Blade Mafia - Blood of the Forefathers

[JustInFudge]

56 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

 

 

above is my reveal...  @JiF  i got to L-2 on the weekend which i am notoriously low activity on. 

 

I predicted correctly on JC's lynch and earned the Vest or investigate. 

 

6 minutes ago, Stark said:

i have a call to sit in on at 9:30 CST and then a meeting at 11. i need put in my NA

If anyone wants to list their top 2 as of now I will consider changing who i investigate.

I'm confused, did you just get the investigation because you seemed to not know an hour ago.

And how can you change it? 

I wouldnt look at; Me or DPR - waste of an investigation.

The others, are all good.  If I had to rank;  Verb, Beaver, Jville, AVM

 

[DPR]

Day 2 Recruit Pool:

1. CTM - Highly likely to be recruited. Already dead.

2. 80 - Play was off. Not seeing him as a great recruit prospect. Low chance of making it to endgame.  Already Dead.

3. SMC - Highly likely to be recruited. Already dead.

4. Booz - Newer Player. Already dead.

5. Verb - Similar to 80. Low Poster LOL, and (seriously) low chances of ever making it to endgame. Too obvious

6. JC - Highly likely to be recruited, but play was off. Already dead.

7. AJ - was recruited, I'm guessing he was attempt #4, which means Lee & Hess were going for players whose game they trusted.

8. DPR - Highly likely to be recruited. Fail 1 - 5 ?

9. Barry - Dead

10. AVM - Highly likely to be recruited and failed. Fail 1 - 5 ?

11. Drums - Dead

12. JiF - Highly likely to be recruited and failed Fail 1 - 5 ?

13. Stark - 

14. Lizzie - Play was off. Already dead.

15. Beaver - 

16. Jville - 

17. Nyn - I'm counting Nyn as a recruit fail based on her being NK'd N2. Already dead. Fail 1 - 5?

 

By this process of POE, we're left with 7 recruit attempts, with 5 fails and 2 successes on #4 and #7. If AJ was #4, that means that 5 other players were chosen and I gotta believe those were from the "Highly Likely" list. 

Since we've already killed the SK, SK Apprentice and Blade, I feel like the question of "why did the attempts fail?" is a rabbit hole that takes away from looking at the potential #7's. Having said that, I'm not ruling out looking into it if somebody wants to.

Since AJ, Hess and Lee were all killed the next day (AJ on N2, Hess on D3 by Blade and Lee on D3 by lynch) the Recruit was in charge of the NK, which looks to be Drums N3 and Barry N4.

So I'm looking at the new guys, bringing me full circle to 

Stark, Beaver or Jville

[Stark]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

 

 

 

above is my reveal...  @JiF  i got to L-2 on the weekend which i am notoriously low activity on. 

 

I predicted correctly on JC's lynch and earned the Vest or investigate. 

 

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

I'm confused, did you just get the investigation because you seemed to not know an hour ago.

And how can you change it? 

I wouldnt look at; Me or DPR - waste of an investigation.

The others, are all good.  If I had to rank;  Verb, Beaver, Jville, AVM

 

an hour ago i said i had earned it. I was hoping there would be some activity even though it's night. 

Im not changing it I haven't put it in yet.

why are you and DPR a waste? 

I had 2 players in mind before i was officially informed I had earned my reward. I just wanted to hear if there was anything that sticks out.

odds are im getting shot anyway unless im protected.

[Beaver]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Jville put some solid investigation work in Lee's and her tracks.  I'll look back at it again but it would have been a bold move a recruited cult to go that route, that said, he could have been posturing it a bit, so I'll see how if feel in retrospect but I've felt very good about him to this point. 

Of all the claims we've had, Stark was the sloppiest.  It was similar to JC's in the sense that he floated something very broad and made us start asking questions before giving us all the detail.  I'm not even sure we ever got an explanation on what a bookie could do but rather, that he had the ability to earn.  That could be perceived as trying to gain town favor, similar to how JC just did with his vest from the porno review.

Not sure what to make of Beavers reveal in hindsight.  He clearly didnt think he revealed and he didnt but the way he said, "no power" only to have a power, at first, I thought it was clever, in retrospect, why did he wait till the next day phase to give us the rest of his "power".

Worthy of a look back...

yeah I should have been more clear on the no power role.   What I meant was, if I died it wasn't a big loss like a doctor or investigator.  

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

I'm confused, did you just get the investigation because you seemed to not know an hour ago.

And how can you change it? 

I wouldnt look at; Me or DPR - waste of an investigation.

The others, are all good.  If I had to rank;  Verb, Beaver, Jville, AVM

 

Stark has to submit his guess as to the following day's lynch.

If he guesses correctly, he gets to choose a vest or an investigation. 

Which brings up the question (answering this will probably count as a reveal, so be careful here?

Has any other player been presented with a choice of "earned" rewards for completing their task?

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

an hour ago i said i had earned it. I was hoping there would be some activity even though it's night. 

Im not changing it I haven't put it in yet.

why are you and DPR a waste? 

I had 2 players in mind before i was officially informed I had earned my reward. I just wanted to hear if there was anything that sticks out.

odds are im getting shot anyway unless im protected.

Wait, what? You already earned the choice of a vest or the investigation? I am confusion

[DPR]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

above is my reveal...  @JiF  i got to L-2 on the weekend which i am notoriously low activity on. 

 

I predicted correctly on JC's lynch and earned the Vest or investigate. 

I see it now - I didn't realize you had submitted your guess. 

This is very interesting.

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

Stark has to submit his guess as to the following day's lynch.

If he guesses correctly, he gets to choose a vest or an investigation. 

Which brings up the question (answering this will probably count as a reveal, so be careful here?

Has any other player been presented with a choice of "earned" rewards for completing their task?

I'm still interested to know if anyone else had a choice of rewards

[Stark]

Just now, DPR said:

Wait, what? You already earned the choice of a vest or the investigation? I am confusion

my "bet" was that JC would be the lynch. JC was lynched I was officially informed I had earned my a)vest or b) investigation via PM later. 

I had to put in my "bet" during the previous night's actions. then "game day" yesterday was the day of my bet. once JC was lynched and then i got a PM saying i had earned the choice of A. or B. now I have to declare my choice. 

 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Stark said:

my "bet" was that JC would be the lynch. JC was lynched I was officially informed I had earned my a)vest or b) investigation via PM later. 

I had to put in my "bet" during the previous night's actions. then "game day" yesterday was the day of my bet. once JC was lynched and then i got a PM saying i had earned the choice of A. or B. now I have to declare my choice. 

 

I understand now. Thanks.

[DPR]

13 hours ago, Pac said:

Final Vote Count:

JC (5) - Beaver, Verbal, DPR, JVill, JiF

DPR (1) - JC

I am somewhat confused by why you weren't on JC's train tho

[jvill 51]

7 minutes ago, DPR said:

Day 2 Recruit Pool:

1. CTM - Highly likely to be recruited. Already dead.

2. 80 - Play was off. Not seeing him as a great recruit prospect. Low chance of making it to endgame.  Already Dead.

3. SMC - Highly likely to be recruited. Already dead.

4. Booz - Newer Player. Already dead.

5. Verb - Similar to 80. Low Poster LOL, and (seriously) low chances of ever making it to endgame. Too obvious

6. JC - Highly likely to be recruited, but play was off. Already dead.

7. AJ - was recruited, I'm guessing he was attempt #4, which means Lee & Hess were going for players whose game they trusted.

8. DPR - Highly likely to be recruited. Fail 1 - 5 ?

9. Barry - Dead

10. AVM - Highly likely to be recruited and failed. Fail 1 - 5 ?

11. Drums - Dead

12. JiF - Highly likely to be recruited and failed Fail 1 - 5 ?

13. Stark - 

14. Lizzie - Play was off. Already dead.

15. Beaver - 

16. Jville - 

17. Nyn - I'm counting Nyn as a recruit fail based on her being NK'd N2. Already dead. Fail 1 - 5?

 

By this process of POE, we're left with 7 recruit attempts, with 5 fails and 2 successes on #4 and #7. If AJ was #4, that means that 5 other players were chosen and I gotta believe those were from the "Highly Likely" list. 

Since we've already killed the SK, SK Apprentice and Blade, I feel like the question of "why did the attempts fail?" is a rabbit hole that takes away from looking at the potential #7's. Having said that, I'm not ruling out looking into it if somebody wants to.

Since AJ, Hess and Lee were all killed the next day (AJ on N2, Hess on D3 by Blade and Lee on D3 by lynch) the Recruit was in charge of the NK, which looks to be Drums N3 and Barry N4.

So I'm looking at the new guys, bringing me full circle to 

Stark, Beaver or Jville

You’ve got 6 players in the highly likely to be recruited category, Nyn as a failed recruit, and AJ as a confirmed recruit. That would be 8 players as highly likely, and 7 attempts were made. Not sure how that eliminates everyone in the very likely to be recruited category. Overall I like the thought process, just not sure how you arrived at the conclusion you did.
 

Also think you’re reading a little too much into the NK of Drums and Barry, especially Drums. Drums was basically a confirmed townie at that point, I don’t see that NK as a newbie taking out another newbie because he was familiar with them. And the recruit may have been in charge of submitting the NK but both games I’ve been scum the dead scum stayed in the QT to help out the scum that we’re still alive. If it’s a newbie still alive I’d imagine that’s even more likely.

 

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, jvill 51 said:

You’ve got 6 players in the highly likely to be recruited category, Nyn as a failed recruit, and AJ as a confirmed recruit. That would be 8 players as highly likely, and 7 attempts were made. Not sure how that eliminates everyone in the very likely to be recruited category. Overall I like the thought process, just not sure how you arrived at the conclusion you did.
 

Also think you’re reading a little too much into the NK of Drums and Barry, especially Drums. Drums was basically a confirmed townie at that point, I don’t see that NK as a newbie taking out another newbie because he was familiar with them. And the recruit may have been in charge of submitting the NK but both games I’ve been scum the dead scum stayed in the QT to help out the scum that we’re still alive. If it’s a newbie still alive I’d imagine that’s even more likely.

 

I just listed those that I thought would be highly likely  - i wasn't matching it to attempts. Until we find our guy, everyone is still a suspect. 

All good points on the second paragraph. Taking out a confirmed townie is always a good move (especially in case he was fibbing about how many shots he had) and the scum team is mot likely still advising. My thought was that regardless of their advice, the remaining player would need to eliminate those that knew his style the best and I've noticed a lot of casual conversation between the newer generation about how many games they've played, etc. having said that, everything I've said counts as speculation until it's proven and different points of view are always good for the town. 

[Stark]

On 4/20/2020 at 4:17 PM, Stark said:

If I use it I’m going to let the game play out a bit before I would indicate my choice

 

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

I am somewhat confused by why you weren't on JC's train tho

I didn't want to influence the decision on votes by voting early and not having people play the game.

Starting the day previous I was on Beaver or JC for scum. I was not around for the first "lynch" of JC where game was pause and Boozer was killed... the "reset" happened after boozer was killed and AVM's vote was gone (which i questioned). I was with my kids outside during this and didn't have the game opened just paying attention to the game. the next time i looked JVille and JiF had hammered. 

I was seriously wondering why the first JC train got to a hammer, then game paused and Boozer who put JC at L-2 died and not AVM who was the hammer. 

 

[Stark]

I have to go ... calls and meetings for a few hours.

 

Investigation has been submitted. 

Protect me or not if there is a protect role. since i am still sus'd there will be clarity either way after night.

 

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

I didn't want to influence the decision on votes by voting early and not having people play the game.

Starting the day previous I was on Beaver or JC for scum. I was not around for the first "lynch" of JC where game was pause and Boozer was killed... the "reset" happened after boozer was killed and AVM's vote was gone (which i questioned). I was with my kids outside during this and didn't have the game opened just paying attention to the game. the next time i looked JVille and JiF had hammered. 

I was seriously wondering why the first JC train got to a hammer, then game paused and Boozer who put JC at L-2 died and not AVM who was the hammer. 

 

That's not the worst explanation I've ever heard, but it ain't the best either.

Why would you think you would influence the vote? You had already revealed and you could have easily parked a vote on JC without raising suspicion and risking getting killed. Any scum reading into it would have had to wifom whether you did or did not submit and you might have caught scum slipping if anyone asked whether or not you turned in your NA. 

Town players would realize that you might have and turned it in and then they could decide if the voting JC and getting it wrong was worth the investigation you would get to choose. 

You're playing a tight game, but a lot of what you do seems just a little off. 

If another layer comes forward wanting to reveal and they have a choice of rewards for their tasks, I'll feel better. 

[JustInFudge]

35 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

an hour ago i said i had earned it. I was hoping there would be some activity even though it's night. 

Im not changing it I haven't put it in yet.

why are you and DPR a waste? 

I had 2 players in mind before i was officially informed I had earned my reward. I just wanted to hear if there was anything that sticks out.

odds are im getting shot anyway unless im protected.

Why wouldnt you WIFOM the vest vs. investigation?

And an hour ago you clearly stated, " and earned a vest or investigation".

None of this is making any sense...

[JustInFudge]

39 minutes ago, DPR said:

Wait, what? You already earned the choice of a vest or the investigation? I am confusion

 

36 minutes ago, DPR said:

I see it now - I didn't realize you had submitted your guess. 

This is very interesting.

Its sloppy and not adding up....

[DPR]

I should add that lynching a claimed investigator is extremely unlikely without some very compelling evidence.

[DPR]

It would really help if everyone offered up opinions and reads.

[JustInFudge]

23 minutes ago, Stark said:

 

I didn't want to influence the decision on votes by voting early and not having people play the game.

Starting the day previous I was on Beaver or JC for scum. I was not around for the first "lynch" of JC where game was pause and Boozer was killed... the "reset" happened after boozer was killed and AVM's vote was gone (which i questioned). I was with my kids outside during this and didn't have the game opened just paying attention to the game. the next time i looked JVille and JiF had hammered. 

I was seriously wondering why the first JC train got to a hammer, then game paused and Boozer who put JC at L-2 died and not AVM who was the hammer. 

 

Seemed pretty obvious that JC put in the kill for Boozer who he setting up to look like he was getting framed.  Pac didnt see it quick enough but Decker did, the game paused, votes kept coming, Pac paused the game, showed the scene, erasing the votes that happened when Deck paused it, the game restarted, new train built.

 

 

[DPR]

We need to debate this pretty quick - what are the pros vs. cons of Stark sharing his investigation pick before Lynch and Pac’s post?

Pros - it vets Stark by eliminating his ability to manipulate a fake reveal based on night results. 
 

Cons - it sets up a townie as the NK (but we were going to lose one anyway and it could vet Stark, so double the info?

I get blind spots with this stuff sometimes - what am I not seeing?

[DPR]

Lynch should be “lunch” - we only have until PAC comes back to do this

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

We need to debate this pretty quick - what are the pros vs. cons of Stark sharing his investigation pick before Lynch and Pac’s post?

Pros - it vets Stark by eliminating his ability to manipulate a fake reveal based on night results. 
 

Cons - it sets up a townie as the NK (but we were going to lose one anyway and it could vet Stark, so double the info?

I get blind spots with this stuff sometimes - what am I not seeing?

He's all over the place.  Even directing attention toward meaningless stuff, like why a lynch wasnt obtained when voting was paused.  Strange place to give focus to right now with all the information we have out there.

He might have just shown his ass here at the end.

 

[DPR]

Should he tell us who he investigated?

[Verbal]

If it helps, I have never been given a choice to perform a task in game to obtain a reward.

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Should he tell us who he investigated?

no

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Verbal said:

If it helps, I have never been given a choice to perform a task in game to obtain a reward.

Nor have I. 

How do you feel about the recent play from Stark?

 

[Verbal]

8 minutes ago, DPR said:

Should he tell us who he investigated?

I'd say no, it'll be an obvious target for a NK and that's not worth it imo.

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, Verbal said:

If it helps, I have never been given a choice to perform a task in game to obtain a reward.

why did you offer to blow Pac then?

[Verbal]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Nor have I. 

How do you feel about the recent play from Stark?

 

I'm not a fan of how he revealed it - I would have played up the vest/view WIFOM a lot more, but honestly I'm trying not to read too deep into that.

[Verbal]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

why did you offer to blow Pac then?

RED LOBSTER

[Pac]

CLICK ME

[Pac]

"Well lets break this down segment by segment.  Let me go back and quote every post from every player so far"

*after 2 hours of blathering on*

"As you can see, the way that this person capitalized this, could mean that, of course it could mean anything*

*2 more hours of talking*

"So what do you guys think about my findings"?

 

The stake flew through the air with speed and accuracy..  as it hit it's target the victim spent 10 more minutes discussing every aspect of what had just happened before fading away...

 

AVM, Eli Damaskinos, (SK and Governor) is DEAD!

[JustInFudge]

Damn @AVM nice game