HessStation Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Too late. hey, @HessStation, want to go fishing this weekend? Yaass! Love To Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Sup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 His upside is "greatest player in NFL history". His downside is "worst player in NFL history". But if you ask me, I feel like he'll end up somewhere in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Another slow edge rusher, the Jets love slow edge rushers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 1:20 PM, T0mShane said: Spence's athletic testing wasn't spectacular, but it was better than Jenkins. To whit, here are a few graphic illustrations of said testing. first, this is what super-freak Von Miller's looks like: Cool Story Bro. have you got Vernon Gholston's there, so we can see how off the charts our All World DE/OLB was.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, Guilhermezmc said: Another slow edge rusher, the Jets love slow edge rushers Pass rushers who can't pass rush are the Jets' specialty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Jenkins was not supposed to be a pass rusher. He was supposed to set the EDGE. A third round version of Bryan Thomas. He should be able to do that. Its that ROLB that is the tricky part for the Jets. That will be an assortment of players until someone shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 2:11 PM, T0mShane said: Meanwhile, this is the guy I wanted to draft: Bucs think fitter, thinner Noah Spence can be a “15-plus sack guy” Michael David Smith 5 hours ago The Buccaneers took defensive end Noah Spence in the second round of last year’s draft and got a solid year out of him, with 5.5 sacks and three forced fumbles. But this year they’re expecting a lot more than just “solid.” Spence played through a shoulder injury last year, but he had surgery to repair the injury immediately after the season and now says he’s going to be in better shape in his second season. Spence weighed in at 251 pounds at last year’s Scouting Combine but says he has now lost about 10 pounds while actually gaining muscle. Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times reports that teammate Robert Ayers is so impressed with what Spence is showing this offseason that he said Spence could be “a 15-plus sack guy” in 2017. Teammate Gerald McCoy added that Spence is ready for a “breakout year.” No one has ever doubted Spence’s talent. He was viewed as a future first-round pick at the start of his college career at Ohio State, but he got kicked off the team for failed drug tests and finished his college career at Eastern Kentucky. The questions about Spence have always been off the field, but Spence now sounds like he’s doing everything right there, including giving up fast food and every liquid other than water. “I feel so much better,” Spence said. The Bucs have to feel very good about the possibilities for a healthy and in-shape Spence in 2017. So you would have taken Spence at pick # 20??? That would have been a reach in practically every pre-draft evaluation. Spence went #38 Hindsight is such a nice convenience to have when criticising a year later. Jenkins was a 3rd and in my estimation will be viewed as a great value pick 4 or 5 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 The rumor was that the Jets had Jenkins graded in the 2nd round as well, and he and Hack were a toss up. If they took Jenkins in the second, they would have definitely taken Hack in the third. but Hack may not have been there in the 3rd (?), so the Jets ended up with the 2 players they wanted in those rounds anyway. I think history will show the 2016 draft as a bad one. Let's see who ends up shining through as its best players per round. No one picked shortly after Lee has shone YET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 4 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: So you would have taken Spence at pick # 20??? That would have been a reach in practically every pre-draft evaluation. Spence went #38 Hindsight is such a nice convenience to have when criticising a year later. Jenkins was a 3rd and in my estimation will be viewed as a great value pick 4 or 5 years from now. The Jets were not picking that kid because of his off the field issues no matter how good he looked or how high he was ranked . Maybe the next regime will draft some thugs so the "I told you so Crowd" can point fingers when they mess up, but this regime is not drafting those type of players . The closest this regime will get to that type of player is a talented prospect with a questionable work ethic who they will take a chance on in the late rounds . The Jets will sign players like Pennell to contracts they can get out of easy if the player steps out of line, but that's about it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 7 hours ago, varjet said: The rumor was that the Jets had Jenkins graded in the 2nd round as well, and he and Hack were a toss up. If they took Jenkins in the second, they would have definitely taken Hack in the third. but Hack may not have been there in the 3rd (?), so the Jets ended up with the 2 players they wanted in those rounds anyway. I think history will show the 2016 draft as a bad one. Let's see who ends up shining through as its best players per round. No one picked shortly after Lee has shone YET. I actually liked the Lee pick and still defend it mostly because of what you said. None of the other players in that part of the draft were good except Hunter Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 8:49 AM, T0mShane said: Don't be salty. I wasn't rebutting you, just pointing out to that dude why Spence wasn't, on paper, a better prospect than Jenkins, Yeah but did you see the "hand size" stat? LOL Von Miller. Tiny hands Miller they used to call him. I'll take Spence and Jenkins with their great big mitts any day. The rest of that stuff is like...subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, sirlancemehlot said: Yeah but did you see the "hand size" stat? LOL Von Miller. Tiny hands Miller they used to call him. I'll take Spence and Jenkins with their great big mitts any day. The rest of that stuff is like...subjective. Don't sass me, Lance. We're on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Don't sass me, Lance. We're on a roll. My Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 8:22 AM, T0mShane said: And Jenkins: And Tom Shane's: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I feel like he got better as the season progressed.... i def feel like he's going to increase his stat line this season... much more than 2.5 sacks... i say he at least doubles it... but possibly somewhere in the 7-8 range maybe? I take into consideration how he finished the season - 2.5 sacks and 1 forced fumble and a good chunk of his 41 tackles. I know i read somewhere that PFF graded him high as a rookie, i think 2nd best rookie pass rusher? (correct me if im wrong there, was something like that). The guy plays hard, has the strength and very high football IQ... i mean he has the tools to take a big leap in his 2nd year. Hopefully I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 9 hours ago, BklynJetsFan85 said: I feel like he got better as the season progressed.... i def feel like he's going to increase his stat line this season... much more than 2.5 sacks... i say he at least doubles it... but possibly somewhere in the 7-8 range maybe? I take into consideration how he finished the season - 2.5 sacks and 1 forced fumble and a good chunk of his 41 tackles. I know i read somewhere that PFF graded him high as a rookie, i think 2nd best rookie pass rusher? (correct me if im wrong there, was something like that). The guy plays hard, has the strength and very high football IQ... i mean he has the tools to take a big leap in his 2nd year. Hopefully I'm right. His 3C tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 On 5/14/2017 at 9:38 AM, thadude said: A JAG OLB who can't sniff the Qb but jets fans somehow rationalize into thinking he's a good player? Jenkins rushing the QB....sniff sniff, whiff whiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 His 3C tho What?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 6 hours ago, BklynJetsFan85 said: What? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app His 3 cone That psycho Tom's whining about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BklynJetsFan85 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 His 3 cone That psycho Tom's whining about He finished the last 4 games with 2.5 sacks, 1 FF, and 17 of his 41 tackles, I don't wanna hear it... at very least he will be a solid 5-7 sack guy a year and someone who can play his role sufficiently, he has a good floor... his ceiling is higher tho, I don't think he's gunna be a superstar, but he will be a starter for a long whileSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 10 hours ago, Powpow said: Jenkins rushing the QB....sniff sniff, whiff whiff. Amazing how Quinton Coples, who had 6.5 sacks as a rookie, is a bust but this guy oh he's great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, thadude said: Amazing how Quinton Coples, who had 6.5 sacks as a rookie, is a bust but this guy oh he's great It's no wonder why this team is so inept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, thadude said: Amazing how Quinton Coples, who had 6.5 sacks as a rookie, is a bust but this guy oh he's great It's amazing how good the Jets are at screwing guys careers/making them worse players. Coples has a good rookie year at DT/DE and they make him drop weight and move him to OLB. They play Richardson, the DROY and Pro Bowler, out of position and in the process destroy any of his trade value. They have Mauldin gain 15 pounds so that he could be more "stout" against the run. They have Brandon Marshall, coming off of a 1500 yard/16 TD year drop 15 pounds so he could be "faster" when the guy's game isn't speed. What in the ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 8 hours ago, detectivekimble said: It's amazing how good the Jets are at screwing guys careers/making them worse players. Coples has a good rookie year at DT/DE and they make him drop weight and move him to OLB. They play Richardson, the DROY and Pro Bowler, out of position and in the process destroy any of his trade value. They have Mauldin gain 15 pounds so that he could be more "stout" against the run. They have Brandon Marshall, coming off of a 1500 yard/16 TD year drop 15 pounds so he could be "faster" when the guy's game isn't speed. What in the ****. Coples was fine. He didn't kiss Bowles' rear end enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 12 hours ago, Powpow said: It's no wonder why this team is so inept. And it's getting worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 3 hours ago, thadude said: Coples was fine. He didn't kiss Bowles' rear end enough Coples was solid, but he was not an OLB. He looked good as a rookie at DT/DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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