SoFlaJets Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 * players in BOLD are yep, you guessed it Defensive players' names 2016- Darron Lee LB OSU 2015-Leonard Williams DT USC 2014-Calvin Pryor S Louisville 2013-Dee Milner CB Alabama, Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri 2012-Quinton Coples DE North Carolina 2011-Muhammad Wilkerson DL Temple U 2010-Kyle Wilson CB Boise State 2009-Mark Sanchez QB USC 2008-Vernon Gholston DE OSU, Dustin Keller TE Purdue 2007-Darrelle Revis CB Pitt 2006-D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia, Nick Mangold C OSU 2005-NO DRAFT PICK 2004-Jonathan Vilma LB Miami 2003-Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky 2002-Bryan Thomas DE Alabama-Birmingham 2001-Santana Moss WR Miami **: even though Woody Johnson took over the team ownership in January of the year 2000 I think it's pretty clear that Parcells was essentially running the team until just after the 2000 draft INSANITY: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein PK (and yes he WAS a Jet defender back on the early 1960's) I can see 3 skill position players on this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 33 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: * players in BOLD are yep, you guessed it Defensive players' names 2016- Darron Lee LB OSU 2015-Leonard Williams DT USC 2014-Calvin Pryor S Louisville 2013-Dee Milner CB Alabama, Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri 2012-Quinton Coples DE North Carolina 2011-Muhammad Wilkerson DL Temple U 2010-Kyle Wilson CB Boise State 2009-Mark Sanchez QB USC 2008-Vernon Gholston DE OSU, Dustin Keller TE Purdue 2007-Darrelle Revis CB Pitt Amazing that 7 of the 10 defensive players we'vre drafted are still on the roster. That's actually a really good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Hey, defense wins championships, and he's fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 so now we are blaming Woody for our drafts?(by the way, most of those players turned out to be good players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Most of those players were long time Jets and/or players that are still on the team. You draft to get long time contributing football players that make your team better. In recent history the Jets have done well in the first round especially when drafting defense. Under Woody's ownership they haven't found a quarterback and that's not because we passed on any in the draft during the years when we were in the market. If Paxton Lynch turns into Aaron Rodgers then you have something to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I'm not the biggest of Woody fan, but regardless of anyone's opinions on the volume of defensive player picks, I don't see any way you can directly associate this with Woody. For the guy who is allegedly such a clueless owner looking for nothing but big splashes, defenders is absolutely not the way you go, especially at some of the less "exciting" positions like DT. If it was all Woody, you know they would have been all over the likes of Manziel, Lynch, and every other known QB that would have grabbed headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 47 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Amazing that 7 of the 10 defensive players we'vre drafted are still on the roster. That's actually a really good thing. Its also amazing that with all the defense drafted, we have never had a dominating defense. We had a very good defense in 09, and the rest its been above average, but nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 SoFla are you upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 12 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: Its also amazing that with all the defense drafted, we have never had a dominating defense. We had a very good defense in 09, and the rest its been above average, but nothing special. Really? We had a defense that carried Mark friggin Sanchez to the doorstep of the Super Bowl twice. That's pretty friggin' dominant. Not to mention that we've only been outside the top 10 in DVOA twice in the last 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Really? We had a defense that carried Mark friggin Sanchez to the doorstep of the Super Bowl twice. That's pretty friggin' dominant. Not to mention that we've only been outside the top 10 in DVOA twice in the last 7 years. they didn't carry anything. those Ds were very good but not great and they melted in both title games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Woody's a ******* dunce and is directly or indirectly responsible for most of our many pro-personnel blunders, but I actually don't think he interferes in the draft room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 46 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: I'm not the biggest of Woody fan, but regardless of anyone's opinions on the volume of defensive player picks, I don't see any way you can directly associate this with Woody. For the guy who is allegedly such a clueless owner looking for nothing but big splashes, defenders is absolutely not the way you go, especially at some of the less "exciting" positions like DT. If it was all Woody, you know they would have been all over the likes of Manziel, Lynch, and every other known QB that would have grabbed headlines. Seriously, he is blaming Woody for not making the coaches draft "names", and rather letting them draft who they want. That's what you want an owner to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Really? We had a defense that carried Mark friggin Sanchez to the doorstep of the Super Bowl twice. That's pretty friggin' dominant. Not to mention that we've only been outside the top 10 in DVOA twice in the last 7 years. Ehhh, it was very good, but not dominant. 09 was very good, and that along with the very good running game, and an insane amount of luck, carried Mark Sanchez to the doorstep. After 09, the defense was a shell of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Just now, nyjunc said: they didn't carry anything. those Ds were very good but not great and they melted in both title games. Yeah... you're right.... it was all Mark Sanchez.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said: Ehhh, it was very good, but not dominant. 09 was very good, and that along with the very good running game, and an insane amount of luck, carried Mark Sanchez to the doorstep. After 09, the defense was a shell of itself. Actually, we ranked in the top 5 in both '10 and '11.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Just now, Klecko73isGod said: Actually, we ranked in the top 5 in both '10 and '11.... Thats cool, but I watched the games, and those were not dominating defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Just now, BowlesMovement said: Thats cool, but I watched the games, and those were not dominating defenses. OK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Yeah... you're right.... it was all Mark Sanchez.... yep, that's what I said. Nah, the '85 bears D that we had carried the worst QB ever to 2 title games, Mark played no role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said: Thats cool, but I watched the games, and those were not dominating defenses. they weren't, anyone watching knows that. they were dominant at times but truly dominating D's don't blow as many late game leads as those D's blew, don't fail to show in the biggest games(title games) and get our O a chance at the end of the Pitt game rather than allow Pitt to get 2 1st downs to end the game but posters will come back w/ rankings! b/c we know rankings tell us everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Just now, Klecko73isGod said: OK... I can agree to disagree, if you think they were dominating, you are entitled. I disagree, 2009 was an excellent defense, but in 2010 and 11, they were pretty good, but nothing special at all, and had a knack for giving up a drive at the worst possible time, and the offense bailed them out of as many games as they bailed out the offense in 10, again, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said: Actually, we ranked in the top 5 in both '10 and '11.... and this tells us what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, nyjunc said: they weren't, anyone watching knows that. they were dominant at times but truly dominating D's don't blow as many late game leads as those D's blew, don't fail to show in the biggest games(title games) and get our O a chance at the end of the Pitt game rather than allow Pitt to get 2 1st downs to end the game but posters will come back w/ rankings! b/c we know rankings tell us everything. I think if the team had a legitimate pass rush, it would have had a few year run as truly dominating, but it did not. In 09 Rex's blitzes generated a pass rush in almost every game, but in 10 and beyond, his overload blitzes were too often picked up and left people wide open for big plays. I agree, there were times it was dominating, but it was not an overall dominating defense because they lacked the ability to get to the QB consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 For comparison, go look at how many top picks NE spent on D vs. O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 If there's anything Woody SHOULD be blamed for it's been his pushing his GM to surrender draft picks in exchange for circus acts like Tebow to help sell PSLs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 26 minutes ago, peekskill68 said: If there's anything Woody SHOULD be blamed for it's been his pushing his GM to surrender draft picks in exchange for circus acts like Tebow to help sell PSLs... I always love hearing that as if there is a single human on the planet who would buy a worthless PSL based on the jets acquiring a backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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