T0mShane Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 My guess is it's a bit like "money ball" where you have metrics vs. scouts (tape). I keep recommending this, but if anyone thinks that the draft war room is full of geniuses, you should watch Finding Giants. The amount of derp slung between those scouts right before making a selection is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I keep recommending this, but if anyone thinks that the draft war room is full of geniuses, you should watch Finding Giants. The amount of derp slung between those scouts right before making a selection is absurd. and that's a team that wins Super Bowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I keep recommending this, but if anyone thinks that the draft war room is full of geniuses, you should watch Finding Giants. The amount of derp slung between those scouts right before making a selection is absurd. The thing is that at least those guys are shameless. You get more than one idiot in a room that pretends he knows what numbers mean and that's what really throws everything to sh*t. That's actually what makes the "I don't get it" scene in Big so brilliant; adults are incapable of comprehending that ******* idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 After I read a Lonelyheart post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 After I read a Lonelyheart post... When Tom Thumb reads the same: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Good thread, we need more of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Kristian Sokoli from Buffalo had a 99th percentile sparq score...didnt we bring this guy in for a visit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 What's Danielle Hunter's sparq? Or whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsmanjb Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I voted for option one but I would prefer DGB over DJ Humphries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 What's Danielle Hunter's sparq? Or whatever... There isn't a SPARQ number because the guy who does that only uses combine data. Mosqueda uses pro day stuff and some kind of single-output version of the Waldo model and he has Hunter as a force player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Kristian Sokoli from Buffalo had a 99th percentile sparq score...didnt we bring this guy in for a visit? We did. Doesn't surprise me. Like I said, based on the Texans picks we've got to go on, it seems like Maccagnan is hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 http://mockdraftable.com/player/4914/ Yay, Jabal Sheard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yay, Jabal Sheard! That was actually my first comp watching him too. I don't see Chandler Jones but even if that is his upside, at 6? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 We did. Doesn't surprise me. Like I said, based on the Texans picks we've got to go on, it seems like Maccagnan is hip. How would/shoud you factor in Gregory's transgressions or is that not your thing. If Beasley and Cooper are gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yay, Jabal Sheard! Shane Ray's even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 That was actually my first comp watching him too. I don't see Chandler Jones but even if that is his upside, at 6? Really? I don't get how or why people are so willfully dismissing freely available info. The NFL draft is hard enough without resorting to smoke and mirrors where you don't have to. Doesn't have the length of a Chandler Jones, unless I'm guessing wrong. I can't see that one at all and yeah - not worth anywhere near the 6th pick. Fuuuuuck that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ricky Sapp II: The Fowlering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 How would/shoud you factor in Gregory's transgressions or is that not your thing. If Beasley and Cooper are gone... In an absolute sense I have no idea but you have to figure that at least some undue weight is being given to the Gordon thing so he's probably undervalued as a result. I go Dupree at 6 unless Williams is the one that falls and we can't move, in which case I guess I'm seriously considering Gregory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Shane Ray's even worse. I'd be done until the next GM and coach show up if Ray was the pick. The Cubs are about to be good so it'll be easier. I bet baseball playoffs and chasing Jason Heyward in FA will be more exciting than a Jets team that uses the 6th (or really, any of their first three or four picks) on Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I think you guys are underselling what Fowler could bring playing alongside/behind Richardson. Granted, I'd prefer to use the luxury of Richadson to stick the freaky pass rusher (even if they're not great against the run) in that spot, but a Fowler/Sheldon tandem would kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I really do think Randy Gregory is a stud player in the league. He, Dupree, and Cooper are the three prospects most worthwhile in this draft off the top of my head...probably Collins the CB too, but the Jets aren't looking that way so I don't care. Have the Jets even brought in Gregory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 We did. Doesn't surprise me. Like I said, based on the Texans picks we've got to go on, it seems like Maccagnan is hip. Didn't they also work out and interview Ray twice, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 2003 – OLB Terrell Suggs Suggs’ 40-yard dash at the combine gave some talent evaluators pause. He ran it in the dragging 4.8-second range. He had an average vertical jump (33 inches) and just 19 bench press reps of 225 pounds. The average is around 25 for defensive linemen. Suggs slid a little bit in the draft and was scooped up by the Ravens at pick No. 10. His speed hasn’t proven to be a problem. Fowler reminds me of a faster, more dynamic Suggs Terrell Suggs put up 40 sacks in college by the age of 20. Fowler has less than half of that at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I really do think Randy Gregory is a stud player in the league. He, Dupree, and Cooper are the three prospects most worthwhile in this draft off the top of my head...probably Collins the CB too, but the Jets aren't looking that way so I don't care. Have the Jets even brought in Gregory? Yes. I don't know a thing about the guy but it looks like Kevin Johnson is gonna be the first corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Didn't they also work out and interview Ray twice, though? And a visit. We're ****ed obv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yes. I don't know a thing about the guy but it looks like Kevin Johnson is gonna be the first corner. Led CBs at the combine in everything but the 40. :shrugs: Best of luck to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 And a visit. We're ****ed obv. STOP IT BOTH OF YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ray cannot be in serious consideration at 6. It would just be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ray cannot be in serious consideration at 6. It would just be too much. I don't really think he is. List is kinda top heavy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ray cannot be in serious consideration at 6. It would just be too much. Oh, he can be. He...can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Oh, he can be. He...can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Terrell Suggs put up 40 sacks in college by the age of 20. Fowler has less than half of that at the same age. Are you really going to compare player stats 13 years removed from one another?? LOL Once again! Gato = # Science. Pac-12 wasn't anywhere near what it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Are you really going to compare player stats 13 years removed from one another?? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Are you really going to compare player stats 13 years removed from one another?? LOL Once again! Gato = # Science. Pac-12 wasn't anywhere near what it is today. Oh, OK then. No doubt that covers the 25+ sack difference. 40 sack twenty year old college players were and are all over the place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 14 in the SECZZZZ today is like 80 in for Pac-10 then, using proper science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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