Quincy: Hard to argue Jets aren't tanking

[Lil Woody]

This is going to be one hell of an annoying season.  The beaters will be pouring gasoline on the tanking narrative and if we are actually in the running for the #1 pick down the stretch, they will be screaming for NFL reform and demanding the league sanction the Jets for doing it.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

1) Signing OUT OF RETIREMENT and Starting a 36 year old Journeyman QB named Kerry Collins. Once he broke down they started Orlovsky, who WON them 2 games, so they benched him and decided to start Curtis Painter for the rest of the season. CURTIS PAINTER!!! 

2) The GM Chris Polian was fired after that season

3) as was Jim Caldwell. Notable staff members include future coordinatos: Jim Bob Cooter, Frank REich, Ron Turner, and Al Williams. 

Wow. It's amazing you believe this as the history, because it's all incorrect.

They signed Collins because he was a legitimate starting QB (14 TDs, 8 INTs the prior season; hell of a lot better than Josh McCown in 2016) and he was available in August. Name a better QB move for them at that time. If they were purposely tanking, they wouldn't have picked up Collins in the first place and would've just gone right to Painter/Orlovsky.

Next, they didn't "bench" Collins; he got concussed and knocked out of a game, IR'd him while he still had concussion symptoms in October, and that was it for the rest of his career. 

They drafted Painter 2 years earlier, and liked him enough to keep him on their roster those 3 years, but he wasn't getting any real snaps with Peyton Manning. Painter's first 3 starts he had 5 TDs and 1 INT. Then they left him out there for a handful of awful starts after that, giving him the chance to get himself on track in a season that was lost anyway by then, before finally deciding they'd seen enough. THEN they went to Orlovsky for the rest of the season and 2 weeks later THEN they finally put Manning on IR.

Get that? At 0-11 they benched Painter - the QB who was serving them the #1 pick on a silver platter - to hopefully go with a better QB with 5 games remaining, even though there as another 2-win team (St. Louis). 

As it turned out, in the first 2 outings they gave him, Orlovsky wasn't much better than Painter and the only TDs he threw were in garbage time with the losses well in hand. They ended up winning 2 of their last 5 with Orlovsky. In the final loss,  I wasn't watching their final game, but in the 2nd half Orlovsky threw a pick inside his own 10 and fumbled twice on sacks (losing one of them), and they still lost by less than a TD, calling late timeouts so they could hopefully get the ball back with enough time to win.

The alleged strategic tank job by the Colts isn't 1/10 of what the Jets are doing this year. 

[Gastineau Lives]

3 hours ago, Gas2No99 said:

1) Signing OUT OF RETIREMENT and Starting a 36 year old Journeyman QB named Kerry Collins. Once he broke down they started Orlovsky, who WON them 2 games, so they benched him and decided to start Curtis Painter for the rest of the season. CURTIS PAINTER!!! 

2) The GM Chris Polian was fired after that season

3) as was Jim Caldwell. Notable staff members include future coordinatos: Jim Bob Cooter, Frank REich, Ron Turner, and Al Williams. 

Yup Dan Orlovsky! won them the game in Week 16 by going 23 for 41 and scoring a....touchdown. One touchdown. So mean old Irsay told Jim Caldwell to sit Orlovsky!'s awesomeness for the last game of the year knowing full well he was going to fire him and the GM for the disaster he apparently engineered. Makes complete sense. As a matter of fact, I can just imagine him sweating his ass off knowing that Orlovsky! was going to wreck his whole plan as only Orlovsky! can.

Who was available in September for the Colts to get to salvage the season? Name that guy.

[Fantasy Island]

[AFJF]

6 hours ago, C Mart said:

Didn't read the whole article. I like QE. Appreciate at the end of last season how he said he wanted to step up and be a leader this season. However, leaders don't say it looks like we're tanking this season. You shut up, go to work, compete and set a positive tone for your teammates. 

He said he understands why people feel like the team is tanking but players are still going to be playing hard because that's their job.

He never said they were tanking.

[DetroitRed]

You don't win in this league without a franchise QB.  I don't care how we get to the top of the draft next April. By intentionally sucking, or authentically sucking. When the Giants and the Steelers sucked to land Eli and Ben, nobody asked how they got there. And those two guys are the main reasons they have been winners the last decade or so.  Get me a QB next spring, whichever way you want.  You guys can argue the details

[#27TheDominator]

3 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

You don't win in this league without a franchise QB.  I don't care how we get to the top of the draft next April. By intentionally sucking, or authentically sucking. When the Giants and the Steelers sucked to land Eli and Ben, nobody asked how they got there. And those two guys are the main reasons they have been winners the last decade or so.  Get me a QB next spring, whichever way you want.  You guys can argue the details

The Jets record has been as bad or worse than the 2003 Steelers three out of the past five seasons.  Did anybody ask how we go there?  

[bitonti]

the team is not allowed to do anything entertaining until Woody gets back from England. 

[C Mart]

10 hours ago, AFJF said:

He said he understands why people feel like the team is tanking but players are still going to be playing hard because that's their job.

He never said they were tanking.

K. I based it on the thread title.  Thnx. 

[AFJF]

44 minutes ago, C Mart said:

K. I based it on the thread title.  Thnx. 

No sweat.  We've all been there.

[EM31]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

the team is not allowed to do anything entertaining until Woody gets back from England. 

Which begs the question of what was holding them back before he left?

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, EM31 said:

Which begs the question of what was holding them back before he left?

this is the type of snide comment that people make BEFORE a 1-15 season. We honestly don't remember what it's like to be as bad as they are about to be. IT's Rich Kotite territory.

The Jets have not won a ring in the last 50 years but they usually try. And it is usually entertaining... in the way that the GoT or Walking dead is entertaining when your favorite character dies. 

What we are going to see this year won't even be that. 

[Villain The Foe]

On 7/17/2017 at 3:26 PM, j4jets said:

Entering the 2017 season, Jets fans have already resigned themselves to the fact that their favorite football team won't win many games. New York receiver Quincy Enunwa was blunt when talking about the Jets tanking this season. 

"It's hard to argue [with] that," Enunwa told the New York Post, "when everybody else sees all the stuff that's going on." 

The Jets have jettisoned nearly every veteran contract, including Eric Decker, David Harris, Nick Mangold, Brandon Marshall, Darrelle Revis and others. 

Despite the overhaul that leaves Gang Green with little optimism heading into the season, young players like Enunwa must forge forward with a mindset to control what they can control. 

"It hasn't so much changed my mindset," Enunwa said. "A lot of the guys just want to win. Whatever it takes. I know they cut some guys obviously, but that's the business. 

"I don't think any player is going to tank. Our jobs are on the line. Our families [depend on us]. We're out there to work and get our paycheck and win games. People are always going to say that kind of stuff, but we're just going to play." 

It's the Jets front office that is tanking the season, not the players or coaching staff. While the general manager has taken a course in hopes to better set up the franchise for the long-term, young players like Enunwa can't have a tanker's mindset and hope to keep a job long. 

Jets players will battle like always, even if they've been set up to fail in 2017. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000820194/article/quincy-enunwa-hard-to-argue-jets-arent-trying-to-tank

I thought this is what Jets fans wanted? 

[EM31]

29 minutes ago, bitonti said:

this is the type of snide comment that people make BEFORE a 1-15 season. We honestly don't remember what it's like to be as bad as they are about to be. IT's Rich Kotite territory.

The Jets have not won a ring in the last 50 years but they usually try. And it is usually entertaining... in the way that the GoT or Walking dead is entertaining when your favorite character dies. 

What we are going to see this year won't even be that. 

That Jets team had 6-8 win talent on the roster and it took a really spectacular effort from Rich Kotite to pull of 1-15.

Parcells was no fool.  He knew that even before his wheeling and dealing that he could bring up the level of the team based on the guys they already had.

In any event this approach has not been tried before by us and frankly it is worth a shot.  Clean bad contracts off the books.  Give the kids and look and draft very high next year when (hopefully) some real gems may be available.

 

Edited to add:  Even if it ends up at 1-15 there will still be some parts of the team that will be worth watching.  The DL, the young receivers and the somewhat retooled secondary for a start.

[j4jets]

8 minutes ago, EM31 said:

That Jets team had 6-8 win talent on the roster and it took a really spectacular effort from Rich Kotite to pull of 1-15.

Parcells was no fool.  He knew that even before his wheeling and dealing that he could bring up the level of the team based on the guys they already had.

In any event this approach has not been tried before by us and frankly it is worth a shot.  Clean bad contracts off the books.  Give the kids and look and draft very high next year when (hopefully) some real gems may be available.

 

Edited to add:  Even if it ends up at 1-15 there will still be some parts of the team that will be worth watching.  The DL, the young receivers and the somewhat retooled secondary for a start.

We've had house cleanups in the past as well. Can't remember who the HC was or the year, but it was early in the 2000s when we let go several high priced vets, mostly due to cap trouble (speaking of Tuna). 

[#27TheDominator]

47 minutes ago, bitonti said:

this is the type of snide comment that people make BEFORE a 1-15 season. We honestly don't remember what it's like to be as bad as they are about to be. IT's Rich Kotite territory.

The Jets have not won a ring in the last 50 years but they usually try. And it is usually entertaining... in the way that the GoT or Walking dead is entertaining when your favorite character dies. 

What we are going to see this year won't even be that. 

You weren't entertained by the David Norrie era?

[nyjunc]

59 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

You weren't entertained by the David Norrie era?

I wonder if Norrie could compete for the starting job this year?  I guess he was born too soon.

[j4jets]

19 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

I thought this is what Jets fans wanted? 

Leagues worst roster in the third year of the GM?

[Villain The Foe]

3 hours ago, j4jets said:

Leagues worst roster in the third year of the GM?

"To complain"

[thadude]

3 hours ago, j4jets said:

Leagues worst roster in the third year of the GM?

Yeah but that's all Idzik's fault

[j4jets]

3 hours ago, thadude said:

Yeah but that's all Idzik's fault

And the new GM. This GM (Garbage Man?) barely inherited high draft picks and one third of the salary cap with hardly a top 5 DL. But yeah, the Garbage Man has done well here.