HighPitch Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 i dunno i watched the game without glasses in a restaurant but it seemed to me that the giants touchdown was solid but taken away. he caught the ball, had control, took two step TOUCHDOWN then the ball got swatted away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ever go to a Jets/Giants game. Just may change your mind about the biggest anuses in the sportsworld and their right in our own backyard - F the Gmen and their fans. You forgetting that most Pats fans were Giants fans before 2004? They're one and the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ummm How many holding calls on pats OL (Norm, Cliff, Carla and Woody)? The Giants holding was atrocious. The fix was in Mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 At the end of the day it's all about the bolded. 200 yards passing in 4th quarter. Gronk is great, Gostkowski is very good, Belichick is extremely over rated, none of that matters if not for Brady. Disagree Joe Brod BB duped Coughlin with his clock management. Watch BB use his timeouts sometime and you will see. Did you see the blocking on Almendola run back? The Pats are so well coached and its because of BB. Gostowski is the best kicker in the NFL right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still can't tell if Eli is a good QB. He is an enema. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still can't tell if Eli is a good QB. He is an enigma. Is this a fancy word for doofus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still hate those "he has to establish himself as a runner rule. It is a consistent call so I wasn't upset when they overturned that OBJ call in the endzone. My thought is this. You catch it and two feet hit the ground then it should be a touch down. Why is it that when wr's catch the ball with one foot in and barley drag the toe in bounds it is considered a TD? Did the receiver really establish himself as a runner with a toe drag that in some cases is for split second before going out of bounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 i dunno i watched the game without glasses in a restaurant but it seemed to me that the giants touchdown was solid but taken away. he caught the ball, had control, took two step TOUCHDOWN then the ball got swatted away Beckham was robbed on that td and I hate the Giants and was rooting for them to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still hate those "he has to establish himself as a runner rule. It is a consistent call so I wasn't upset when they overturned that OBJ call in the endzone. My thought is this. You catch it and two feet hit the ground then it should be a touch down. Why is it that when wr's catch the ball with one foot in and barley drag the toe in bounds it is considered a TD? Did the receiver really establish himself as a runner with a toe drag that in some cases is for split second before going out of bounds? he had control and two feet in. The play was over the moment that happened the refs botched the call. Two feet on the ground in play is 'establishing the run' the refs were blowing New England. I think that and I wanted the Pats to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 he had control and two feet in. The play was over the moment that happened the refs botched the call. Two feet on the ground in play is 'establishing the run' the refs were blowing New England. I think that and I wanted the Pats to win. No they weren't, the rule clearly states (after the whole D.Bryant catch from last year) the Receiver has to make a "football move" after catch, he did not do that, a sec before his sec hand was going to secure the ball, it was knocked out. The fox analyst, former ref. stated that before the refs on the field made the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 No they weren't, the rule clearly states (after the whole D.Bryant catch from last year) the Receiver has to make a "football move" after catch, he did not do that, a sec before his sec hand was going to secure the ball, it was knocked out. The fox analyst, former ref. stated that before the refs on the field made the call. There is NOTHING clear about that rule, nothing at all, nothing in the slightest because a football move is about the most idiotic ridiculous parameters for a rule ever. No one and I mean no one has a clue what a catch is or is not, not the media, not the refs, not the league, not the players, not the fans. What makes the rule even more dopey is that you need almost no control over the football to have something rules a td when running the ball, as long as you break the plane while you have to have a ridiculous amount of control when catching a pass. The rule and interpretation is nothing short of idiotic (something the NFL is famous for...see the tuck rule) and no one likes it as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 he had control and two feet in. The play was over the moment that happened the refs botched the call. Two feet on the ground in play is 'establishing the run' the refs were blowing New England. I think that and I wanted the Pats to win. they made the right call based on the rule, the rule is silly but it was the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 There is NOTHING clear about that rule, nothing at all, nothing in the slightest because a football move is about the most idiotic ridiculous parameters for a rule ever. No one and I mean no one has a clue what a catch is or is not, not the media, not the refs, not the league, not the players, not the fans. What makes the rule even more dopey is that you need almost no control over the football to have something rules a td when running the ball, as long as you break the plane while you have to have a ridiculous amount of control when catching a pass. The rule and interpretation is nothing short of idiotic (something the NFL is famous for...see the tuck rule) and no one likes it as is. What makes it even stupider is that it adds to the judgment call aspect which they got rid of by eliminating the force out calls. It should be the simplest thing. You need 2 feet (or one knee) down in bounds. 2 feet down with possession = a catch. The current "rule" would be confusing if they could even try to explain it. I guess it makes it easy because they can just blame everything on the rule instead of human error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 What makes it even stupider is that it adds to the judgment call aspect which they got rid of by eliminating the force out calls. It should be the simplest thing. You need 2 feet (or one knee) down in bounds. 2 feet down with possession = a catch. The current "rule" would be confusing if they could even try to explain it. I guess it makes it easy because they can just blame everything on the rule instead of human error. I would think that in the coming years they will revisit this rule and tweak it but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I would think that in the coming years they will revisit this rule and tweak it but we'll see. The NFL will do this as they usually do about 3 years after every player and fan in the leauge see it as garage these clowns finally clue in eventually. Their rule moves are so counter intuitive. We need to increase scoring so lets totally handicap DB's and end up with 4 or 5 penalties int he secondary in the game. Oh but now we will allow DBs to push wrs out of bounds, but now we will not allow contact at all after 5 yards, but now we are going to start calling illegal blocks down field before a pass is caught, but now we will not recognize a ton of great catches because of this football move rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The Giants holding was atrocious. The fix was in Mon. I agree there was a ton of holding not called against the Giants, but a PATS fan complaining about holding is like a San Diego fan complaining they had to play a game in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Beckham was robbed on that td and I hate the Giants and was rooting for them to lose. Agree on all parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 No they weren't, the rule clearly states (after the whole D.Bryant catch from last year) the Receiver has to make a "football move" after catch, he did not do that, a sec before his sec hand was going to secure the ball, it was knocked out. The fox analyst, former ref. stated that before the refs on the field made the call. What kind of football move do you make in the endzone when you've already scored. Its not like your in the field of play and fighting for more yards. If he caught the ball on the 1 inch line that same plays a TD as he broke the plane. These rules are insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzgod Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The "rule" is completely discretionary If it had been Gronk and DRC knockef it out it would have been a TD Same reason the pathetic Cheater OL never gets called for holding And why two obviously illegal crackback blocks weren't called on Amendolas return And why illegal pick plays that are the staple of the Cheater playbook never get called NFL officials are not much different than WWE officials except in rassling they are following a script and in the NFL they are just incompetent, biased and probably corrupt Sent from my LG-H345 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 The "rule" is completely discretionary If it had been Gronk and DRC knockef it out it would have been a TD Same reason the pathetic Cheater OL never gets called for holding And why two obviously illegal crackback blocks weren't called on Amendolas return And why illegal pick plays that are the staple of the Cheater playbook never get called NFL officials are not much different than WWE officials except in rassling they are following a script and in the NFL they are just incompetent, biased and probably corrupt Sent from my LG-H345 using Tapatalk It would have been incomplete no matter what team was involved. few teams get more of a benefit of the doubt w/ officiating than the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why was that Golden Tate reception a catch and ODB's not a catch? Refs suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameso2404 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Pat's fan talking about offensive line holding? You can't write this stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 What kind of football move do you make in the endzone when you've already scored. Its not like your in the field of play and fighting for more yards. If he caught the ball on the 1 inch line that same plays a TD as he broke the plane. These rules are insane. the language to these rules are crazy, and the NFL is definitely trying to cover their ass, D.Bryant last year got screwed, I do not think Beckham got screw according to the rule the NFL had put in. I understand what they mean (the rule), to me it was a split sec. where he didn't "officially" catch the ball yet according to the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why was that Golden Tate reception a catch and ODB's not a catch? Refs suck! Diff. refs, you know you see that all the time around the NFL. This is not new, and has been going on for years all around the league. And fans blame the refs for everything, and every offensive player thinks he has been interfered with, so it's all a thin line I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 the language to these rules are crazy, and the NFL is definitely trying to cover their ass, D.Bryant last year got screwed, I do not think Beckham got screw according to the rule the NFL had put in. I understand what they mean (the rule), to me it was a split sec. where he didn't "officially" catch the ball yet according to the rule. Dez didn't get screwed by the rules just as odell didn't. the rule is dumb but it's the rule and Dez's play wasn't a catch just as Beckkham's play wasn't a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I agree there was a ton of holding not called against the Giants, but a PATS fan complaining about holding is like a San Diego fan complaining they had to play a game in the rain. Gmen choke holding from behind. Worst I have seen all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No real jet fan would ever root for the Giants under any circumstance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 What kind of football move do you make in the endzone when you've already scored. Its not like your in the field of play and fighting for more yards. If he caught the ball on the 1 inch line that same plays a TD as he broke the plane. These rules are insane. The rules are insane. PI especially. Calvin Johnson caught a TD in EZ on dropped it out of bounds and that was not a catch, Beckams should not be a catch either even if he caught the ball cleanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 No real jet fan would ever root for the Giants under any circumstance. bull shlt......if they play the Pats..... I root for the Giants. If they play the bills or Dolphins, same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I'm a Giant fan for 3 weeks this year. Vs The Pats, Dolphins and Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Why was that Golden Tate reception a catch and ODB's not a catch? Refs suck! well if you take the rule and translate it into Sanskrit and then morse code and then have a blind person on Opiates watch the highlight of Beckham's catch and interpret the rule in the spirit of the intent by Commisioner Robert Kraft it was clearly not a touchdown according to the rule And again, I was rooting for the patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I agree but then why was Tate's catch a freaking TD when it was called incomplete on the field? Again. Refs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 As Coughlin stated yesterday, how could someone catching a pass in the end zone establish himself as a runner? There is no running after two feet are down or the ball breaks the plane. Play is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 As Coughlin stated yesterday, how could someone catching a pass in the end zone establish himself as a runner? There is no running after two feet are down or the ball breaks the plane. Play is over. Coughlin, who gets more calls than anyone, whines about EVERY SINGLE CALL that goes against the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Coughlin, who gets more calls than anyone, whines about EVERY SINGLE CALL that goes against the Giants. He whines when they score td's too. He never seems happy about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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