Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I really don't see the signifigance if Bettis wins it all this season, just like with Bagwell. If Pittsburgh wins, Bettis could have 24 rushes for 37 yards and win the MVP. Sorry, Bettis isnt a Hall of Famer either. I'd put Terrell Davis in before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 they are OVER HYPING THIS FAT AZZ....i cant take it anymore.. god i hope seattle wins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 they are OVER HYPING THIS FAT AZZ....i cant take it anymore.. god i hope seattle wins.... Nothing against Bettis, I don't mind the guy. It's just the guy had like 4 good seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 he's the only guy i know that'll get less than 40 yards a game and people kiss his ass....he'll have 10 carries for 3 yards and 1 TD ...and he's god..LOL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 G RushYdsY/GAvgTD RecYdsY/GAvgLngYAC1stDTD FumFumL 192 34791366271.23.991 20014497.57.2348.2523 3722 Those are Jerome's career numbers. I'm not exactly sure of where he ranks, all time, but those numbers aren't that bad. Yeah, the recent glory holing of him has been, well, a bit disgusting.... but he's still had a very productive career. That being said, I'm not sure if that's Hall of Fame worthy or not. While he doesn't inspire Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, or Walter Payton... his numbers and what he's done certainly compare to others who have been enshrined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Those are Jerome's career numbers. I'm not exactly sure of where he ranks, all time, but those numbers aren't that bad. Yeah, the recent glory holing of him has been, well, a bit disgusting.... but he's still had a very productive career. That being said, I'm not sure if that's Hall of Fame worthy or not. While he doesn't inspire Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, or Walter Payton... his numbers and what he's done certainly compare to others who have been enshrined. True. Bettis doesn't have bad numbers by any means. I just never saw the guy as one of those where the opposing coach was "we have to stop him." He's been in the league since what, 92? I just don't see him as a HOF'er. And they pretty much talk as if he's a lock. Curtis Martin had a much better career than Bettis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hate to disagree with you guys, but Bettis is a first ballot HOF'er. And yes, opposing defenses do implement schemes to stop the big guy...maybe not as much as previous years, but it's all about stopping the run tomorrow if I'm the Hawks first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Bettis is proving that longevity in the NFL is an asset to get into the Hall Of Fame. He has the numbers compiled over many years to show up high on career rushing list. The question becomes to me-was he so extraordinary above all running backs in his entire career- and the answer is no so you make a good point matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Bettis is proving that longevity in the NFL is an asset to get into the Hall Of Fame. He has the numbers compiled over many years to show up high on career rushing list. The question becomes to me-was he so extraordinary above all running backs in his entire career- and the answer is no so you make a good point matt Nice post Faba. If you can play for a while, it helps your cause. Actually, Bettis taking the beating that he has for so long is impressive. The guy can barely walk M-F. I just dont think he's best seasons are HOF worthy. Take TD'S best 4 seasons against Jerome's and its pretty lopsided. I dont think TD should be in the HOF either, I'd just put him in before the Bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Well, as it's been said in another thread, it's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Great or Hall of Very Good. If you're famous, you're going to get in. Jerome had a very long career, which does help. And he will finish as a Steeler, which will help, in some odd way. I wouldn't put him in, myself. I prefere the Hall of Fame to actually be a Hall for the greatest ever... not the Hall of very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Well, as it's been said in another thread, it's the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of Great or Hall of Very Good. If you're famous, you're going to get in. Jerome had a very long career, which does help. And he will finish as a Steeler, which will help, in some odd way. I wouldn't put him in, myself. I prefere the Hall of Fame to actually be a Hall for the greatest ever... not the Hall of very good. You can look at Bettis in the same light as Monk, except he had a cool nickname and played for the Steelers. So that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 You can look at Bettis in the same light as Monk, except he had a cool nickname and played for the Steelers. So that helps. And he had a nice lil story to finish his career... playing to win a ring in his hometown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 And he had a nice lil story to finish his career... playing to win a ring in his hometown. Yep. That too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Hate to disagree with you guys, but Bettis is a first ballot HOF'er. And yes, opposing defenses do implement schemes to stop the big guy...maybe not as much as previous years, but it's all about stopping the run tomorrow if I'm the Hawks first and foremost. At this point in his career, he's mostly the goal line and short yardage back. He gets to pound it up in there with everybody knowing he's getting it. The guy does his job well. Just look at his success rate on those plays. He even took a paycut the last 2 years so the team could stay under the cap. He's respectful and ALL class. First ballot hall of famer for sure. I'll be there when he goes into the hall. I can see why some people are tired of hearing his story too. If ya don't like him, thats fine. But if people blatantly dis-respect him they are insulting all of football IMO. Ya don't see Jerome dealing drugs out of his trunk or getting into bar fights, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 At this point in his career, he's mostly the goal line and short yardage back. He gets to pound it up in there with everybody knowing he's getting it. The guy does his job well. Just look at his success rate on those plays. He even took a paycut the last 2 years so the team could stay under the cap. He's respectful and ALL class. First ballot hall of famer for sure. I'll be there when he goes into the hall. I can see why some people are tired of hearing his story too. If ya don't like him, thats fine. But if people blatantly dis-respect him they are insulting all of football IMO. Ya don't see Jerome dealing drugs out of his trunk or getting into bar fights, etc. Yeah, but that doesn't make him an all time great. We're not trying to slam or pile on Jerome. Far from it. I posted his numbers, and they look ok... but they don't make him an all time great. It's not the hall of very good. It's the Hall of Fame... for the all time greats. I just don't consider Jerome Bettis an all time great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Ya don't see Jerome dealing drugs out of his trunk or getting into bar fights, etc. Or forcing himself on women..uhh well apart from that he's ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Yeah, but that doesn't make him an all time great. We're not trying to slam or pile on Jerome. Far from it. I posted his numbers, and they look ok... but they don't make him an all time great. It's not the hall of very good. It's the Hall of Fame... for the all time greats. I just don't consider Jerome Bettis an all time great. Good post. I guess i have different standards. When i look at HOF RB's i try to judge em' by their "prime years". Some players have more prime years than others IMO. Take Curtis Martin, for example. I would put him ahead of Jerome because, IMO, he had more and better prime years. For a few year stretch, that guy was AWESOME. Jerome had maybe 4 prime years IMO. Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders had 6-8 years each, so i would consider them better RB's. But thats not saying that Jerome doesn't deserve the HOF as well though. He knew when his prime years were over. He openly admitted it. He took on a lesser role with less pay too. He's not gonna tell anyone he's one of the best ever. What he probably would say is that he made the most of his opportunities though. And that, he did as well as anybody. Thats why he'll be in Canton IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 There are alot of HOF members who do not have great numbers. Bettis is a first ballot lock to get in, just as Martin is as well. Neither of them are close to the all time greats, but that is a different matter entirely. As far as the glory holing, I am proud to say I have not watched ESPN even once these past 2 weeks. The only thing I plan to watch is the game and none of the verbal diarrhea that precedes or follows the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Another thing i'd like to add is that RB is a very tough position to play for so many years. Thats why it bothers me to see people being hard on guys like Jerome and Curtis Martin. The physical pounding these guys have taken over the course of their careers warrants our full respect IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 he's the only guy i know that'll get less than 40 yards a game and people kiss his ass. You mean like CuMar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 You mean like CuMar? Tx, whats your opinion on Bettis? Im interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Matt, let me ask you something. Do you think Joe Namath has HOF numbers? Forget the SB for a second...just on numbers alone because that's what you're comparing Bettis to and that's the upper echelon of running backs. So, compare Joe's numbers with the upper teir QB's in the HOF and tell me if you think he deserves to be in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Matt, let me ask you something. Do you think Joe Namath has HOF numbers? Forget the SB for a second...just on numbers alone because that's what you're comparing Bettis to and that's the upper echelon of running backs. So, compare Joe's numbers with the upper teir QB's in the HOF and tell me if you think he deserves to be in? Not to speak for Matt or anything, but I don't consider Joe Namath an all time great, myself. So, he wouldn't be in my Hall of Fame. But, I can see Jerome Bettis getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Like it's been stated by others, you don't need great numbers to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Not to speak for Matt or anything, but I don't consider Joe Namath an all time great, myself. So, he wouldn't be in my Hall of Fame. But, I can see Jerome Bettis getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Like it's been stated by others, you don't need great numbers to get in. Thanks Storm, my sentiments exactly...by the way, the hell with the Lions taking a QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Say what you will, Jerome Bettis is a sure-fired HOFer, whether the Steelers win tomorrow or not. Almost 14,000 yards and 97 career total TDs assure that. You just cannot ignore those kind of numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1992 sfo | 14 | 206 1013 4.9 9 | 43 405 9.4 2 | | 1993 sfo | 13 | 208 950 4.6 10 | 31 326 10.5 1 | | 1994 sfo | 16 | 239 877 3.7 6 | 66 719 10.9 5 | | 1995 phi | 16 | 337 1273 3.8 11 | 62 434 7.0 1 | | 1996 phi | 16 | 353 1411 4.0 13 | 51 444 8.7 0 | | 1997 phi | 16 | 285 1110 3.9 7 | 48 440 9.2 0 | | 1998 sea | 16 | 319 1239 3.9 9 | 52 373 7.2 0 | | 1999 sea | 16 | 325 1210 3.7 5 | 40 387 9.7 2 | | 2000 sea | 16 | 278 1242 4.5 7 | 63 613 9.7 2 | | 2001 sea | 5 | 72 318 4.4 1 | 11 107 9.7 0 | How about the Buses teammate at ND? Will he even be considered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Thanks Storm, my sentiments exactly...by the way, the hell with the Lions taking a QB... I agree... that's just bad thinking. Andre Ware and Joey Harrington... you'd think that they'd learn their lesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Bettis may very well be the most over-rated player in recent history. 4 seasons out of 13 that he's averaged above 4 yards per carry. FOUR! Yet, he's supposedly a first-ballot Hall of Famer. He also only has three recieving touchdowns in his entire career and has been far from money in the playoffs. Bettis is a completely one dimensional power back that by the grace of God managed to play for 13 years and compile up some impressive numbers. Him getting into the Hall of Fame, period, would be a joke. I do not care how many little old ladies he helps cross the street or how many babies he kisses. He may be a great guy, but he was not a great football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 This guy wasn't very kind Wednesday, January 25, 2006 The Bus isn't one of the best By David Schoenfield Page 2 This is Jerome Bettis' Super Bowl. Here's Jerome on the Sunday Conversation. Here's Jerome's mom and dad. Here's another replay of Jerome's near-tragic fumble against the Colts. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 JEff Bagwell is a HOFer, first ballot one of the top 5 hitting first basmen of all time (along with Gehrig, Foxx, Thomas, Anson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 You mean like CuMar? . i knew you were gonna say that..lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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