Another possibility is with so many players at the position the Jets may be forced to release a player who turns out to be a gem for another team. While there are arguments for both sides, what is evident is that the Jets could use an upgrade at the cornerback position, and are interested. Trade talks took place at some point in May, but just how much are the Jets and “Idzik the deliberate” willing to spend on Flowers? Flowers has a better track record than any cornerback on the Jets current roster, but would he fit in Rex Ryan’s defensive scheme? At this point there are still many questions to be answered, what do you think? For more information on the latest Jets news stay tuned to JetNation, and be sure to read about http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/115878-chiefs-release-brandon-flowers/ in the forums for further discussion. Follow Me: View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 It was apparent that it was a tough adjustment for Flowers to change to former Jets linebackers coach Bob Sutton’s new defensive scheme Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense don't sign this beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Bring him in why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman81 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Scheme Fit – As stated earlier, Flowers is more efficient in zone coverage and can struggle at times in man coverage. Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense. Flowers plays best when in the slot, but that position is already taken by Kyle Wilson and possibly Dex McDougle in sub packages. OK I can see saying he may not fit a man coverage scheme, but seriously acting like the slot position is locked down by Wilson is just absurd. If Flowers can play that position then by all means sign him and get Wilson's ass out of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Scheme Fit – As stated earlier, Flowers is more efficient in zone coverage and can struggle at times in man coverage. Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense. Flowers plays best when in the slot, but that position is already taken by Kyle Wilson and possibly Dex McDougle in sub packages. OK I can see saying he may not fit a man coverage scheme, but seriously acting like the slot position is locked down by Wilson is just absurd. If Flowers can play that position then by all means sign him and get Wilson's ass out of there. he was due to make 7.5 mill and is holding out. I don't sign him at more than 7.5 mill. pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 WTF dont some people understand about BAD SCHEME FIT!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 WTF dont some people understand about BAD SCHEME FIT!?! If Idzik can't find any good players to fit the scheme, then maybe it's time to change the scheme... or fire Idzik. Preferably the latter. Per Cimini, the Jets have no interest in Flowers. I guess they can't sign him because they're too worried about that mega contract that superstar Jeremy Kerley has coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If Idzik can't find any good players to fit the scheme, then maybe it's time to change the scheme... or fire Idzik. Preferably the latter. good point. since flowers can't play man, fire idzik you should be an owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 good point. since flowers can't play man, fire idzik you should be an owner There wasn't a single good man cover corner on the market all off-season? Rotten luck for Idzik the ninja! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 There wasn't a single good man cover corner on the market all off-season? Rotten luck for Idzik the ninja! that wasn't your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If Idzik can't find any good players to fit the scheme, then maybe it's time to change the scheme... or fire Idzik. Preferably the latter. Per Cimini, the Jets have no interest in Flowers. I guess they can't sign him because they're too worried about that mega contract that superstar Jeremy Kerley has coming. A defensive genius should be able to find a productive spot for a talented player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 that wasn't your point I've got dibs on any points related to Idzik's borderline criminal level of inactivity this off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 A defensive genius should be able to find a productive spot for a talented player Yeah. Maybe Idzik could give him a few more talented players to work with instead of the junk he wants to run out there at WR and CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I've got dibs on any points related to Idzik's borderline criminal level of inactivity this off-season. that's great. flowers is not a good fit here because he was benched for sucking at the scheme rex runs here. that is the point here. and could you kindly list the trancactions here in this thread ? criminally inactive sounds bad. just curious if the pesky facts agree. don't forget to include re-signing UFA's who were here last year, that counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 idzik is so lazy, he practically took the year off 6/2 Calvin Pryor S signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (fifth-year option) 5/28 Brandon Dixon CB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/19 A.J. Edds LB signed from Patriots 5/19 Markus Zusevics T signed from Patriots 5/16 Jace Amaro TE signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/16 Daryl Richardson RB acquired from waivers from Rams 5/16 Jalen Saunders WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/16 Tajh Boyd QB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Jeremiah George LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Quincy Enunwa WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 IK Enemkpali LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Shaq Evans WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Dakota Dozier T signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/14 Trevor Reilly LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/11 Anthony Grady DE signed 5/11 Steele Divitto LB signed 5/11 Terrence Miller TE signed 5/11 Kerry Hyder DE signed 5/11 Brent Qvale T signed 5/11 Zach Thompson DE signed 5/11 Chad Young RB signed 5/11 Tevon Conrad T signed 4/16 Chris Johnson RB signed from Titans, Two-year contract (through 2015) 4/9 Garrett McIntyre LB re-signed/unrestricted free agent 4/1 Jacoby Ford WR signed/unrestricted free agent from Raiders 4/1 Dimitri Patterson CB signed from Dolphins 3/31 Nick Bellore LB re-signed/restricted free agent, One-year tender (through 2014) 3/28 Jeremy Reeves CB signed 3/21 Mark Sanchez QB cut 3/21 Michael Vick QB signed/unrestricted free agent, One-year contract (through 2014) 3/19 Willie Colon G re-signed/unrestricted free agent, One-year contract (through 2014) 3/16 Calvin Pace LB re-signed/unrestricted free agent, Two-year contract (through 2015) 3/13 Leger Douzable DE re-signed/unrestricted free agent, One-year contract (through 2014) 3/13 Eric Decker WR signed/unrestricted free agent, Five-year contract (through 2018) 3/12 Breno Giacomini T signed/unrestricted free agent 3/11 Nick Folk K re-signed, Four-year contract (through 2017) 3/10 Santonio Holmes WR cut 3/9 Antonio Cromartie CB cut 3/8 Jeff Cumberland TE re-signed, Three-year contract (through 2016) 3/5 Johnny Patrick CB acquired from waivers 3/5 Ellis Lankster CB re-signed, Two-year contract (through 2015) 3/5 Darrin Walls CB re-signed, Two-year contract (through 2015) 2/28 Nick Folk K Designated franchise player 1/14 Nick Taylor CB signed 1/14 Jacolby Ashworth T signed 1/8 Lowell Rose CB signed 1/8 Patrick Ford G signed 1/6 Ras-I Dowling CB signed 12/31 Dalton Freeman C signed 12/31 Rontez Miles S signed 12/31 Dwight Jones WR signed 12/31 Colin Anderson TE signed 12/31 T.J. Barnes DT signed 12/31 Michael Campbell WR signed 12/31 Tevita Finau DT signed 12/31 Tim Fugger LB signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yeah. Maybe Idzik could give him a few more talented players to work with instead of the junk he wants to run out there at WR and CB. Yeah how can we expect rex to work with a defense in ehich over half the starters are first or second round picks. Until he has 11 first rounders starting, he gets a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I think what you mean to say is he didn't sign DRC, so blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Stoic Entry needs to stoo whining so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Scheme Fit – As stated earlier, Flowers is more efficient in zone coverage and can struggle at times in man coverage. Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense. Flowers plays best when in the slot, but that position is already taken by Kyle Wilson and possibly Dex McDougle in sub packages. OK I can see saying he may not fit a man coverage scheme, but seriously acting like the slot position is locked down by Wilson is just absurd. If Flowers can play that position then by all means sign him and get Wilson's ass out of there. Flowers slot play and price tag doesn't warrant a signing when Kyle Wilson is still on his rookie deal and is playing very well in the slot. If we sign flowers it better be because we feel like he can lock down the corner opposite Milliner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If Idzik can't find any good players to fit the scheme, then maybe it's time to change the scheme... or fire Idzik. Preferably the latter. Per Cimini, the Jets have no interest in Flowers. I guess they can't sign him because they're too worried about that mega contract that superstar Jeremy Kerley has coming. And youre assuming what we have isnt good enough...I disagree...not an argument that can be won in June...I'll see you in December, sucka! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 6/2 Calvin Pryor S signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (fifth-year option) 5/28 Brandon Dixon CB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/19 A.J. Edds LB signed from Patriots 5/19 Markus Zusevics T signed from Patriots 5/16 Jace Amaro TE signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/16 Daryl Richardson RB acquired from waivers from Rams 5/16 Jalen Saunders WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/16 Tajh Boyd QB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Jeremiah George LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Quincy Enunwa WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 IK Enemkpali LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Shaq Evans WR signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/15 Dakota Dozier T signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) 5/14 Trevor Reilly LB signed/draft choice, Four-year contract (through 2017) Weird how we havent signed Dex yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 WTF dont some people understand about BAD SCHEME FIT!?! It can be overrated. For the right money a player like Flowers would be worth signing unless he's finished physically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 If Idzik can't find any good players to fit the scheme, then maybe it's time to change the scheme... or fire Idzik. Preferably the latter. This is the best comment in the history of this website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 This is the best comment in the history of this website. Please tell Courtney to read it on air as the POTW. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I think what you mean to say is he didn't sign DRC, so blah blah blah Not signing players stoic wanted + not signing players fast enough to keep stoic entertained = criminal levels of inactivity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Weird how we havent signed Dex yet. it's bizarre. what can the hold up be ? Not signing players stoic wanted + not signing players fast enough to keep stoic entertained = criminal levels of inactivity stoic's meltdown the first night of FA was hilarious. no, it was annoying, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Not signing players stoic wanted + not signing players fast enough to keep stoic entertained = criminal levels of inactivity Here's a guy that gets it. it's bizarre. what can the hold up be ? stoic's meltdown the first night of FA was hilarious. no, it was annoying, lol How about days 2-10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 it's bizarre. what can the hold up be ? My first thought would be something to do with his shoulder...maybe he failed a physical or something like that. But being recently cleared...i dunno...money is set so...whats salary vs whats guaranteed maybe? As questionable as Dees holdup last year...pattern for Idzik might be to give these kids coming off injury a really good look before placing the decimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I didn't like him when he was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Jets should definitely do this for a wide variety of reasons. If they feel the backfield is too crowded, just cut career nickel back (3rd stringer) Kyle Wilson. Very simple. Flowers record speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Scheme Fit – As stated earlier, Flowers is more efficient in zone coverage and can struggle at times in man coverage. Bob Sutton’s defense is a very similar scheme to that of Rex Ryan’s defense. They both call for good man coverage corners. It wouldn’t bode well for Flowers to come into a heavy man coverage defense. Flowers plays best when in the slot, but that position is already taken by Kyle Wilson and possibly Dex McDougle in sub packages. OK I can see saying he may not fit a man coverage scheme, but seriously acting like the slot position is locked down by Wilson is just absurd. If Flowers can play that position then by all means sign him and get Wilson's ass out of there. I absolutely agree. Wilson is mediocre at best. In fact, after Idzik fumbled the ball multiple times at the cb position this offseason, this is his chance to actually make a good move. McDougle definitely has potential, so bring Flowers in to mentor him. This should be a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Let's all cut the guy who is 3rd on the depth chart and sign and slug that couldn't cut it with Bob Sutton! There are 11 corners and Wilson is certainly in the top 5, but we should sign Brandon Flowers and cut Wilson. Cutting Wilson over Lowell Rose makes perfect sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Does stoic entry do this nonsense in every thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Does stoic entry do this nonsense in every thread? Yes. Yes, he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yes. Yes, he does. He should stop. It's getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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