bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 10 minutes ago, section314 said: Have you done any work on Zack Frazier from WVU? Interesting but will be picked in the exact 2nd Rd where the Jets don't have a pick do they move Tippmann in this scenario? I wouldn't be against it, he was better at guard than center 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/28/2024 at 12:01 PM, Augustiniak said: So with all these red flags we should take him with our track record of drafting qbs? Honestly, red flags are a reason to interview him. You need to be able to discern which lunatic narcissistic qualities you can determine from an interview and which will lead to disaster rather than success at QB. You don't think being in a room with Leaf, Trubisky, Lynch, Rosen before the draft would provide helpful information for your next set of QB interviews? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: Interesting but will be picked in the exact 2nd Rd where the Jets don't have a pick do they move Tippmann in this scenario? I wouldn't be against it, he was better at guard than center Obviously this would necessitate a trade down to recoup the 2 nd rounder. If done, take OT in 1st and if you get Frazier, he is C and Tippmann G. Fingers crossed .. LT 1st rd. LG AVT. C Frazier. RG Tippmann RT Warren or FA. I could live with that for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, section314 said: Obviously this would necessitate a trade down to recoup the 2 nd rounder. too many fellow fans are predicting a trade down but who are teams trading up for? Bo nix or penix? It might not be a great place to trade down Meanwhile the Jets should be in the right place to get a starting OT at 10 why mess with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 20 minutes ago, bitonti said: too many fellow fans are predicting a trade down but who are teams trading up for? Bo nix or penix? It might not be a great place to trade down Meanwhile the Jets should be in the right place to get a starting OT at 10 why mess with that? It’s an eight or nine player draft depending on whether you value an undersized tight end in that top tier, right? If a QB (McCarthy) or a defensive player (Arnold or Turner) slips into the top ten a team might want to get ahead of the tier break. If not, might want to get ahead of Minnesota for McCarthy or Arnold. I do think it’ll be a tough spot for the Jets to trade out because if a top tier guy is there he’s likely at a position of need and if not you’re opening that second tier - again unless someone wants McCarthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 25 minutes ago, bitonti said: too many fellow fans are predicting a trade down but who are teams trading up for? Bo nix or penix? It might not be a great place to trade down Meanwhile the Jets should be in the right place to get a starting OT at 10 why mess with that? mccarthy or a wr. that's kinda it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Besides the fact that avt got hurt at RT he's got 32 inch arms He can be an emergency ot but he's not really a rt They should just move him back to LG where he was playing well and developing I'd rather see him at guard, myself, all things being equal. Having said that, he played very well at tackle (both in college and for the Jets) AND AVT filling a tackle spot for the Jets gives them maximum flexibility to build a good line because there are a number of serviceable guards in FA (and later in this draft) that could be realistic targets. Hence, you could argue that all things aren't "equal." But, on the injury front, do we think AVT tore his achilles because he was playing tackle? Achilles injuries for a young player like AVT so random and unpredictable. The torn triceps I could see more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said: AVT's position will be decided last. Once they add free agents and draft - then they can decide what's left and where to put him since he can basically play anywhere along the OL. I think I would find that annoying if I was AVT. If he has to prepare for tackle, they should let him start now so he doesn’t blow his plant leg out again. I’m guessing the training regimens for guards and tackles would be at least somewhat different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted February 29 Popular Post Share Posted February 29 49 minutes ago, bitonti said: too many fellow fans are predicting a trade down but who are teams trading up for? Bo nix or penix? It might not be a great place to trade down Meanwhile the Jets should be in the right place to get a starting OT at 10 why mess with that? If they just bit the bullet and lost the Pats game, they’re at 6 right now and waiting to scoop up a potential franchise left tackle. If they lose both the Washington and Pats games, iirc, they’d be at 3 fielding call for massive trade downs with whomever wants Daniels. Dumbest franchise alive. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, slimjasi said: I'd rather see him at guard, myself, all things being equal. Having said that, he played very well at tackle (both in college and for the Jets) AVT reminds me of David Diehl a dude who can play tackle for a team in a pinch but probably shouldn't play tackle for you all the time 6 minutes ago, slimjasi said: But, on the injury front, do we think AVT tore his achilles because he was playing tackle? Achilles injuries for a young player like AVT so random and unpredictable. The torn triceps I could see more. it's hard to say why a dude got hurt but again Diehl was fine until the year they moved him from LT to RT he tore his hamstring and dislocated hip life in the NFL is hobbesian "Nasty brutish and short" it's possible Diehl and AVT get hurt no matter where they play but I do think it's bad mojo to move guys around willy nilly, and most teams avoid it like the plague 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If they just bit the bullet and lost the Pats game, they’re at 6 right now and waiting to scoop up a potential franchise left tackle. If they lose both the Washington and Pats games, iirc, they’d be at 3 fielding call for massive trade downs with whomever wants Daniels. Dumbest franchise alive. Fwiw I think the tackle board is going to shuffle alot between now and the draft and we could be living in a world where Fuaga goes before Alt, or Latham goes OT 1 to LAC as i think Kiper recently predicted. There's Olu and Mims and enough starting OT types (at least 5) that the Jets being at 10 doesn't hurt them you're right about being able to trade down from 4 or 6 or wherever though. Still a better draft pick is not a reason for losing simply because many well run teams pick late in the rd and have success the bad teams pick at the top and screw it up see Wilson, Zach it doesn't matter where you pick it matter who you pick I'd rather see the Jets beat Belly in his last game than have 3 slots or whatever in April 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If they just bit the bullet and lost the Pats game, they’re at 6 right now and waiting to scoop up a potential franchise left tackle. If they lose both the Washington and Pats games, iirc, they’d be at 3 fielding call for massive trade downs with whomever wants Daniels. Dumbest franchise alive. Yep. Seems like we are lamenting these meaningless wins every single year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 31 minutes ago, derp said: unless someone wants McCarthy. this might be ludicrous but I don't think JJ McCarthy is even on the board when the Jets pick at 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If they just bit the bullet and lost the Pats game, they’re at 6 right now and waiting to scoop up a potential franchise left tackle. If they lose both the Washington and Pats games, iirc, they’d be at 3 fielding call for massive trade downs with whomever wants Daniels. Dumbest franchise alive. Naive thinking. They can get a LT if they want. Also think guys are going to slide. The jets are the only team desperate for OL help such that every mock has them taking one. The lament is that they have rodgers, b/c they’re not in the qb market. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Just now, bitonti said: this might be ludicrous but I don't think JJ McCarthy is even on the board when the Jets pick at 10 Main reason why the penn state OL is going to fall to 10. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If they just bit the bullet and lost the Pats game, they’re at 6 right now and waiting to scoop up a potential franchise left tackle. If they lose both the Washington and Pats games, iirc, they’d be at 3 fielding call for massive trade downs with whomever wants Daniels. Dumbest franchise alive. 1 minute ago, bitonti said: Fwiw I think the tackle board is going to shuffle alot between now and the draft and we could be living in a world where Fuaga goes before Alt, or Latham goes OT 1 to LAC as i think Kiper recently predicted a better draft pick is not a reason for losing simply because many well run teams pick late in the rd and have success the bad teams pick at the top and screw it up see Wilson, Zach it doesn't matter where you pick it matter who you pick Adding on to this: I do agree with Bit and believe there’s one of Alt or Fashanu available at 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Adding on to this: I do agree with Bit and believe there’s one of Alt or Fashanu available at 10. Yes, but that isn’t even a victory. It pleases the draft gods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: this might be ludicrous but I don't think JJ McCarthy is even on the board when the Jets pick at 10 That's not necessarily ludicrous. He has a lot of the tools that these teams look for and it seems like he has more fans by the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Just now, Augustiniak said: Yes, but that isn’t even a victory. It pleases the draft gods. I want one of those guys so badly that I’m willing to go to jail for defamation and libel to get them here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: this might be ludicrous but I don't think JJ McCarthy is even on the board when the Jets pick at 10 I think this McCarthy stuff has to be a joke. I know all the draft guys are saying teams love him, but he’s a skinny little dude who didn’t throw passes in college. I think McCarthy “rising” is more a commentary on Nix and Penix looking meh at the Senior Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I want one of those guys so badly that I’m willing to go to jail for defamation and libel to get them here. I’d rather have fuaga and a 2nd rounder than just one of those guys. The jets could get 2 OL then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Adding on to this: I do agree with Bit and believe there’s one of Alt or Fashanu available at 10. No way. NO WAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said: I don't really disagree but I just think moving him to RT is the route that they're going to go. The Jets can trade down, pick up a second round pick, and pick an OT that could definitely play RT-if not Fuaga, Guyton or others. That second round pick can be a WR or G. Their third round pick, at the top of the round, can be a good guard. Look at the good guards in the NFL and where they were picked. This is a great OL year and players will drop down. If we play AVT at RT he will not last. he will get hurt. Fact. Draft a RT and LG, play AVT at RG, sign a LT. Voila. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think I would find that annoying if I was AVT. If he has to prepare for tackle, they should let him start now so he doesn’t blow his plant leg out again. I’m guessing the training regimens for guards and tackles would be at least somewhat different. Remember that Saleh said they had been talking to AVT about making him a permanent tackle just days before he got hurt in Denver. I think it comes down to whether they associate the injury with him playing tackle. If they don't, I'd guess that they have already told him he'll be a tackle, since they were supposedly talking about it with him back in October. if they do, I expect they have already told him that they would like to keep him inside. Either way, I wouldn't expect them to make a final decision on it until they see who they land in FA and the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: No way. NO WAY Definitely not Alt. Maybe Fashanu. Fashanu is projected to the Titans at 7. If not there, he could fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think this McCarthy stuff has to be a joke. I know all the draft guys are saying teams love him, but he’s a skinny little dude who didn’t throw passes in college. I think McCarthy “rising” is more a commentary on Nix and Penix looking meh at the Senior Bowl. He has a live arm, is 6'3, has plus mobility, and is known to be particularly good at throwing on the run. I agree with you - I think he's too raw to be picked with a high end 1st. I personally wouldn't take him in the top 10, but he has the traits that these old school football guys tend to fall in love with - I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him go in the top 10. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: He has a live arm, is 6'3, has plus mobility, and is known to be particularly good at throwing on the run. I agree with you - I think he's too raw to be picked with a high end 1st. I personally wouldn't take him in the top 10, but he has the traits that these old school football guys tend to fall in love with - I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him go in the top 10. If zach wilson can go 2nd and trey lance can go 3rd then mccarthy can go 8th to atlanta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 32 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think I would find that annoying if I was AVT. If he has to prepare for tackle, they should let him start now so he doesn’t blow his plant leg out again. I’m guessing the training regimens for guards and tackles would be at least somewhat different. AVT needs to worry about staying healthy not the position he ends up playing. He already proved he can play guard and tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: If zach wilson can go 2nd and trey lance can go 3rd then mccarthy can go 8th to atlanta For sure I could totally see it happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 37 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think this McCarthy stuff has to be a joke. I know all the draft guys are saying teams love him, but he’s a skinny little dude who didn’t throw passes in college. I think McCarthy “rising” is more a commentary on Nix and Penix looking meh at the Senior Bowl. Cecil lammey keeps saying watch harbaugh at 6 in other words he can take JJ and trade Herbert for multiple 1s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/28/2024 at 10:42 AM, Warfish said: Joe Milton, 5th round. 2024 #3 QB. Ah, Milton's poetic tragedy of leaving the Eden-like cocoon of Tennessee football, only to end up a QB on the Jets. A Paradise Lost, if you will, with Joe Douglas as satan. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, bitonti said: this might be ludicrous but I don't think JJ McCarthy is even on the board when the Jets pick at 10 I think it's a totally reasonable possibility. If that's the case though then they'll have Alt, Fashanu, Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, or Bowers sitting there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: Cecil lammey keeps saying watch harbaugh at 6 in other words he can take JJ and trade Herbert for multiple 1s How many 1s we got? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Mogglez said: Adding on to this: I do agree with Bit and believe there’s one of Alt or Fashanu available at 10. I agree too, but I don't think it is the win that we think it is. They are not Pace and Walter Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Not saying on any level I would do this. BUT What would Sauce's value be in a trade. Is he worth the #1 pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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