A Decade Later; How does Mangini sit with you?

[nyjunc]

I seriously doubt that after the Jets handily beat unbeaten Tennessee in Tennessee to go to 8-2 that you felt in that moment that we were going nowhere.  No honest fan would make that statement.

we were 8-3 at the time and I was excited but then we tanked.  Favre supposedly got hurt in October, I just don't buy the injury excuse.  late in his career he hated cold weather and he never wanted to be here so once it got cold his game went south.  realistically he was good for about a 3-4 game stretch in Nov and the Ari game, the rest of the year he was struggling.  most of the year he was throwing balls up for grabs and hoping, it worked earlier, it didn't work late.

[slats]

You defended and praised Rex right up to the very end. I guess because he wasn't boring.

Rex and Mangini were both flawed coaches. Manginis flaws were fixable, Rex's are not. Since when is boring a criteria by which to judge a coach? Landry and BB are probably two of the most boring coaches of all time.

Rex is definitely flawed, something I said many, many times while allegedly praising him right up until the end. He needs to be working for a strong GM and have at least one enforcer-like assistant working for him to have success. 

Mangini isn't flawed, he's terrible. He may be smart, but he's unimaginative. His whole philosophy was just don't make mistakes, and every play on both sides of the ball was played from fear of making a mistake. Couldn't've been more vanilla. That's how he was boring, and his teams were boring. You can't compare Landry or Belichick's coaching style to his. Mangini now is praying that Chip Kelly keeps him on because no one else wants him. He's just a bad coach. 

Easy to say today but at the time of their hire each one was sound pick to be a HC

At least Rex was an established coordinator. Herm was a DB coach, and Mangini had one year as Belichick's puppet as a DC. Herm and Mangini were both terrible choices, both at the time and in retrospect. 

[BowlesMovement]

Rex is definitely flawed, something I said many, many times while allegedly praising him right up until the end. He needs to be working for a strong GM and have at least one enforcer-like assistant working for him to have success. 

Mangini isn't flawed, he's terrible. He may be smart, but he's unimaginative. His whole philosophy was just don't make mistakes, and every play on both sides of the ball was played from fear of making a mistake. Couldn't've been more vanilla. That's how he was boring, and his teams were boring. You can't compare Landry or Belichick's coaching style to his. Mangini now is praying that Chip Kelly keeps him on because no one else wants him. He's just a bad coach. 

At least Rex was an established coordinator. Herm was a DB coach, and Mangini had one year as Belichick's puppet as a DC. Herm and Mangini were both terrible choices, both at the time and in retrospect. 

 

Mangini had the same number of winning seasons as Rex did with the Jets, in half of the years. Mangini was in the process of changing from an ill advised 4-3 defense, to a 3-4 defense. Rex had the luxury of walking into that change. Mangini also never had the luxury of having 2 teams lay down in one of those winning seasons. If Mangini was terrible, Rex was worse than terrible. Mangini was a 35 year old kid, who was probably hired too early, but to say he is terrible when in every way he was superior to Rex is laughable. As for Rex being an established coordinator, there was so much talent on that Ravens team that they were very successful before and after Rex.

There have been MANY established coordinators who sucked as HC's, Rex is just another in the very long list.

I have no love for Mangini, and had no problem with him being fired, but it amazes me when Rex lovers talk about how great Rex is, while saying how terrible Mangini was, its really laughable.

[slats]

 

Mangini had the same number of winning seasons as Rex did with the Jets, in half of the years. Mangini was in the process of changing from an ill advised 4-3 defense, to a 3-4 defense. Rex had the luxury of walking into that change. Mangini also never had the luxury of having 2 teams lay down in one of those winning seasons. If Mangini was terrible, Rex was worse than terrible. Mangini was a 35 year old kid, who was probably hired too early, but to say he is terrible when in every way he was superior to Rex is laughable. As for Rex being an established coordinator, there was so much talent on that Ravens team that they were very successful before and after Rex.

I have no love for Mangini, and had no problem with him being fired, but it amazes me when Rex lovers talk about how great Rex is, while saying how terrible Mangini was, its really laughable.

No one is saying that Rex is great. This is a myth that lives in the minds of those who hate him, but has no basis in reality. 

This thread is about Mangini, who is an awful coach. He's superior to no one. 

[Savage69]

 

Mangini had the same number of winning seasons as Rex did with the Jets, in half of the years. Mangini was in the process of changing from an ill advised 4-3 defense, to a 3-4 defense. Rex had the luxury of walking into that change. Mangini also never had the luxury of having 2 teams lay down in one of those winning seasons. If Mangini was terrible, Rex was worse than terrible. Mangini was a 35 year old kid, who was probably hired too early, but to say he is terrible when in every way he was superior to Rex is laughable. As for Rex being an established coordinator, there was so much talent on that Ravens team that they were very successful before and after Rex.

There have been MANY established coordinators who sucked as HC's, Rex is just another in the very long list.

I have no love for Mangini, and had no problem with him being fired, but it amazes me when Rex lovers talk about how great Rex is, while saying how terrible Mangini was, its really laughable.

And how many playoff games did he win?? And his QB's were Chad who was already there and a future HOF QB with Favre.. Rex wasn't great but he did more then many others did..

[munchmemory]

Res ipsa loquitur. The guy went on to be a disaster in Cleveland and hasn't been remotely considered for another HC job since. Pretty sure we made the right call on that one. 

[BowlesMovement]

No one is saying that Rex is great. This is a myth that lives in the minds of those who hate him, but has no basis in reality. 

This thread is about Mangini, who is an awful coach. He's superior to no one. 

OK, Mangini was the best of our prior 3 coaches. Too early to tell about Bowles, but Mangini was far superior to Herm and Rex. 

[Savage69]

OK, Mangini was the best of our prior 3 coaches. Too early to tell about Bowles, but Mangini was far superior to Herm and Rex. 

He was superior to Coaches that won playoff games?? Come back to reality..

[BowlesMovement]

And how many playoff games did he win?? And his QB's were Chad who was already there and a future HOF QB with Favre.. Rex wasn't great but he did more then many others did..

Again, to compare the team that Rex took over to the team Mangini took over is laughable. As for Chad, he sucked, and was hurt in Manginis second season. Favre was Favre in name only in 08, he had a few decent games in the middle of the season, but was worse than Mangini's defense down the stretch when it mattered most, and was too selfish to sit because of his streak. Mangini had a plan, it was going to take time, Rex was the beneficiary of that plan.

Firing Mangini after 08 was so fn stupid. You hire a young kid who needs to learn how to be a HC and mature, he has 2 of 3 winning seasons, rebuilding an awful team that Herm leftover, and then you fire him and hire Mr. Potato head. That is why we are the Jets.

[BowlesMovement]

He was superior to Coaches that won playoff games?? Come back to reality..

 

Yes, in every way..... Barry Switzer won a SB, Mangini was better than him too. The ones who need to come back to reality are the ones who hang on to this notion that Rex was in any way a good HC.

[#27TheDominator]

No one is saying that Rex is great. This is a myth that lives in the minds of those who hate him, but has no basis in reality. 

This thread is about Mangini, who is an awful coach. He's superior to no one. 

Charlie Winner?

[slats]

OK, Mangini was the best of our prior 3 coaches. Too early to tell about Bowles, but Mangini was far superior to Herm and Rex. 

After a winning season with the team Herm built, he went 5-16 the rest of his career here when he was without a healthy Brett Favre. He had one playoff appearance, and was one & done. Chad and Brett were far superior QBs to Mark Sanchez, who won four playoff games under Rex. 

Rex is flawed. He's a loudmouth. He hasn't demonstrated an ability to learn from his past mistakes in his new job in Buffalo. And yet, he's still head & shoulders above Eric Mangini, one of the very worst head coaches in team history. For all your unbridled Rex hate, the man still achieved more success here than any coach not named Weeb. 

[slats]

Charlie Winner?

You'd have to go to Winner, Holtz, or Kotite to find worse. Amongst coaches who lasted three years or more, he stands alone. 

[Savage69]

Again, to compare the team that Rex took over to the team Mangini took over is laughable. As for Chad, he sucked, and was hurt in Manginis second season. Favre was Favre in name only in 08, he had a few decent games in the middle of the season, but was worse than Mangini's defense down the stretch when it mattered most, and was too selfish to sit because of his streak. Mangini had a plan, it was going to take time, Rex was the beneficiary of that plan.

Firing Mangini after 08 was so fn stupid. You hire a young kid who needs to learn how to be a HC and mature, he has 2 of 3 winning seasons, rebuilding an awful team that Herm leftover, and then you fire him and hire Mr. Potato head. That is why we are the Jets.

A good coach would have sat Favre when he was hurt and put in the QB he selected in the 2006 draft named Clemens.. But Mangini was to weak to do that..Mangini had a plan that got him fired with the Browns as well not to mention he was hated when he painted over murals of Jim Brown and other former great Brown players..

[jetrider]

Again, to compare the team that Rex took over to the team Mangini took over is laughable. As for Chad, he sucked, and was hurt in Manginis second season. Favre was Favre in name only in 08, he had a few decent games in the middle of the season, but was worse than Mangini's defense down the stretch when it mattered most, and was too selfish to sit because of his streak. Mangini had a plan, it was going to take time, Rex was the beneficiary of that plan.

Firing Mangini after 08 was so fn stupid. You hire a young kid who needs to learn how to be a HC and mature, he has 2 of 3 winning seasons, rebuilding an awful team that Herm leftover, and then you fire him and hire Mr. Potato head. That is why we are the Jets.

NFL HC is no entry level job. 

[nyjunc]

 

Mangini had the same number of winning seasons as Rex did with the Jets, in half of the years. Mangini was in the process of changing from an ill advised 4-3 defense, to a 3-4 defense. Rex had the luxury of walking into that change. Mangini also never had the luxury of having 2 teams lay down in one of those winning seasons. If Mangini was terrible, Rex was worse than terrible. Mangini was a 35 year old kid, who was probably hired too early, but to say he is terrible when in every way he was superior to Rex is laughable. As for Rex being an established coordinator, there was so much talent on that Ravens team that they were very successful before and after Rex.

There have been MANY established coordinators who sucked as HC's, Rex is just another in the very long list.

I have no love for Mangini, and had no problem with him being fired, but it amazes me when Rex lovers talk about how great Rex is, while saying how terrible Mangini was, its really laughable.

how many playoff wins? and Mangini's 9-7 season came when we had the weakest sched possibly ever and no Tom Brady around.  rex led a team into Foxboro and beat a Brady led team in the div rd of the playoffs(their only home div rd loss w/ Brady by the way), mangini led us to losing to NE in Matt Cassell's first start since HS in our home opener.

if leading us to 2 title games is sucking then I sure hope Bowles sucks too.

[Savage69]

how many playoff wins? and Mangini's 9-7 season came when we had the weakest sched possibly ever and no Tom Brady around.  rex led a team into Foxboro and beat a Brady led team in the div rd of the playoffs(their only home div rd loss w/ Brady by the way), mangini led us to losing to NE in Matt Cassell's first start since HS in our home opener.

if leading us to 2 title games is sucking then I sure hope Bowles sucks too.

Some can't separate Rex's bombastic personality from what he did with the Jets.. Yes he was a big mouth just like many posters here are,but he was a fun ride for awhile.. Bowles is more in line with what most establishment NFL HC's sound like.. His sideline demeanor looks a lot like Tom Landry..

[nyjunc]

Some can't separate Rex's bombastic personality from what he did with the Jets.. Yes he was a big mouth just like many posters here are,but he was a fun ride for awhile.. Bowles is more in line with what most establishment NFL HC's sound like.. His sideline demeanor looks a lot like Tom Landry..

it just amazes me how Jet fans can bash Rex and praise Mangini.  it's mind boggling.

[#27TheDominator]

You can't hire a coach and expect him to "mature"  The players are not going to respect a guy that has "growing up to do."  It's not like when Mangini grew up, guys like Revis and Mangold weren't going to be around to remember when he was a clueless douchebag.  Unless you advocate giving him generations of players to learn on.  Rex would have had the same problem, though his relationship with the players seemed to border on some kind of strange love rather than respect.

[BowlesMovement]

After a winning season with the team Herm built, he went 5-16 the rest of his career here when he was without a healthy Brett Favre. He had one playoff appearance, and was one & done. Chad and Brett were far superior QBs to Mark Sanchez, who won four playoff games under Rex. 

Rex is flawed. He's a loudmouth. He hasn't demonstrated an ability to learn from his past mistakes in his new job in Buffalo. And yet, he's still head & shoulders above Eric Mangini, one of the very worst head coaches in team history. For all your unbridled Rex hate, the man still achieved more success here than any coach not named Weeb. 

Strongly disagree

[BowlesMovement]

A good coach would have sat Favre when he was hurt and put in the QB he selected in the 2006 draft named Clemens.. But Mangini was to weak to do that..Mangini had a plan that got him fired with the Browns as well not to mention he was hated when he painted over murals of Jim Brown and other former great Brown players..

LOL, Favre had much more power than Mangini did, Woody NEVER would have allowed that.

[BowlesMovement]

how many playoff wins? and Mangini's 9-7 season came when we had the weakest sched possibly ever and no Tom Brady around.  rex led a team into Foxboro and beat a Brady led team in the div rd of the playoffs(their only home div rd loss w/ Brady by the way), mangini led us to losing to NE in Matt Cassell's first start since HS in our home opener.

if leading us to 2 title games is sucking then I sure hope Bowles sucks too.

Rex lucked his ass off his first two seasons with a very talented team. Since then, his luck has regressed to the mean, and he has shown what he really is, a bad HC.

[BowlesMovement]

Some can't separate Rex's bombastic personality from what he did with the Jets.. Yes he was a big mouth just like many posters here are,but he was a fun ride for awhile.. Bowles is more in line with what most establishment NFL HC's sound like.. His sideline demeanor looks a lot like Tom Landry..

LOL, Rex took a talented team, and ran it thoroughly into the ground over a 6 year period trying to recreate the 85 Bears, which he never came close to doing.

Its actually the Rex lovers who love his bombastic personality and can't see past how fkng lucky he got in his first two seasons to look beyond what a bad HC he is.

[BowlesMovement]

You can't hire a coach and expect him to "mature"  The players are not going to respect a guy that has "growing up to do."  It's not like when Mangini grew up, guys like Revis and Mangold weren't going to be around to remember when he was a clueless douchebag.  Unless you advocate giving him generations of players to learn on.  Rex would have had the same problem, though his relationship with the players seemed to border on some kind of strange love rather than respect.

I agree with this, I thought Mangini was hired way too early.

[BowlesMovement]

it just amazes me how Jet fans can bash Rex and praise Mangini.  it's mind boggling.

Saying Mangini was a better HC than Rex is not praising Mangini. Rex is a bad HC, Mangini does not need to be great or even good to be better than Rex.

[T0mShane]

 

Oh. Word? 

[nyjunc]

Rex lucked his ass off his first two seasons with a very talented team. Since then, his luck has regressed to the mean, and he has shown what he really is, a bad HC.

yep, all you need is luck to make an AFC title game w/ a rookie up and down QB and all you need is luck to make back to back title games.  In our history we have been to 4, half of those came under rex.  what luck!

[nyjunc]

Saying Mangini was a better HC than Rex is not praising Mangini. Rex is a bad HC, Mangini does not need to be great or even good to be better than Rex.

to think mangini is better is incredulous enough as it is, the man couldn't win w/ the weakest sched we ever had, no Tom Brady around and a HOF QB on his team yet he's better than Rex.

[BowlesMovement]

to think mangini is better is incredulous enough as it is, the man couldn't win w/ the weakest sched we ever had, no Tom Brady around and a HOF QB on his team yet he's better than Rex.

Yes, significantly better than Rex, not even really close, and Mangini was not good.

[T0mShane]

BowlesMovement committing homicide in the thread. Strong contender for 2016 JN Captain.

[BowlesMovement]

yep, all you need is luck to make an AFC title game w/ a rookie up and down QB and all you need is luck to make back to back title games.  In our history we have been to 4, half of those came under rex.  what luck!

How has Rex done since going to those back to back AFC title games?

[#27TheDominator]

Mangini had a real NT, a generational talent at CB for 16 games and managed to be 18th in points allowed and 16th in yards. Defensive mastermind!  Mangenius!

[nyjunc]

Yes, significantly better than Rex, not even really close, and Mangini was not good.

[Savage69]

Rex lucked his ass off his first two seasons with a very talented team. Since then, his luck has regressed to the mean, and he has shown what he really is, a bad HC.

The good players that were on when Rex took over was Brick,Mangold,Revis and Harris.. Pouha was considered a bust and Mike Devito never started a game under Mangini.. Kris Jenkins played a total of 7 games in 2 years for Rex and Ellis was on the team since 2000.. Look Herm Edwards wasn't a big favorite of mine but I give him credit for some good runs winning the East when Brady was playing and the 41-0 smack down of Peytons Colts in the playoffs..Rex had a number 1 running team plus the number 1 D.. You don't talk football,instead like Tom Shane you just post Rex hate.. Do you think if Idzik was the GM this year Bowles would have gone 10-6 this season?? BTW who did Bowles lose 2 games to??? LOL

[BowlesMovement]

Mangini had a real NT, a generational talent at CB for 16 games and managed to be 18th in points allowed and 16th in yards. Defensive mastermind!  Mangenius!

Actually, he was not a defensive mastermind at all, but its looking like Rex is nothing close to a defensive mastermind either. How he took the number 4 defense and did what he did to it this year proved that.