jeaniec Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Agreed. However, we as JETS fans have been through it. he blows his load on the PATS and then nothing. I am finding that the pattern during the Rex era with the Jets is different from that of the Rex Bills' era. For example: Rex and the Jets tended to lose games after the bye week whereas Buffalo won after the bye. We'll have to wait until this Sunday to see if our team blew our load on the Jets or if we're ready for a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I thought that he injured his wrist in TC and placed on the 8 week IR? He injured his wrist a week before the first preseason game. He was healthy all camp as far as I know. Either way, he isn't more than a JAG and he doesn't fit the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're going to "be real here" then why not talk about the fact that the drafts have very little to do with Rex Ryan. How quickly everyone forgets that when Mac came on board the talk was that the Jets needed to completely revamp their scouting department. They are a team that has traditionally not allocated nearly enough resources to scouting or the draft process. Mac took the job with the promise he'd be allowed to spend more $ on hiring guys to overhaul the whole thing. Thats why guys like Heimerdinger and Rex Hogan were hired. Rex was asked for his input and he gave it.. when do we stop pretending he was making the call on who to draft? The OP's premise was that Rex "was able to net us" in terms of the drafts. I was just replying to that premise. To me, it is fairly apparent that Rex had his fingerprints all over many of the Jet picks (not all), but many. Stephen Hill be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wait, so Rex's defense played really well and they didn't win? Yes, that's correct. Call Brady and ask him how many other teams beat him up the same way the Bills did the other night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I am finding that the pattern during the Rex era with the Jets is different from that of the Rex Bills' era. For example: Rex and the Jets tended to lose games after the bye week whereas Buffalo won after the bye. We'll have to wait until this Sunday to see if our team blew our load on the Jets or if we're ready for a win. One is a pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 One is a pattern? No, just an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yes, that's correct. Call Brady and ask him how many other teams beat him up the same way the Bills did the other night. Your are definitely correct. I looked at the "moral victory" standings this morning, and damn if the Bills weren't in home field advantage, atop the league. Rex Ryan football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Your are definitely correct. I looked at the "moral victory" standings this morning, and damn if the Bills weren't in home field advantage, atop the league. Rex Ryan football Yes but did you have time to check out how many Rex Ryan threads are on the Jets Forum? There's a fine line between love and hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wait, so Rex's defense played really well and they didn't win? First time for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 For the first 3 years, Rex completely controlled the personnel on the team. Tannenbaum did Rex's bidding, its 100% fact. Tanny and the scouts would often pick between one or two players, but Rex set out the player and drafting strategy based on the type of team he wanted to build. He wanted Cb's and DL. In 2011 REX decided to let 2 of Sanchez's top weapons and a solid Olineman walk so he could pursue Namdi and try to recreate the 85 Bears defense. Rex lost some power with Tanny in 12, and Tanny lost his job because of it. The 12,13 and 14 Rosters were more Rex's fault than Idzik or anyone else. Our current roster is weak because its going to take time to get out from the mess Rex and Idzik put us in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Gun to your head, which would you rather have? Giant douche or sh*t sandwich? IMO, Parcells was way worse because Parcells was supposed to be making those picks. Whatever authority those morons gave Rex is on them. I don't see why we should think it was all Rex since Idzik obviously did not cater to Rex (other than maybe the horrific Boyd pick) and was considerably worse than Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're going to "be real here" then why not talk about the fact that the drafts have very little to do with Rex Ryan. How quickly everyone forgets that when Mac came on board the talk was that the Jets needed to completely revamp their scouting department. They are a team that has traditionally not allocated nearly enough resources to scouting or the draft process. Mac took the job with the promise he'd be allowed to spend more $ on hiring guys to overhaul the whole thing. Thats why guys like Heimerdinger and Rex Hogan were hired. Rex was asked for his input and he gave it.. when do we stop pretending he was making the call on who to draft? Your 100% wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 For the first 3 years, Rex completely controlled the personnel on the team. Tannenbaum did Rex's bidding, its 100% fact. Tanny and the scouts would often pick between one or two players, but Rex set out the player and drafting strategy based on the type of team he wanted to build. He wanted Cb's and DL. In 2011 REX decided to let 2 of Sanchez's top weapons and a solid Olineman walk so he could pursue Namdi and try to recreate the 85 Bears defense. Rex lost some power with Tanny in 12, and Tanny lost his job because of it. The 12,13 and 14 Rosters were more Rex's fault than Idzik or anyone else. Our current roster is weak because its going to take time to get out from the mess Rex and Idzik put us in. meh, why bother. yup.. all rex. enjoy your fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Your 100% wrong. dude you're spectaculary wrong.. like amazingly misinformed. but go ahead.. rex is the boogeyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Thanks for compiling. Not sure what it means without context, though. It feels bad that "only" about half are still active, but is this above or below average? I just don't know enough. Sorry but I don't have that info either. The Jets are the only team I follow closely enough to be able to talk intelligently about. Perhaps some others that post here can chime in on other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 For the first 3 years, Rex completely controlled the personnel on the team. Tannenbaum did Rex's bidding, its 100% fact. Tanny and the scouts would often pick between one or two players, but Rex set out the player and drafting strategy based on the type of team he wanted to build. He wanted Cb's and DL. In 2011 REX decided to let 2 of Sanchez's top weapons and a solid Olineman walk so he could pursue Namdi and try to recreate the 85 Bears defense. Rex lost some power with Tanny in 12, and Tanny lost his job because of it. The 12,13 and 14 Rosters were more Rex's fault than Idzik or anyone else. Our current roster is weak because its going to take time to get out from the mess Rex and Idzik put us in. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 meh, why bother. yup.. all rex. enjoy your fantasy. Honestly, you don't have a clue of what you are talking about, you really don't. You are the one in fantasy land. You must be torn, you think highly of Rex and Sanchez. I think Sanchez had a high chance of sucking, but I think any chance of succeeding was destroyed in 2011 when Edwards, Cotchery, and the Oline fell apart. Who do you think decided to make those moves to pursue Namdi? You think it was Tanny? If so, you are 100% wrong and I know this as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Link? I cannot provide a link, but I know it as fact. Watching hard knocks should give you some insight into this, but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeaniec Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Bowles: JMO - I think Jets' fans have to stop blaming Rex for the Jets' team personnel. When Mac and Bowles took over, they could have cleaned house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Honestly, you don't have a clue of what you are talking about, you really don't. You are the one in fantasy land. You must be torn, you think highly of Rex and Sanchez. I think Sanchez had a high chance of sucking, but I think any chance of succeeding was destroyed in 2011 when Edwards, Cotchery, and the Oline fell apart. Who do you think decided to make those moves to pursue Namdi? You think it was Tanny? If so, you are 100% wrong and I know this as fact. If Rex was "100% in charge" and made the decision to pursue Namdi, then why didn't they sign him? Not to mention, your big evidence of Rexs ineptitude is that he pursued who was universally considered the 2nd best CB at the time. I mean, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I cannot provide a link, but I know it as fact. Watching hard knocks should give you some insight into this, but not all. I watched Hard Knocks, nothing I saw would lend to Rex being the sole decision maker for the entire organization. If that was the case, you dont think he would have conceded to Revis's demand and avoided an entire preseason hold out? Come'on, I know you hate Rex but this is not 100% fact and I dont think you can prove it ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If Rex was "100% in charge" and made the decision to pursue Namdi, then why didn't they sign him? Not to mention, your big evidence of Rexs ineptitude is that he pursued who was universally considered the 2nd best CB at the time. I mean, what? Lets separate the two, shall we? First, Namdi chose the Eagles over the Jets, thankfully. Rex did EVERYTHING in his power to get him, and I mea everything. Second, in isolation, pursuing a great CB is not a bad decision. But we cannot look at that decision in a vacuum. We have to look at what Rex had to do in order to have enough money to make a real run at Namdi..... He had to let Edwards walk, let Cotchery walk, and allow the Oline to weaken. So I will ask you, when you already have Revis on your roster who at the time was playing at the highest level a CB has possibly ever played at, what do you think is more important, keeping your young developing QB's WR's and Oline in tact, or pursuing the 2nd best CB in football when you already have the 1st best CB in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I watched Hard Knocks, nothing I saw would lend to Rex being the sole decision maker for the entire organization. If that was the case, you dont think he would have conceded to Revis's demand and avoided an entire preseason hold out? Come'on, I know you hate Rex but this is not 100% fact and I dont think you can prove it ever was. Contracts were not 100% in his control, and Tanny was trying to get a contract that would not hold the team randsome. What I said was Rex had complete control over they type of roster they were going to build, including dictating positions in the drafts, and free agent decisions. Tanny had to make it work. Tanny was a Parcells/Belichick type GM, which is basically responsbile for the business side of personnel decisions, while the HC makes the football decisions. I cannot prove any of this, and I don't care if you don't believe me, but I am telling you this with 100% certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I cannot provide a link, but I know it as fact. I could put together a pretty accurate psychological profile on you based on that sentence alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I could put together a pretty accurate psychological profile on you based on that sentence alone. Your entitled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Contracts were not 100% in his control, and Tanny was trying to get a contract that would not hold the team randsome. What I said was Rex had complete control over they type of roster they were going to build, including dictating positions in the drafts, and free agent decisions. Tanny had to make it work. Tanny was a Parcells/Belichick type GM, which is basically responsbile for the business side of personnel decisions, while the HC makes the football decisions. I cannot prove any of this, and I don't care if you don't believe me, but I am telling you this with 100% certainty. What? Alright man. I'll take your word for it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 What? Alright man. I'll take your word for it. lol Honestly, it really doesn't matter whether you want to take my word for it or not. I am telling you the reality, you love Rex, and you should see it how you want to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm not in any position to opine on the % of influence Rex had over the draft but I think 99% of us would have to say he had SOME influence. Not saying all 39 picks during his era were his but some of them were, and some of them he and his CS simply failed to develop properly. How much is his fault as compared to other teams GM/CS during similar periods is totally unknown. One thing is for sure, right now we have depth problems. The only other alternative is that we have ok depth and we were (A) hit particularly hard but the injury bug this year or (B) our CS sucks and we just don't know it yet. My theory is its the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Honestly, it really doesn't matter whether you want to take my word for it or not. I am telling you the reality, you love Rex, and you should see it how you want to see it. I just asked you to prove what you were claiming with 100% certainty. This has nothing to do with how I used to feel about our ex-Head Coach. I could give 2 sh*ts about Rex, I just thought you had info the rest of us didnt have and asked to see it. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I just asked you to prove what you were claiming with 100% certainty. This has nothing to do with how I used to feel about our ex-Head Coach. I could give 2 sh*ts about Rex, I just thought you had info the rest of us didnt have and asked to see it. That's all. I do have info the rest of you don't have, but I really cannot prove conversations that I have had, and honestly, its not really that important to me that people I don't know on a Jets message board believe me or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Contracts were not 100% in his control, and Tanny was trying to get a contract that would not hold the team randsome. What I said was Rex had complete control over they type of roster they were going to build, including dictating positions in the drafts, and free agent decisions. Tanny had to make it work. Tanny was a Parcells/Belichick type GM, which is basically responsbile for the business side of personnel decisions, while the HC makes the football decisions. I cannot prove any of this, and I don't care if you don't believe me, but I am telling you this with 100% certainty. It sounds pretty plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The real point of the story is that the Jets will continue to stink for a few more years because of all those horrible drafts, regardless of who is at fault. Mac really has his work cut out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 It sounds pretty plausible to me. You probably have to take into account the psychological profile that our resident Psychiatrist, err, moderator has of me, before considering anything I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 The real point of the story is that the Jets will continue to stink for a few more years because of all those horrible drafts, regardless of who is at fault. Mac really has his work cut out. Very true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I do have info the rest of you don't have, but I really cannot prove conversations that I have had, and honestly, its not really that important to me that people I don't know on a Jets message board believe me or not. neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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