Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 BARM'S GRC COUNT HAS BEEN RESET TO ZERO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 9 to lynch Jetscode (2) - JiF Integrity (2) - Darthe, JVoR Crusher (7) - Jetscode, Hess, 80, Barm, Nyn, Verbal, Nolder JVoR (3) - Integrity, Lizard Dad, Leelou Lizard (2) - AVM, Crusher Roster GRC 1 Nolder - 47 2 Leelou - 31 3 Barm - 0 4 JF80 - 345 Wombat - 27 Solomon Grundy, Town Tough Killed post L16 Verb - 267 Crush - 348 Eluial - 109 Hess - 2710 Lily - 23 Cyborg, Town Action Doubler, Killed post L211 Smash - 31 Killer Frost, Town Mirror Generator, L212 JiF - 213 IntegritApe - 9214 AVM - 4015 Jetscode - 5616 Lizzie - 4517 Despot - 16 Darkseid, Vanilla Town, Passive Vote Doubler, L118 Nyn - 3019 krak - 2720 JVOR - 2021 Darthe - 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Doggin can you confirm that these two VC's are 100% correct? which is the one you just posted And > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Where'd the second one go? Annoying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Counts look right, unless there was a vote somewhere way back in the thread that I missed (i.e. the only vote difference between the last count and the one prior was Leelou moving to JVOR and JVOR moving to Ape, so if the immediately prior count was right, so is this one, and there is nothing obviously wrong with it, and the second count you linked was identical to the immediately prior count as there was no voting action in between them; I try to keep at least one count per page). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 vote JVOR Any thoughts to share, or are you just bussing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Counts look right, unless there was a vote somewhere way back in the thread that I missed (i.e. the only vote difference between the last count and the one prior was Leelou moving to JVOR and JVOR moving to Ape, so if the immediately prior count was right, so is this one, and there is nothing obviously wrong with it, and the second count you linked was identical to the immediately prior count as there was no voting action in between them; I try to keep at least one count per page). Actually, just noticed that the vote on 40 and 41 had the error where I forgot to delete Ape's original vote when I moved it to a new player. So that one is inaccurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 9 to lynch Jetscode (2) - JiF Integrity (2) - Darthe, JVoR Crusher (7) - Jetscode, Hess, 80, Barm, Nyn, Verbal, Nolder JVoR (3) - Integrity, Lizard Dad, Leelou Lizard (2) - AVM, Crusher Wait.... Lizzie is voting JVOR, but was pushing "why are these two still alive" about Crusher and I a couple pages ago? Really? I like that AVM immediately plopped a vote on Lizzie and then tried to impersonate himself being all "AVM-ish" after that too. I smell a lot of bussing/distancing right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Actually, just noticed that the vote on 40 and 41 had the error where I forgot to delete Ape's original vote when I moved it to a new player. So that one is inaccurate So, to be clear. Ape did not have two simultaneous votes but Jif's vote is counting for 2 currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Crusher (7) - Jetscode, Hess, 80, Barm, Nyn, Verbal, Nolder If Crusher is town, then I'd guess Nyn is scum on his train. Barm maybe. I really think there's more of scum nudging Crusher than voting him right now though, I think they are spread out voting each other or nudging other town run-ups at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I smell a lot of bussing/distancing right now. Same. I think you're part of it myself but am willing to give benefit of the doubt since I'm sure some of the people I suspect are involved are townies caught up in the nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So, to be clear. Ape did not have two simultaneous votes but Jif's vote is counting for 2 currently? Interesting catch. I figured it was a typo, I always forget to update the number in parenthesis when I'm counting votes... Doggin, clarification would be pertinent on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 So, to be clear. Ape did not have two simultaneous votes but Jif's vote is counting for 2 currently? Ape did not have 2 votes, that was moderator error. Jetscode currently has 2 votes on him. Won't comment on why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Same. I think you're part of it myself but am willing to give benefit of the doubt since I'm sure some of the people I suspect are involved are townies caught up in the nonsense. Fair enough, when we reach a point where my death will provide more clarity for town, I'll roll over and let you all lynch me. I've got some time today, so I'm putting in work, but the next two days I'm on-site with a client doing research, so I'm about to fall behind again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ape did not have 2 votes, that was moderator error. Jetscode currently has 2 votes on him. Won't comment on why. So, we have more than one passive double voter in the game. Do we believe that both would be town roles? Or juxtaposing town/scum with same role. With roles like double voter and tough guy, I'm getting the sense that we may see a couple of redundant roles where we'll have to decide whether both roles are town-aligned or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Fair enough, when we reach a point where my death will provide more clarity for town, I'll roll over and let you all lynch me. I've got some time today, so I'm putting in work, but the next two days I'm on-site with a client doing research, so I'm about to fall behind again. Well I've only slept 4 hours in the past two days but I'm not currently tired so let's try to hash this out today then. The reason I'm on Crusher is because he was vote leader. I don't particularly trust or distrust him but he's part of the group I see distancing from each other. Others are you, Hess, JC, JVOR, and LK. I don't like your votes or your reactions to each other. A lot of it seems empty and baseless...when you guys bother to give a reason at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Can you comment on whether this VC is correct or not Doggin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well I've only slept 4 hours in the past two days but I'm not currently tired so let's try to hash this out today then. The reason I'm on Crusher is because he was vote leader. I don't particularly trust or distrust him but he's part of the group I see distancing from each other. Others are you, Hess, JC, JVOR, and LK. I don't like your votes or your reactions to each other. A lot of it seems empty and baseless...when you guys bother to give a reason at all. Baseless? I'm essentially saying that JVOR is gently nudging what town is already talking about, and accusation I've built plenty of correct cases on in the past for other scum catches. In further discussing things with him, I've exposed him lying and being completely illogical. How was that lost on you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So, we have more than one passive double voter in the game. Do we believe that both would be town roles? Or juxtaposing town/scum with same role. With roles like double voter and tough guy, I'm getting the sense that we may see a couple of redundant roles where we'll have to decide whether both roles are town-aligned or not. Pretty sure doggin said someplace we could have the same roles on either side of alignments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ape Lily was an action doubler but if that VC is correct she had her vote doubled at the same time Jif seems to. I was thinking maybe Lily could double votes but if they're doubled at the same time I'd say Jif is confirmed double voter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 Can you comment on whether this VC is correct or not Doggin? Count is correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Baseless? I'm essentially saying that JVOR is gently nudging what town is already talking about, and accusation I've built plenty of correct cases on in the past for other scum catches. In further discussing things with him, I've exposed him lying and being completely illogical. How was that lost on you? Talking about 6 people here. Not necessarily you. In fact the one that comes to mind first and foremost is Crusher calling Hess town in post #201. It's bugged me since he said it and I only feel worse about it as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Any thoughts to share, or are you just bussing him? His play doesn't seem genuine in his attacks on you. I see a bit of spinning in his posting. So no, not bussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted December 3, 2014 Author Share Posted December 3, 2014 9 to lynch Jetscode (2) - JiF Integrity (2) - Darthe, JVoR Crusher (7) - Jetscode, Hess, 80, Barm, Nyn, Verbal, Nolder JVoR (3) - Integrity, Lizard Dad, Leelou Lizard (2) - AVM, Crusher Roster GRC 1 Nolder - 55 2 Leelou - 32 3 Barm - 0 4 JF80 - 345 Wombat - 27 Solomon Grundy, Town Tough Killed post L16 Verb - 267 Crush - 358 Eluial - 109 Hess - 2710 Lily - 23 Cyborg, Town Action Doubler, Killed post L211 Smash - 31 Killer Frost, Town Mirror Generator, L212 JiF - 213 IntegritApe - 9914 AVM - 4015 Jetscode - 5616 Lizzie - 4517 Despot - 16 Darkseid, Vanilla Town, Passive Vote Doubler, L118 Nyn - 3019 krak - 2720 JVOR - 2021 Darthe - 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Count is correct Ok thanks. So...either Lily could double votes and was doubling hers or I guess we have someone that has a hidden vote. But either way it looks like Jif is confirmed double voter unless someone can come up with another plausible explanation. I don't want to detract from the current trains but I think the next order of business after this upcoming lynch is whether or not we want to assume there could be two town double voters this game. Keep in mind Jif had his GRC reset IIRC. If that's a scum power obviously they wouldn't use it on their own which implies Jif is town. But I think this needs more discussion and perspectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 If Crusher is town, then I'd guess Nyn is scum on his train. You scum kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Pretty sure doggin said someplace we could have the same roles on either side of alignments. Okay, missed that - @Doggin can you confirm? Ape Lily was an action doubler but if that VC is correct she had her vote doubled at the same time Jif seems to. I was thinking maybe Lily could double votes but if they're doubled at the same time I'd say Jif is confirmed double voter. Sorry, Despot was another passive double voter. So why did JVOR have 3 votes on him, when only Lily and I were voting him? I am not a double voter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Talking about 6 people here. Not necessarily you. In fact the one that comes to mind first and foremost is Crusher calling Hess town in post #201. It's bugged me since he said it and I only feel worse about it as time goes on. Fair enough. You can put me down as officially waffling on Crusher. He and Hess are the hardest reads in mafia for me. I felt like his recent responses were townie-vibe-ish though. His play doesn't seem genuine in his attacks on you. I see a bit of spinning in his posting. So no, not bussing. Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 You scum kid? I am town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ok thanks. So...either Lily could double votes and was doubling hers or I guess we have someone that has a hidden vote. But either way it looks like Jif is confirmed double voter unless someone can come up with another plausible explanation. I don't want to detract from the current trains but I think the next order of business after this upcoming lynch is whether or not we want to assume there could be two town double voters this game. Keep in mind Jif had his GRC reset IIRC. If that's a scum power obviously they wouldn't use it on their own which implies Jif is town. But I think this needs more discussion and perspectives. If there are multiple double voters, then there are probably multiple of a couple roles, including the ability to erase vote counts. I don't think we can draw any conclusion whatsoever about JIF's alignment due to him losing his GRC count. Same goes for Barm, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Sorry, Despot was another passive double voter. So why did JVOR have 3 votes on him, when only Lily and I were voting him? I am not a double voter. I think it's irrelevant. Jif appears to have been a double voter all along. See his vote on Des in the first lynch as an example. I can't explain why JVOR had 3 votes on him aside from speculating that Lily could double her vote but I think it's clear Jif is a bonafide double voter. I don't think the two situations are related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I think it's irrelevant. Jif appears to have been a double voter all along. See his vote on Des in the first lynch as an example. I can't explain why JVOR had 3 votes on him aside from speculating that Lily could double her vote but I think it's clear Jif is a bonafide double voter. I don't think the two situations are related. Agreed. So Des and JIF have double-vote powers. Do we assume both are town? Also, tough guy is a role that requires +1 extra vote for a lynch, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolder Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Agreed. So Des and JIF have double-vote powers. Do we assume both are town? Also, tough guy is a role that requires +1 extra vote for a lynch, right? I think the trap is laid so that to make an assumption on this fact would be to error. We need to be sure, or as sure as we can be, based on other criteria. Although I will say this: just because Jif might be town doesn't make him an asset. An irresponsible town double voter can be comparable to a rogue vigilante imo. Could do more harm to town than to mafia. And yeah I think that's correct on Tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Okay, missed that - @Doggin can you confirm You're missing a couple things this game huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 This dialogue between JVOR and I this morning is damning for him. Not sure what you guys are waiting for... good grief, you've all played before right? I'd prefer not to lynch either of you thanks. Game is boring without the two of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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