Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, afosomf said: well cam brought carolina to SB. they sucked before him Cam is a fine QB that does a lot of things well. The well worn mantra that a QB brings teams by himself to the promised land or into the dumpster is faulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, Beerfish said: Cam is a fine QB that does a lot of things well. The well worn mantra that a QB brings teams by himself to the promised land or into the dumpster is faulty. ummm look at cam's supporting cast Ginn old cotch philly brown... come on mon 15-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, afosomf said: bamas def has 3 1st rounders this yr, and another 3 next yr What's your point? Alabama defensive players have kind of underachieved in the NFL. Solid players but no stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 43 minutes ago, bitonti said: a QB in the 2017 draft. That will be hitting his prime in 2020. I can't live like that. Dude it's been 46 years. What's 3 more to actual have a legitimate shot for the next 10-15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: What's your point? Alabama defensive players have kind of underachieved in the NFL. Solid players but no stars aside from milliner who has under achieved? Baron led rams in tackles, Jackson and Kirkpatrick starting CBS Mosely DROY Dareus a stud before rexey The point is Watson played very well vs a defense that will probably have all 11 players drafted to NFL, with 6 of them being 1st rounders. watson is a STUD and I despise clemsoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, afosomf said: ummm look at cam's supporting cast Ginn old cotch philly brown... come on mon 15-1 ALL WORLD DEFENSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Beerfish said: ALL WORLD DEFENSE dude look at cam's stats, Car is good def not great. their secondary outside of norman suks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, afosomf said: dude look at cam's stats, Car is good def not great. their secondary outside of norman suks too 4th vs the run, 11th vs the pass, 6th in sacks, 6th in yds per game, 6th in points per game, 1st in ints, tied for 1st in forced fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 36 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Dude it's been 46 years. What's 3 more to actual have a legitimate shot for the next 10-15? the Jets have to go 0-16 for this plan to work by the way. They can't win a dam game. This team is too talented for that kind of collapse. Even with a Geno/Petty they will still win just enough to avoid the top pick and by the way Cam Newton is 6-6 260 i.e. a tight end in a QB's body. The kid from Clemson can't take a Cam level beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, bitonti said: the Jets have to go 0-16 for this plan to work by the way. They can't win a dam game. This team is too talented for that kind of collapse. Even with a Geno/Petty they will still win just enough to avoid the top pick and by the way Cam Newton is 6-6 260 i.e. a tight end in a QB's body. The kid from Clemson can't take a Cam level beating. the clemson kid is way ahead of cam as a pocket passer at same age. Throws dimes all over field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, afosomf said: the clemson kid is way ahead of cam as a pocket passer at same age. Throws dimes all over field that's great but the bottom line is there's 16 games to play in 2016, there's no college prospect worth losing out. Not even Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 minute ago, bitonti said: that's great but the bottom line is there's 16 games to play in 2016, there's no college prospect worth losing out. Not even Andrew Luck. disagree without a stud you have no chance of winning SB. and most of these studs go in 1st 5 picks. other option is to cheat like patsy's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, afosomf said: disagree without a stud you have no chance of winning SB. and most of these studs go in 1st 5 picks. other option is to cheat like patsy's That's not even his point. Plus, that's a interesting statement to make after THIS year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Honestly, I don't know what team would want to sign Fitz in the first place. Fitz is the type of QB that you say "He's not going to carry us totally, but if we put a solid team around him, we can compete", The only team I see close to that situation are the Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'd rather see what Geno can do than pay Fitz more than $13-14 million a year for two years. If he sucks he's gone next year anyway, and if he's good then he's good. Color me indifferent about seeing Fitz leave. I just want to see a good haul in the draft (hopefully that includes a QB), and good value once again in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Honestly, I don't know what team would want to sign Fitz in the first place. Fitz is the type of QB that you say "He's not going to carry us totally, but if we put a solid team around him, we can compete", The only team I see close to that situation are the Rams the Jets fit this description to a tee. the Texans would take him back no questions asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 minute ago, BroadwayJets said: I'd rather see what Geno can do we know what Geno can do. it's not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, bitonti said: we know what Geno can do. it's not much Agreed, but I'm not expecting another 10-6 season, especially if we can't trade Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, bitonti said: the Texans would take him back no questions asked After a division title? If they looked to switch, they would be prisoners of the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: After a division title? If they looked to switch, they would be prisoners of the moment Everyone hates Hoyer. They are starting Tom Savage right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 hours ago, BowlesMovement said: The Bradford deal seems insane on the surface, but I look at it more as a creative application of the Franchise Tag. If the Eagles tagged Bradford, they give him ~$19mil. Instead, they gave him ~$22mil, BUT, if he plays well next year, they can re-franchise him again next year, and in neither year do they use their one franchise tag. For that flexibility, they paid an extra $3 mil. If you think about it from that perspective, its not a terrible deal. I personally don't think much of Bradford at all, and think Fitz is better, but I also realize that QB's don't fall on trees, and this allows them to see if the real Bradford was the 1st half Bradford, or the 2nd half Bradford, and adjust accordingly, without a long term commitment, and without killing them this year, where they are not winning a SB either way. I think its a far smarter deal than people are giving credit for. I also don't think this is an apples to apples basis Eagles should have let his scrub ass go and rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 hours ago, afosomf said: well cam brought carolina to SB. they sucked before him Just as they sucked with him. Doesnt mean much, the team helped too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 hours ago, afosomf said: disagree without a stud you have no chance of winning SB. and most of these studs go in 1st 5 picks. other option is to cheat like patsy's Actually not so true. Playoff teams were lead by Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Hoyer, Dalton, Cousins, Bridgewater & Wilson. None went 1 - 5. Dont have to be lead by a top 5 QB. It's too much of a crap shoot to tank a season for just about anyone. Everyone wanted to tank for R Bush. Others. And nothing worse than believe you know what a. Plebe player will do in the NFL a year before he's even eligible to draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: Actually not so true. Playoff teams were lead by Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Hoyer, Dalton, Cousins, Bridgewater & Wilson. None went 1 - 5. Dont have to be lead by a top 5 QB. It's too much of a crap shoot to tank a season for just about anyone. Everyone wanted to tank for R Bush. Others. And nothing worse than believe you know what a. Plebe player will do in the NFL a year before he's even eligible to draft. Brady pats cheated Brees won 1 SB Hoyer has done and won nothing Cousins ditto Rodgers 1st rd pick in twenties, sat 3 yrs behind favre before starting Bridgewater has a long way to go Wilson an anomoly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 1 hour ago, afosomf said: Brady pats cheated Brees won 1 SB Hoyer has done and won nothing Cousins ditto Rodgers 1st rd pick in twenties, sat 3 yrs behind favre before starting Bridgewater has a long way to go Wilson an anomoly Point was these are playoff QB's or SB winners, who werent top 5 picks playing in the NFL today. Makes no difference that your statement was shot down by the list. You'lll come up with excuses why these QBs, not top 5 picks, only one a first round pick, didnt really win a SB or to my point, make the playoffs this year. lol, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 On 3/1/2016 at 2:18 PM, JETSfaninNE said: Rich Cimini @RichCimini 43m43 minutes ago Sam Bradford re-signs with Philly (2 yrs/$36M), Kirk Cousins tagged. So Brock Osweiler, Ryan Fitzpatrick top FA QBs. #nyj Ouch, looks like Fitz will get north of 10M I'm guessing. How the HELL does Bradford keep hoodwinking people out of their money??? The guy has cashed $77 million in paychecks before this deal. And for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 37 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Point was these are playoff QB's or SB winners, who werent top 5 picks playing in the NFL today. Makes no difference that your statement was shot down by the list. You'lll come up with excuses why these QBs, not top 5 picks, only one a first round pick, didnt really win a SB or to my point, make the playoffs this year. lol, ok the end game is to win a SB not to just make playoffs, dalton has made playoffs and has yet to win 1 playoff game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, afosomf said: the end game is to win a SB not to just make playoffs, dalton has made playoffs and has yet to win 1 playoff game Which is you once again staying away from the idea you put out there that you had to have a top QB and they tend to be top 5 picks. And the list of SB winners and playoff QBs from a year ago say differently. You can spin it all you want, who cares about what counts, that wasnt your comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Am I the only draft guy who likes Brad Kaaya more than DeShaun Watson for next year??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just now, Mogglez said: Am I the only draft guy who likes Brad Kaaya more than DeShaun Watson for next year??? Nah, there are a couple that feel the same way. I personally prefer Watson, but Kaaya has a ton of potential too. I think he's gonna be really good. I also like Chad Kelly out of Ole Miss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 11 hours ago, Rangers9 said: Is Fitz worth about an extra $10 mil (the possible difference between his asking price and the Jets bottom line) considering that we have no other viable option at Qb and we probably have the personnel to make a run at the playoffs. The last time Fitz got a big contract with the Bills he didn't play up to it. I guess it all depends on other offers. Would another team try to drive up his price to the 15 mil per season plateau. So is making the playoffs worth 10 million if you believe that Fitz gives us our best chance to win. In the scheme of things it's not so much but imo I don't give him that much. Maybe 12 per and incentives. Can you imagine the amount of complaining there will be if the Jets let him walk. Esp if he lights it up with another team and we go with Geno and he sucks. It would make the Idzik non signings look like no big deal. I mean don't think that Mac isn't thinking about that. he knows what and who (Jets fans) he's dealing with. He's not worth any more than we paid him this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 4 hours ago, King P said: Nah, there are a couple that feel the same way. I personally prefer Watson, but Kaaya has a ton of potential too. I think he's gonna be really good. I also like Chad Kelly out of Ole Miss Been following Kaaya since his first snap. That's "my guy" lol. Don't know what it is about him, but I really have this great feeling about him in the pros. Only other guys I felt this strongly about were Teddy and Jameis. Wentz is up there for me as far as this year's concerned. Mentioned that guy waayyyyy back in the draft forum and I'm kinda happy more people having taken notice of him. I actually really like Kelly too. Just want to see him clean up his motion a tinyyyy bit. I think this class and next year's class might be surprisingly strong as far as QB's go. Everyone crowned the 2012 class as the next Rivers/Manning/Ben and that honestly hasn't held up too well. Meanwhile a supposedly "Meh" class in 2014 featuring Bortles/Carr/Bridgewater looks fantastic right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I don't understand the Fitz haters. They seem to take a playoffs or nothing attitude and don't acknowledge that the team was a lot better in 2015 and a key reason was Fitz. When you say to them well we were a +6 under Fitz they find excuses like not having a tough schedule, having better playmakers like Marshall or something like that. They want a franchise Qb or someone like Kap coming off of a terrible year but not a guy who knows our offense and had a lot of success with it. They blame him (only) for losing that game with the Bills. There are no franchise Qbs available. I think that Bradford is better than Fitz but he isn't a franchise Qb. Fitz right now looks like our best bet for 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: I don't understand the Fitz haters. They seem to take a playoffs or nothing attitude and don't acknowledge that the team was a lot better in 2015 and a key reason was Fitz. When you say to them well we were a +6 under Fitz they find excuses like not having a tough schedule, having better playmakers like Marshall or something like that. They want a franchise Qb or someone like Kap coming off of a terrible year but not a guy who knows our offense and had a lot of success with it. They blame him (only) for losing that game with the Bills. There are no franchise Qbs available. I think that Bradford is better than Fitz but he isn't a franchise Qb. Fitz right now looks like our best bet for 2016. I am not a Fitz hater, I have questions about him as we all should but he did a good job for us last year. w/ that said the team was loaded and he wasn't the reason we went from 4-12 to 10-6. we had a dramatic increase in talent which included the most talented O around a Jets QB probably since toon, Walker and Co. we also had a creampuff schedule, that helped us go from 4 to 10 wins but w/ the season on the line against a dead team Fitz came up small. That cannot be ignored. was it all his fault? absolutely not, the D was awful, pretty much everyone besides Marshall was awful but he came up small too. I expect Fitz back, I want him back on a short term basis. Hopefully Petty is developing or we get another QB that can develop under him but I don't know if we can make the playoffs in 2016 w/ Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Look it's true that a Qb is usually as good as his play makers. But there were still a lot of dropped balls and when a guy makes a great play it erases a Qbs inadequacies and wins games. So in that Bills game if a few of his receivers had not dropped balls and if that last play had been caught by Kembrall Thompkins it would be a different story. How many great catches by Clayton and Duper won games for Marino and made him look good. That Bills game was winnable even though Fitz was not good. And all 3 of those picks were in the 4th quarter and two in the last few minutes. He didn't step up, true but either did his receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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