Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lurker89 said: Leeway sure. But what does that mean. I still don't believe he will be any more than a sub par backup QB. Some individuals here believe he can be the heir apparent to Rodgers which is funny on multiple levels. The first being that as much as I like Rodgers he hasn't done anything to be the heir to as a Jet. We should realistically be looking at someone like Michael Penix next year if they fall to us as someone to be Rodgers understudy. Granted it will be hard to stomach taking a QB in the first but this looks to be a good deep class. We have more than a substantial sample size on Zach and it has been bad. He could totally be Geno Smith and finally develop 10 years from now with the perfect staff around him. I'd rather try to do better than what Wilson has proven to be over 3 years now. I don't hate the kid, I'm just calling a spade a spade and not trying to prop up an obviously bad QB with hope and pixy dust. He is getting close... He moves the ball up and down the field with the running game but is lacking the finish... A lot of this is on the offense as a whole but I really feel they are close. They have also played almost all the best defenses in the league. Which just makes the offense look worse 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Such a gutsy win. Despite the refs against trying to screw up we kicked their ass too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Stupidity. Yes your post certainly shows that 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: I don't like Zach... I wish the Jets had a better qb But no I want nothing to do with those losers. If this is true, then your opinion is exactly thee same as the "losers" you complain about. I don't have any personal feelings about Zach, but I think he's an objectively poor-performing QB, and I want us to have better. Just like you say above. Welcome to the "losers", loser. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: I'm happy to leave that to the community as a whole to determine via the +Rep/-Rep system. I do find it funny how much the most dedicated homers on this site truly, legitimately, hate their fellow Jets fans. All that for wanting more Offensive success. What a sin. We all want more offensive success... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, freestater said: Yeah. Thats not true. Plenty of celebratory threads. You're seeing what you want to. It wasn't when I posted this... It has started to changd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: We all want more offensive success... I know. If only we could figure out what the problem is.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: We all want more offensive success... You do....the same way someone who plays the lottery wants more money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origen Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Our new Punter is better than our Old punter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Reasonable Jets Fan said: He is getting close... He moves the ball up and down the field with the running game but is lacking the finish... A lot of this is on the offense as a whole but I really feel they are close. They have also played almost all the best defenses in the league. Which just makes the offense look worse I think you are getting your hopes up and its not a check ZW can cash.... time will tell. I'd love to be wrong but don't think I will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: If this is true, then your opinion is exactly thee same as the "losers" you complain about. I don't have any personal feelings about Zach, but I think he's an objectively poor-performing QB, and I want us to have better. Just like you say above. Welcome to the "losers", loser. He won games back to back... And doesn't cost the team draft capital to keep him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said: I know. If only we could figure out what the problem is.... The OL in the red zone... WR dropping passes... Naked bootlegs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: He won games back to back. The Jets certainly did win two games in a row. The Jets Defense might agree to disagree with you on who exactly was responsible for winning those two games. Quote The OL in the red zone... WR dropping passes... Naked bootlegs Everyone fault but Zach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Warfish said: You do....the same way someone who plays the lottery wants more money. Signing a backup QB off the streets is more in the lottery rhelm... Zach Wilson is more like trying to get a person that was in a bad accident to try and fully recover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: The OL in the red zone... WR dropping passes... Naked bootlegs This is very inappropriate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Signing a backup QB off the streets is more in the lottery rhelm... Zach Wilson is more like trying to get a person that was in a bad accident to try and fully recover I knew when I wrote it you wouldn't get it. Never mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lurker89 said: I think you are getting your hopes up and its not a check ZW can cash.... time will tell. I'd love to be wrong but don't think I will be. What do you get for being 'right'... A bunch of I told you so... The jets won with ZW at QB because he commanded the offense well enough to give the defense a chance to win the game... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: The Jets certainly did win two games in a row. The Jets Defense might agree to disagree with you on who exactly was responsible for winning those two games. Doesn't matter he did enough for the defense to win the game... They still won 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Warfish said: I'm happy to leave that to the community as a whole to determine via the +Rep/-Rep system. I do find it funny how much the most dedicated homers on this site truly, legitimately, hate their fellow Jets fans. All that for wanting more Offensive success. What a sin. Sorry, not getting any better! What exactly is a homer? We all want success, why on earth would you think any fan wouldn't? I want the offense to put up 400+ yds every week. We all want Zach to become the next <insert great>. Winning in the NFL is hard, it's a tough league, the Jets have played some of the best defenses and best QB's in the league in these first 6 weeks of the season, and watching fans embarrass themselves bitching about Zach Wilson after a monumental win against a SB team last year is just pathetic. I don't hate anyone. I just wish the cynical Jets fan would get a clue. I'm still wishing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, JetsRay said: Sorry, not getting any better! What exactly is a homer? We all want success, why on earth would you think any fan wouldn't? I want the offense to put up 400+ yds every week. We all want Zach to become the next <insert great>. Winning in the NFL is hard, it's a tough league, the Jets have played some of the best defenses and best QB's in the league in these first 6 weeks of the season, and watching fans embarrass themselves bitching about Zach Wilson after a monumental win against a SB team last year is just pathetic. I don't hate anyone. I just wish the cynical Jets fan would get a clue. I'm still wishing. Yeah calling another Jet fan a “homer” because they arent miserable is a bit crazy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: The Jets certainly did win two games in a row. The Jets Defense might agree to disagree with you on who exactly was responsible for winning those two games. Everyone fault but Zach. The defense is the strength of the team right????.. So the jets are leaning into it and are winning games... You might not like how it's being done but the truth is Zach is not harming the defense the last few games... He is moving the ball to keep the defense fresh... He is leading the team into the red zone... And they are scoring points... They will need to score more to beat some of the better teams but they have also played some really good teams. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Doesn't matter he did enough for the defense to win the game... They still won thats supposed to be the other way around. the defense is suppose to keep the team in the game so the offense can win it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, doitny said: thats supposed to be the other way around. the defense is suppose to keep the team in the game so the offense can win it. Why... Says who... Because that's how it's always done... Jets gave that up when the HOF qb went down... Now they play the other way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, doitny said: thats supposed to be the other way around. the defense is suppose to keep the team in the game so the offense can win it. How did that work out for Jalen Hurts, who is arguably one of the best QB's in the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: What do you get for being 'right'... A bunch of I told you so... The jets won with ZW at QB because he commanded the offense well enough to give the defense a chance to win the game... Iol i don't get anything for being right... I wish ZW was not horrible at the QB position, it would be much better for our team. I objectively see a bad QB, you subjectively hope against the odds he isn’t what he is showing himself to be week in and week out. Its all fine with me if he can "game manage" his way to a playoff birth great I'll welcome it, as would we all. I will also hope we continue to add to a QB via the draft that is oh... i dont know... actually a threat to opposing DCs and not a walking punchline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: So if the offense keeps scoring running tds and he is moving the ball to get the defense on their heels and off the run does that get ZW any leeway? But we're not scoring running TDs or moving the ball. We've had 2 running TDs past 2 games. That's it. We can't convert on third downs and stay on the field. All of our points have been because of the defense scoring or setting up field goals and Breece Hall. That's literally it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lurker89 said: Iol i don't get anything for being right... I wish ZW was not horrible at the QB position, it would be much better for our team. I objectively see a bad QB, you subjectively hope against the odds he isn’t what he is showing himself to be week in and week out. Its all fine with me if he can "game manage" his way to a playoff birth great I'll welcome it, as would we all. I will also hope we continue to add to a QB via the draft that is oh... i dont know... actually a threat to opposing DCs and not a walking punchline. Great... So we agree, Zach Wilson, love or hate is the QB the rest of the year... They won... Against a great defense, with a great DL and Lbs... They scored enough trips to the red zone to get easy FGs Should they score... Yes of course bbbbbuuuuttttt they are close enough to the endzone that they are in the red zone... Now it's about finishing.... Last year they weren't moving it at all... And today breece didn't go wild.... So they still did enough to be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: But we're not scoring running TDs or moving the ball. We've had 2 running TDs past 2 games. That's it. We can't convert on third downs and stay on the field. All of our points have been because of the defense scoring or setting up field goals and Breece Hall. That's literally it. The FGs are because the offense got the ball to the red zone... You can try to discredit that all you want... He got the there... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: The FGs are because the offense got the ball to the red zone... You can try to discredit that all you want... He got the there... Did they? Handed the ball on Philly 45 and no points. Jets 45? 3 points. Philly 36? 3 points. Such an accomplishment to "get there!" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: He is getting close... He moves the ball up and down the field with the running game but is lacking the finish... A lot of this is on the offense as a whole but I really feel they are close. They have also played almost all the best defenses in the league. Which just makes the offense look worse Please explain this to me. You can't use "a good run game" as a compliment to a quarterback. Zach does not move the ball up and down the field. We had 244 total yards of offense today. We converted 2 out of 11 3rd downs. Had 4.1 yards per play. That's not moving the ball up and down the field. You are making sh!t up. The defense forced 4 turnovers and got us into position time and time again to squeeze into field goal range. He finally connected a deep ball to Wilson after missing Conklin down the sideline. Conklin throw was late and out of bounds. Zach completed 1 pass in the redzone. The other 5 or 6 pass plays were misfires or sacks. So what you are saying is not happening. Pointing this out is not being miserable or negative. It's being honest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: Did they? Handed the ball on Philly 45 and no points. Jets 45? 3 points. Philly 36? 3 points. Such an accomplishment to "get there!" And why not show the other drives... Because it doesnt fit your narrative. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Jets Fan Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Darnold's Forehead said: Please explain this to me. You can't use "a good run game" as a compliment to a quarterback. Zach does not move the ball up and down the field. We had 244 total yards of offense today. We converted 2 out of 11 3rd downs. Had 4.1 yards per play. That's not moving the ball up and down the field. You are making sh!t up. The defense forced 4 turnovers and got us into position time and time again to squeeze into field goal range. He finally connected a deep ball to Wilson after missing Conklin down the sideline. Conklin throw was late and out of bounds. Zach completed 1 pass in the redzone. The other 5 or 6 pass plays were misfires or sacks. So what you are saying is not happening. Pointing this out is not being miserable or negative. It's being honest. Discrediting the positive and relishing on the negative is the definition of being biased against the kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAustrian Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, doitny said: you just acknowledged that Zach has to improve. every week NFL teams win or lose work on what they need to improve on too. they dont sit around throwing a party for the win. we arent either. Zach is the weakest link. you know that too. how many more weeks do we have to hear that he has to improve on this or that? we have been hearing this for 3 years now and we are sick of it. yes Phila is great and our defense had an incredible game... and we still almost lost. thats the thing with Zach. he cant win unless someone is great...Hall...the defense..etc. this team is really good. with the injuries and a below average QB we have no business being 3-3. this season could be a really good one but Zach will hold us back. we all see that. we dont hate him, we just know he is a liability. he isnt helping us win. he is along for the ride. if this was anyone else he would be benched. but Zach keeps getting chances. if someone is available we need to make the trade and replace Zach. if your really a Jet fan and not a Zach fan then you cant tell me if Cousins or Brissett or Minshew became available you rather stick with Zach.? I get what you say and I also think he's not a good qb at the moment - he doesnt even win us games - but we ride with him and as long as such a game as the patriots game doesnt happen one more time this season okay - except of cousins there is no one out there who will help our team a lot in comparision to ZW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETS SB Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said: Discrediting the positive and relishing on the negative is the definition of being biased against the kid. Reading these threads, you definitely would have thought the Jets lost today. Its mind boggling how negative the Zach haters are. Pretty pathetic, to be honest. Zach played good enough to win today, vs the undefeated NFC Champion. Zach didnt win the game for us. He also didnt lose the game for us. I think, I THINK, thats his job, as the backup QB on a team with an elite defense and running game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green&white Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Warfish said: You do....the same way someone who plays the lottery wants more money. Poor analogy. "Wanting" the Jets to replace Zach has zero impact on them actually doing it. Playing the lottery increases your odds of winning vs not playing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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