Maxman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Seriously all they need is a LG, RT, FB, 3rd WR, 2 DEs, 1 NT, 2 LBs, CB, S. And some depth. They are really only like 14 players away from a dynasty. Think about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Seriously all they need is a LG, RT, FB, 3rd WR, 2 DEs, 1 NT, 2 LBs, CB, S. And some depth. They are really only like 14 players away from a dynasty. Think about it! did you write this thread after you ate the 14th donut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Max is in a time warp he thinks this is 1967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 ...and once they get all of these guys, the current young nucleus (Harris, Revis, D'Brick, Rhodes, Washington, Cotch, etc) will be ready to retire. Such is the life of a Jets fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 In the year 2046.....We'll be coming for New England, you'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Seriously all they need is a LG, RT, FB, 3rd WR, 2 DEs, 1 NT, 2 LBs, CB, S. And some depth. They are really only like 14 players away from a dynasty. Think about it! I think about it like this. By then, we'll have Kerry Rhodes, already one of the best Safeties in the league, in his prime. Both David Harris and Darelle Revis will have 3 years of experience by then and will both be close to their primes. Mangold, one of the better C's in the league, in his prime. DBrick in his prime. Cotchery in his prime. Leon in his prime. KC in his prime. No more DRob (contract runs out after 08) No more Ellis (contract expires next year as well) No more Barrett No more Vilma (good player but not a good fit-will likely be traded this offseason but contract expires after 08 as well) So, by 2009 we should have 8 key players all in their prime, and we will be rid of liabilities such as Drob, Ellis, and Barrett (whose replacements I hope are better). So, over the next two years if we can pick up a solid NT, DE, and LG, we can hopefully develop players such as Miller, Smith and Drew Coleman to take over some weak spots in the secondary and develop Bender into a serviceable RT, we should be a very compettitive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think about it like this. By then, we'll have Kerry Rhodes, already one of the best Safeties in the league, in his prime. Both David Harris and Darelle Revis will have 3 years of experience by then and will both be close to their primes. Mangold, one of the better C's in the league, in his prime. DBrick in his prime. Cotchery in his prime. Leon in his prime. KC in his prime. No more DRob (contract runs out after 08) No more Ellis (contract expires next year as well) No more Barrett No more Vilma (good player but not a good fit-will likely be traded this offseason but contract expires after 08 as well) So, by 2009 we should have 8 key players all in their prime, and we will be rid of liabilities such as Drob, Ellis, and Barrett (whose replacements I hope are better). So, over the next two years if we can pick up a solid NT, DE, and LG, we can hopefully develop players such as Miller, Smith and Drew Coleman to take over some weak spots in the secondary and develop Bender into a serviceable RT, we should be a very compettitive team. Thats all well and good on paper. But we're the Jets, arent we famous for being an almost team. We'll find a way to screw it up. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetheelz Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I just read about man landing on the moon. Exciting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 i think the expectations this year were WAY too high. Everybody was thinking dynasty after only one year. Its quite normal to have a sophmore slump. that being said i do believe we need to completley wipe the slate clean with the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Thats all well and good on paper. But we're the Jets, arent we famous for being an almost team. We'll find a way to screw it up. Again. Yes, that has been our motto but that is why we hired Mangini and Tannenbaum, to rebuild the team and to get this team beyond that 'almost' level. By 2009 if we're not there yet, thats when we pull the plug on Mangini... By then he will have had the time, money, and room to rebuild this team to the way he wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Yes, that has been our motto but that is why we hired Mangini and Tannenbaum, to rebuild the team and to get this team beyond that 'almost' level. By 2009 if we're not there yet, thats when we pull the plug on Mangini... By then he will have had the time, money, and room to rebuild this team to the way he wants it. Agree totally, I think we need to make a big splash in free agency very soon. Look at new England for Christs sake!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Agree totally, I think we need to make a big splash in free agency very soon. Look at new England for Christs sake!! Actually, no, we dont need to make a "big splash" in FA. We need to continue to build through the draft and to find the 'diamond in the rough' in FA. Look at teams such as the Chargers, Colts, Patriots (pre 2007). None of them were ever big spenders or big players in FA. They made some good trades, drafted very well, and found the right players for their system in FA. Its only been 2 offseasons under Mangini, and we're already seeing what its like to have a CS that is somewhat capable of drafting. IMO, we should really focus on LG in the draft... Not saying we necessarily have to trade down for one, but if we can get a good one in rd 2 or 3, definately take him over any other position. It would be nice if we could find a younger and better RT via FA just in case the Bender experiment fails as well. Next offseason will be the DL overhaul, with both Drob and Ellis leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Actually, no, we dont need to make a "big splash" in FA. We need to continue to build through the draft and to find the 'diamond in the rough' in FA. Look at teams such as the Chargers, Colts, Patriots (pre 2007). None of them were ever big spenders or big players in FA. They made some good trades, drafted very well, and found the right players for their system in FA. Its only been 2 offseasons under Mangini, and we're already seeing what its like to have a CS that is somewhat capable of drafting. IMO, we should really focus on LG in the draft... Not saying we necessarily have to trade down for one, but if we can get a good one in rd 2 or 3, definately take him over any other position. It would be nice if we could find a younger and better RT via FA just in case the Bender experiment fails as well. Next offseason will be the DL overhaul, with both Drob and Ellis leaving. We have been building throught the draft but a few quality FA's are a must. We need to have some experienced quality on this team. We can bring in all the talent in the world through the draft but the team will still need some good experience too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 We have been building throught the draft but a few quality FA's are a must. We need to have some experienced quality on this team. We can bring in all the talent in the world through the draft but the team will still need some good experience too. Yes, I agree. We do need to pick up some decent players via FA, even if only for depth. Do we need to, or should we make a big splash? NO... We are not even close to good enough to spend all that money on just one or two players that are over the age of 28. We need to really scan what's available for players that are good fits for our system and are good enough to get the job done if they're called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Seriously all they need is a LG, RT, FB, 3rd WR, 2 DEs, 1 NT, 2 LBs, CB, S. And some depth. They are really only like 14 players away from a dynasty. Think about it! and a year or two in experience points for a new qb, and probably a new RB once we finally collect all those other pieces, maybe a new 1 or 2 wr as well??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Yes, I agree. We do need to pick up some decent players via FA, even if only for depth. Do we need to, or should we make a big splash? NO... We are not even close to good enough to spend all that money on just one or two players that are over the age of 28. We need to really scan what's available for players that are good fits for our system and are good enough to get the job done if they're called upon. So we should defer to Tangini in their decisions except when you, the mighty GGM, tell us how it should be done? I guess they should hire you to rebuild since you are smarter than all of us, whom are not allowed to voice criticism of Tangini's decisions. If they bring in a bunch of FAs this offseason I guess they are idiots that should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 i think the expectations this year were WAY too high. Everybody was thinking dynasty after only one year. Its quite normal to have a sophmore slump. that being said i do believe we need to completley wipe the slate clean with the defense. i think we are a far cry from a software slump going from 10-6 to very likely 1-15, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 So we should defer to Tangini in their decisions except when you, the mighty GGM, tell us how it should be done? I guess they should hire you to rebuild since you are smarter than all of us, whom are not allowed to voice criticism of Tangini's decisions. If they bring in a bunch of FAs this offseason I guess they are idiots that should be fired. They should hire Sperm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 They should hire Sperm. Sperm has criticized the moves of this FO and has voiced the same concerns many of us have, and has been reamed for them. I tend to agree with Sperm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Sperm has criticized the moves of this FO and has voiced the same concerns many of us have, and has been reamed for them. I tend to agree with Sperm. Yeah me too, plus he'sgood with numbers and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 So we should defer to Tangini in their decisions except when you, the mighty GGM, tell us how it should be done? I guess they should hire you to rebuild since you are smarter than all of us, whom are not allowed to voice criticism of Tangini's decisions. If they bring in a bunch of FAs this offseason I guess they are idiots that should be fired. Did I EVER say you weren't allowed to voice critisizm?? Actaully, with the stuff you're posting it seems like your the one telling me that I cant voice my opinion. You disagree, understood, but instead of crtisizing me simply becasue I disagree, can you at least make an argument for your case? Id appreciate it, thanks. BTW, Woody, Jets, if you're reading this... Please take Serphnx's advice as he said it, not as he meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Did I EVER say you weren't allowed to voice critisizm?? Actaully, with the stuff you're posting it seems like your the one telling me that I cant voice my opinion. You disagree, understood, but instead of crtisizing me simply becasue I disagree, can you at least make an argument for your case? Id appreciate it, thanks. BTW, Woody, Jets, if you're reading this... Please take Serphnx's advice as he said it, not as he meant it. You can voice your criticism. But most Mangini supporters have frequently stated that Mangini knows better and they trust Mangini, including you. In order to voice a view in opposition of Mangini's actual philosophy or possibly future actions makes these people rather hypocritical, and makes it a weak stance to take. That is all I am saying when I say that. Perhaps I have been a bit harsh, but you have been harsh with plenty of people in the past so you don't really deserve the benefit of the doubt I'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 You can voice your criticism. But most Mangini supporters have frequently stated that Mangini knows better and they trust Mangini, including you. In order to voice a view in opposition of Mangini's actual philosophy or possibly future actions makes these people rather hypocritical, and makes it a weak stance to take. That is all I am saying when I say that. Perhaps I have been a bit harsh, but you have been harsh with plenty of people in the past so you don't really deserve the benefit of the doubt I'd think. Here's the thing: Mangini is in practice every day, he's in all the meetings with Tannenbaum and Woody, he is the one that talks to the players, and communicates with the medical staff... We're not any of the above. When I say I trust Mangini about a given situation, I mean that he knows a lot more than us about the situation and we're all just outsiders speculating. Thats how Mangini knows better. In order to voice a view in opposition of Mangini's actual philosophy or possibly future actions makes these people rather hypocritical, and makes it a weak stance to take. Im not quite sure what you mean by this. I think I have clearly expressed what I think the Jets/Tangini should and should not do. If they change directions and alter their philosophy against what I am saying they should do, then yes, I will be skeptical and I will begin to doubt if Mangini is really the right coach to rebuild the team. But so far, I feel he's done a pretty good job given the team handed down to him. Perhaps I have been a bit harsh, but you have been harsh with plenty of people in the past so you don't really deserve the benefit of the doubt I'd think Name two (and DWC doesnt count, lol.) BTW, no, I dont think you were being harsh, just a little hypocritical. You were making fun of me for voicing my opinion, while at the same time saying that I dont allow others to voice their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 BTW, Woody, Jets, if you're reading this... Please take Serphnx's advice as he said it, not as he meant it. Woody reads Jetnation. But only when his staff "forwards" him anti-Woody articles. Ah, good times. You would think they would have something better to do. Guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I think we'll be mediocre next year, good in 2009 and great after that for more than a couple years. Our SB window will be 2010-2015, if all goes to plan. Sometime between 2008-2012, we will win the AFC East again and take down the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I think we'll be mediocre next year, good in 2009 and great after that for more than a couple years. Our SB window will be 2010-2015, if all goes to plan. Sometime between 2008-2012, we will win the AFC East again and take down the Patriots. Make that 2009-2012... 2009 it begins. I say we will win the SB at least twice between 2010-2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Make that 2009-2012... 2009 it begins. I say we will win the SB at least twice between 2010-2018. I'll take just 1 SB victory in that time and run for the hills. Lets not get greedy now and ask for 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I'll take just 1 SB victory in that time and run for the hills. Lets not get greedy now and ask for 2! F that, Ill take 1 SB victory in the next 40 years and run for the hills. I really do think we're going in a really good direction with Tangini though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I say we will win the SB at least twice between 2010-2018. Fans of every team can say that, especially those teams with better than a 1-8 record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Fans of every team can say that, especially those teams with better than a 1-8 record. yeah, but it wont come true for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Making a prediction of winning SBs within the next ten years is hardly convincing. Keep drinking the koolaide though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Making a prediction of winning SBs within the next ten years is hardly convincing. Keep drinking the koolaide though. Ugh. Ive explained my reasoning enough times. If you dont agree so be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 No one can predict a SB for any team in the next 10 years. Their are 31 teams (excluding the Dolphins of course) who could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Ugh. Ive explained my reasoning enough times. If you dont agree so be it... Predicting that they'll win in 2015 is a lame argument. Because you'll change your tune if they don't win or make up another excuse... I hope they do win next season, but I'll take reaching a damn super bowl at this point or maybe even having a legit contender like the Colts and Pats year in and year out for 5+ years. When was the last time the Jets were real contenders? Yeah they had a few nice seasons now and again, but for the most part, it's always one and done and never to be heard from again. As far as this regime, you can't go 1-8 in your second season and honestly say it's a step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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