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raffyD

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so far they trail 13-3

DMC - 3 carries for only 11 yards.

Arkansas really need to get him more involved. They trying to throw to set up the run and its really not working. They should just stick with whats worked all year.

What channel is it on? I'd like to check the kid out (hearing a lot of opinions lately).

Edit: I don't get that game, f!

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Hate to say I told you so. So I won't. But I will say Mcfadden is no Peterson. I will say he will be a hot ticket and we'd be fools to take him, but trading down would be really smart. If we stay in the 3rd place spot.

tough playing with a D1ck at QB

his bad day was 5 yds per carry

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I don't really know much about the QB. I just know that Mcfadden isn't going to be that great. Not worth the third pick. You guys think D rob was a bust. If we draft Mcfadden, you will commit suicide after you see him play in the nfl.

What's the big deal ? He had a bad game. It happens, even to the greats.

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That should help shut some of you up. Yeah, lets draft a RB when we have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington and just completely ignore out situations on the Defensive front 7 and Offensive Line. Awesome.

Thomas Jones ahs never been anything more than average, he'll be 31 next year which for RB's is normally the beginning of the end. Leon is nothing more than a 2nd HB.

Can I just ask 124, who should we draft. If we draft Long, Dorsey or Okam we become even more undersized defensively. This year we should go for the most talented player available. IMO that is McFadden.

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We have too many areas of need that we cannot afford to go with McFadden for many, many reasons. Do you really want to pay Thomas Jones $5 million a year and Darren McFadden another $7 or $8 million? Do you really think he'll make a difference behind an inconsistent Offensive Line? I mean, if you think he's the next Adrian Peterson, which he's not, all the power to you, I guess you drink a lot, but you win games in the NFL on the lines. Offensive Line and Defensive line needs to be addressed first.

And no, Long is not my choice. He is undersized or oversized for both the 34 DE and 34 OLB position. I would like the Jets to take Dorsey and switch back to the 43, but that seems unlikely. I would like us to trade down and later on in the round and pick a pass rushing OLB and or a LG, depending if we could possibly trade with Dallas and get their 2 1st round picks.

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Thomas Jones ahs never been anything more than average, he'll be 31 next year which for RB's is normally the beginning of the end. Leon is nothing more than a 2nd HB.

Can I just ask 124, who should we draft. If we draft Long, Dorsey or Okam we become even more undersized defensively. This year we should go for the most talented player available. IMO that is McFadden.

Jones will be 29 years old until August 19, 2008. He will not be 31 next season.

I'm not in love with him at HB, but you can't spend three draft picks in 3 years and $70M on one position. Well you can, but the rest of the team better be rock-solid. This team isn't even close. And it's not anywhere NEAR the same situation as what Minnesota did:

- they have a DOMINANT offensive line; we would be giddy if ours was even mediocre at this point

- they gave Taylor like a $5M signing bonus; we gave Jones a $12M signing bonus

- they already have a defensive line in place; we have a bunch of under-achieving garbage

I really hope we find someone who wants to trade up with us like there's no tomorrow. It's not that I want Howie's kid so badly at #3; I'd rather trade down, still have a top-10 pick and pick up 2 other day-one picks.

We have more holes on this team than another halfback is going to solve.

And is this the way it's going to be? If he has a good game, his OL gets no credit for opening up those wide running lanes I've seen & the usually awful opponent is dismissed as "it doesn't matter" -- but if he doesn't have a stellar game then it's everyone else's fault (the QB, the OL, the misalignment of the cosmos, etc)?

The latter -- welcome to Run DMC's career with the NYJ. If I have to hear, after every loss, about what this $50M kid "would have" done if not for an interception or a tough opponent or if we had a superior OL or whatever other excuses...I will f'ing scream. And then him & Jones creating disharmony b/c they each want all the carries. As far as just releasing or trading Jones within the next couple of seasons: welcome to reality -- this will not happen. No team - particularly a bad one like this - is going to absorb $9M in dead cap space on one so-so player, for the privilege of awarding $50M in cap space to a single rookie prospect who plays the same position.

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We have too many areas of need that we cannot afford to go with McFadden for many, many reasons. Do you really want to pay Thomas Jones $5 million a year and Darren McFadden another $7 or $8 million? Do you really think he'll make a difference behind an inconsistent Offensive Line? I mean, if you think he's the next Adrian Peterson, which he's not, all the power to you, I guess you drink a lot, but you win games in the NFL on the lines. Offensive Line and Defensive line needs to be addressed first.

And no, Long is not my choice. He is undersized or oversized for both the 34 DE and 34 OLB position. I would like the Jets to take Dorsey and switch back to the 43, but that seems unlikely. I would like us to trade down and later on in the round and pick a pass rushing OLB and or a LG, depending if we could possibly trade with Dallas and get their 2 1st round picks.

You have named positions but no prospects. I understand where your coming from and would take Dorsey in a heartbeat if he was in a 4-3. Personally I think he'll be off the board by the time we pick (presuming were behind Miami) and even if he was available Mangini wont change this D for him.

I dont like the way you have to 'I guess you drink a lot' in a debate. I just happen to think Mcfadden's something special, if you dont agree with me fair enough.

I've said before that if we do indeed go after McFadden then we should address the O-line through free agency, prefferably with Faneca. If we got Faneca and McFadden IMo we could have one of the best rushing attacks in the league.

No matter what we do in the off-season, we will not have a top defence.

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You have named positions but no prospects. I understand where your coming from and would take Dorsey in a heartbeat if he was in a 4-3. Personally I think he'll be off the board by the time we pick (presuming were behind Miami) and even if he was available Mangini wont change this D for him.

I dont like the way you have to 'I guess you drink a lot' in a debate. I just happen to think Mcfadden's something special, if you dont agree with me fair enough.

I've said before that if we do indeed go after McFadden then we should address the O-line through free agency, prefferably with Faneca. If we got Faneca and McFadden IMo we could have one of the best rushing attacks in the league.

No matter what we do in the off-season, we will not have a top defence.

Guys we have 2 F'n 1st rd picks on our OL, How many teams have that luxury?

You all act like this is brain surgery? Draft another guard and sign 1 during

FA. Overpay for 1 , so you pay an extra quarter for a beer;)

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You have named positions but no prospects. I understand where your coming from and would take Dorsey in a heartbeat if he was in a 4-3. Personally I think he'll be off the board by the time we pick (presuming were behind Miami) and even if he was available Mangini wont change this D for him.

I dont like the way you have to 'I guess you drink a lot' in a debate. I just happen to think Mcfadden's something special, if you dont agree with me fair enough.

I've said before that if we do indeed go after McFadden then we should address the O-line through free agency, prefferably with Faneca. If we got Faneca and McFadden IMo we could have one of the best rushing attacks in the league.

No matter what we do in the off-season, we will not have a top defence.

If we add Faneca then we will have exactly one top run-blocker and one ok run-blocker and 3/5 of the line still couldn't push back a defensive line of 9 year-old girl scouts.

D'Brick = so-so at pass-blocking (average at best); awful at run-blocking

Moore = below-average at everything

Clement = below-average at everything

This does not sound like the recipe for anything CLOSE to one of the best rushing attacks.

And before anyone runs & says, well draft O-line with the other picks. Good. We also need at least two defensive linemen, at least two linebackers, plus two DB's who we actually WANT to see starting for this team.

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If we add Faneca then we will have exactly one top run-blocker and one ok run-blocker and 3/5 of the line still couldn't push back a defensive line of 9 year-old girl scouts.

D'Brick = so-so at pass-blocking (average at best); awful at run-blocking

Moore = below-average at everything

Clement = below-average at everything

This does not sound like the recipe for anything CLOSE to one of the best rushing attacks.

And before anyone runs & says, well draft O-line with the other picks. Good. We also need at least two defensive linemen, at least two linebackers, plus two DB's who we actually WANT to see starting for this team.

Playing alongside Faneca will improve D'Bricks run blocking IMHO (He'll be entering his third year so he will get better anyways) and with one side being as dominant as I believe the left side would be we could have a great running game. Notice when Seattle and Minny have had Hutchinson they're running game has always been incredibly succesful running to the left side, the right sides of their lines have not been great.

The right side of our line isnt as bad as you make out, Moore isn't the worst, he's just inconsistent, again I feel the veteran presence of an Alan Faneca would improve all of these guys. Clement is a problem, but we can surely find someone either in the draft or FA to at least be decent. Also as bad as the Jets run game has been this year, nearly all of our big runs have been off teh right side.

As for the defence, its going to suck no matter what we do there. Unless we find a true 3-4 NT that D can't be a top defence. We're not going to find that early in the draft so I really think we may as well draft the most talented player available and have a top weapon in our offence for years to come.

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If we add Faneca then we will have exactly one top run-blocker and one ok run-blocker and 3/5 of the line still couldn't push back a defensive line of 9 year-old girl scouts.

D'Brick = so-so at pass-blocking (average at best); awful at run-blocking

Moore = below-average at everything

Clement = below-average at everything

This does not sound like the recipe for anything CLOSE to one of the best rushing attacks.

And before anyone runs & says, well draft O-line with the other picks. Good. We also need at least two defensive linemen, at least two linebackers, plus two DB's who we actually WANT to see starting for this team.

So you are already writing off our #4 pick D-TBD

everyone loved mangold pick

you ever think our OL coach blows, what would Scarnechia do with this OL.

Sh!t he plugs in russ hochstein and wesliy britt and callaghan

I believe 1 OL FA signing and no i do not believe Faneca will come here, 1 or 2

draftpicks on guard and tackle... we will be getting extra picks for Barilla and vilma.. i hope

and how about signing a new OL coach.

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So you are already writing off our #4 pick D-TBD

everyone loved mangold pick

you ever think our OL coach blows, what would Scarnechia do with this OL.

Sh!t he plugs in russ hochstein and wesliy britt and callaghan

I believe 1 OL FA signing and no i do not believe Faneca will come here, 1 or 2

draftpicks on guard and tackle... we will be getting extra picks for Barilla and vilma.. i hope

and how about signing a new OL coach.

No. I want to trade down. I don't want to take a top 3-4 pick with so many holes & the compensation for one away so great.

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No. I want to trade down. I don't want to take a top 3-4 pick with so many holes & the compensation for one away so great.

Any recomendations to who we should take. Players not positions.

It's easy to say lets trade down and get a 3-4 LB or a 3-4 NT, but the fact of the matter is their aren't really any great ones out there. I'm not denying we're a team of many needs, I just think that with a talent like Mcfadden, RB would be a strength for along time on this team. We would then have a young talented offence with Clemens, Cotchery, Brick, Mangold, Washington along with DMC. Thats a group that IMO we could build around to turn into one of the top offences in the league.

On Defence, it will take a while and TBh until we find a 3-4 NT that demands double blocking its almost impossible to jusge what we have defensively, the whole 3-4 system cannot work without a 3-4 NT.

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If you cant trade down (and get ALOT for it), you take McFadden. Bottom line.

btw we need the f'ing 49ers to win some damn games or the Pats will have a top 5 pick and take McFadden if we pass on him.

Yes, we need Olineman and Dlineman but there is nobody worth a top 5 pick from either line in this draft, Dorsey and his bad knee included. Our starting running back is 30 next year and is not very good.

Grab McFadden and build around him. It is absolutely retarded to pass on him because we dont have great run blocking RIGHT NOW. Bender will take over at RT and all we need to do is sign Justin Smiley and we'll be more than adequate. McFadden is 20 yrs old, he would be our back for a very long time.

You guys who say we have 2 very good backs and therefore should not and cannot draft another because our run blocking sucks are being so shortsighted its not even funny.

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Any recomendations to who we should take. Players not positions.

It's easy to say lets trade down and get a 3-4 LB or a 3-4 NT, but the fact of the matter is their aren't really any great ones out there. I'm not denying we're a team of many needs, I just think that with a talent like Mcfadden, RB would be a strength for along time on this team. We would then have a young talented offence with Clemens, Cotchery, Brick, Mangold, Washington along with DMC. Thats a group that IMO we could build around to turn into one of the top offences in the league.

On Defence, it will take a while and TBh until we find a 3-4 NT that demands double blocking its almost impossible to jusge what we have defensively, the whole 3-4 system cannot work without a 3-4 NT.

No one knows the top 10 at this point in the season. This time last year it looked different than it ended up as well.

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If you cant trade down (and get ALOT for it), you take McFadden. Bottom line.

btw we need the f'ing 49ers to win some damn games or the Pats will have a top 5 pick and take McFadden if we pass on him.

Yes, we need Olineman and Dlineman but there is nobody worth a top 5 pick from either line in this draft, Dorsey and his bad knee included. Our starting running back is 30 next year and is not very good.

Grab McFadden and build around him. It is absolutely retarded to pass on him because we dont have great run blocking RIGHT NOW. Bender will take over at RT and all we need to do is sign Justin Smiley and we'll be more than adequate. McFadden is 20 yrs old, he would be our back for a very long time.

You guys who say we have 2 very good backs and therefore should not and cannot draft another because our run blocking sucks are being so shortsighted its not even funny.

Forget about Smiley, he just got blown up sir, never sign an OL with a shoulder issue.. even if it is a Bama boy.!!!!!!!

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Forget about Smiley, he just got blown up sir, never sign an OL with a shoulder issue.. even if it is a Bama boy.!!!!!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-11-08-2681974050_x.htm

SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) — The San Francisco 49ers put right guard Justin Smiley on injured reserve Thursday, one day after the starting lineman decided to undergo season-ending surgery on his right shoulder

Not sure what the success is of Olineman after shoulder surgery, but still he is not the only OG on the FA market that is available. And lets not forget the draft, where we can grab some OGs too.

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I wouldn't mind giving Gallery a look at guard. What do we have to lose? He'd be cheap, lord knows he may be cut this year anyway. There just have to be more guards/tackles than Faneca. We won't be able to upgrade either line without FA, or getting lucky and finding two more Mangolds.

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In another thread IrishJet I said that I wanted to trade down and take Quentin Groves out of Auburn. He's 6'3, 255lbs, a perfect fit for a pass rushing specialist at Outside Linebacker, something we definitely need. We can get him easily in the 20's if we trade down with someone like Dallas who will have two 1st round picks, both of which will probably be in the 20's (they hold Cleveland's as well as theirs).

Heck, I wouldn't even be horribly pissed if the Jets came out of nowhere and selected Jake Long (LT out of Michigan) and switched him or D'Brickashaw to the right side. You win with the line, the Jets need to take an Offensive Lineman in their first two picks unless they go out there and sign Alan Faneca.

Either way, RB is not a need.

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