school bans ice cream

[johnny green balls]

thats sounds great.

so why be mad at the ONE school that tries to do something

it's an empty "feel good" move that accomplishes nothing. it's laughable and i'm not fooled by it.

[Thor99]

hence the flip flopping. i was too tired to explain -glad some other poster saw it too.

you fatso:)

I like to sneak into Bloomingdale High School to steal those kids' ice cream.

[CrazyCarl40]

I like chocolate peanut butter ice cream.

That's all I have to add to this thread.

[Garb]

this is an empty banning that accomplishes nothing except distracting from the real problem. it is worse than doing nothing. again: dessert in moderation is not the culprit. poor overall diet and lack of physical activity is.

I thought it was poor parenting? You know, "bundle of joy is over-protected by always busy/lazy mom and dad, and always gets a a trophy even though he/she is ten years old and still plays t-ball, which means they can't handle all the future stress and disppointments life will have in store for them...."

LOL!

I joke.

[dickkotite]

so does Raleighs now..

and I think they threw Mickey Ds out also

thank you.

thats right folks, some places are getting rid of soda machines and I think thats right.

Mickey D's in school? I rest my case.

[SouthernJet]

Wouldnt it be easier if they just mandated all foods and we had no choice and didnt have to think,,

I propose these are ONLY foods allowed in US Schools,,

[DHJF]

first of all Im not complaining and again you are missing the point here. Ill try it again.

Teachers are educated persons just like any other profession.

However, there is no money in teaching. thats just the way it is.

So, if you say that they are important then wouldnt you want the best that you could get to teach? whats the big deal?

So you expect a schooled person to go deliver papers or serve soft drinks 2 months a year?

Looks to me like YOUR the complainer. Just pay up and shut up

Of course I do.

I don't know where you live (FL?), but on Long Island there are thousands more available teachers than there are teaching positions. What does this say to me? It says: (1) Teaching is a highly sought after profession regardless of the "low" pay, (2) There are quite probably better teachers available than some who currently staff our schools, and (3) That instead of raising my taxes and throwing more of my dollars at the teachers, perhaps changing the screening process and raising hiring standards would be a much more effective way of giving my son "the best that (he can) get to teach (him)."

I expect a schooled person to make an educated decision with what to do with themselves for 2 months out of the year. Bitching, moaning, and complaining is not a decision. (I acknowledge that you're not complaining...in this thread, anyway)

[johnny green balls]

To be fair to DK, this isn't the argument you started out with.

oh i'm sorry, didn't realize this was a debate team and i was assigned one position to defend. as a discussion evolves, other elements emerge. talk about grasping at straws. besides how is it not? i said banning ice cream/dessert is ridiculous, kids need to learn that ONE dessert is ok when part of a balanced diet. DK brought up that the entrees suck, a new element to the discussion, and i agreed with that. that isn't flip flopping, that's responding (and actually agreeing) with a point brought up by someone else. how the hell is agreeing entrees are the culprit somehow flipflopping on my argument that banning ice cream is insane? in fact, they reinforce one another.

[johnny green balls]

I like to sneak into Bloomingdale High School to steal those kids' ice cream.

i'm gonna move to greenwich and sell it in the parking lot

[Garb]

Wouldnt it be easier if they just mandated all foods and we had no choice and didnt have to think,,

I propose these are ONLY foods allowed in US Schools,,

Do you have any idea how many carbs are in that oatmeal? Lot's. That stuff will kill yah

[SouthernJet]

oh i'm sorry, didn't realize this was a debate team and i was assigned one position to defend. as a discussion evolves, other elements emerge. talk about grasping at straws. besides how is it not? i said banning ice cream/dessert is ridiculous, kids need to learn that ONE dessert is ok when part of a balanced diet. DK brought up that the entrees suck, a new element to the discussion, and i agreed with that. that isn't flip flopping, that's responding (and actually agreeing) with a point brought up by someone else. how the hell is agreeing entrees are the culprit somehow flipflopping on my argument that banning ice cream is insane? in fact, they reinforce one another.

[Panzer Division Marduk]

I like chocolate peanut butter ice cream.

That's all I have to add to this thread.

And a very tasty addition it was.

[dickkotite]

this is an empty banning that accomplishes nothing except distracting from the real problem. it is worse than doing nothing. again: dessert in moderation is not the culprit. poor overall diet and lack of physical activity is.

Ok I can live with that

I agree: poor dieting is institutionalized as is video game sporting. BIG problem.

Again though... One school tries to make a difference. why blast them. You say it is an empty banning, maybe it is but someone there at that school, no matter how much you want to pooh pooh it, stood up and said that this is madness and that something should be done about it and they made an effort

they should be applauded for that, not chastized

there is also nothing wrong with simply NOT HAVING the temptation available. These are kids, not adults. No matter HOW MUCH they are told, they have not yet developed the cognitive ability to do what is right for them. That comes in early adolescence, if ever. Not in the 3rd grade

[CrazyCarl40]

So, and I am just hypothesizing here, why doesn't the school provide like a low fat frozen yogurt alternative instead of completely eliminating the snack?

And taking out the soda machines and yet leaving machines like gatorade or whatever sports drink in there is counterproductive because there is sometimes more calories and more sugar in those products than the sodas themselves.

It's all about self restraint and control people!

[dickkotite]

it's an empty "feel good" move that accomplishes nothing. it's laughable and i'm not fooled by it.

well with this logic, nothing will ever change. You can take that to the bank

[johnny green balls]

Ok I can live with that

I agree: poor dieting is institutionalized as is video game sporting. BIG problem.

Again though... One school tries to make a difference. why blast them. You say it is an empty banning, maybe it is but someone there at that school, no matter how much you want to pooh pooh it, stood up and said that this is madness and that something should be done about it and they made an effort

they should be applauded for that, not chastized

there is also nothing wrong with simply NOT HAVING the temptation available. These are kids, not adults. No matter HOW MUCH they are told, they have not yet developed the cognitive ability to do what is right for them. That comes in early adolescence, if ever. Not in the 3rd grade

every kid deserves an ice cream now and again. there are some kids who eat two meals a day at school because their parents need assistance feeding their kids. if they want an ice cream cup to wash down the tasteless healthy chicken fillet god bless em.

[SouthernJet]

I say lower my taxes and let the little bastards starve

[dickkotite]

Of course I do.

I don't know where you live (FL?), but on Long Island there are thousands more available teachers than there are teaching positions. What does this say to me? It says: (1) Teaching is a highly sought after profession regardless of the "low" pay, (2) There are quite probably better teachers available than some who currently staff our schools, and (3) That instead of raising my taxes and throwing more of my dollars at the teachers, perhaps changing the screening process and raising hiring standards would be a much more effective way of giving my son "the best that (he can) get to teach (him)."

I expect a schooled person to make an educated decision with what to do with themselves for 2 months out of the year. Bitching, moaning, and complaining is not a decision. (I acknowledge that you're not complaining...in this thread, anyway)

Ok but lets just be fair - everyone KNOWS that a long island teACHING job is golden JUST like what garb said.

Lets not look at the one extreme best case example. lets look at the overall picture and teachers usually start with 25k-40k and the yearly increases are horrible meaning in 20 years, you will be making just a little more than what you started with. No other profession has that.

Is this fair? Im not saying your bitching but how about the fresh out of school kid, with school loans, car insurance and rent making 30k at his first teaching job. How are they going to ever get a home? Am I not being reasonable and fair here?

[johnny green balls]

well with this logic, nothing will ever change. You can take that to the bank

it's just pathetic when they do something "for the children" that is really for their own aggrandizment. i wouldn't want healthy meals and no desserts anyway. a balanced diet affords some degree of moderate indulgement. one ice cream cup at lunch is a good way to teach kids not to go overboard. they would've impressed me (and it wouldn't have been a thread) if they eliminated chicken nuggets and pizza in favor of herbed chicken breast and lean hamburgers. but no, they wanted to make a big splash which accomplished much less than something that wouldn't have made headlines.

[dickkotite]

every kid deserves an ice cream now and again. there are some kids who eat two meals a day at school because their parents need assistance feeding their kids. if they want an ice cream cup to wash down the tasteless healthy chicken fillet god bless em.

ughh ok ok im ending here on a good smiley note

gotta go- planning for 8 weeks in france and croatia this summer!

[johnny green balls]

ughh ok ok im ending here on a good smiley note

gotta go- planning for 8 weeks in france and croatia this summer!

ya, you're underpaid.

[Boozer76]

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[johnny green balls]

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[DHJF]

Ok but lets just be fair - everyone KNOWS that a long island teACHING job is golden JUST like what garb said.

Lets not look at the one extreme best case example. lets look at the overall picture and teachers usually start with 25k-40k and the yearly increases are horrible meaning in 20 years, you will be making just a little more than what you started with. No other profession has that.

Is this fair? Im not saying your bitching but how about the fresh out of school kid, with school loans, car insurance and rent making 30k at his first teaching job. How are they going to ever get a home? Am I not being reasonable and fair here?

I understand your argument, DK. Is it fair that teachers raises are so low? I don't know, truth be told. However, I'm quite sure there are some teachers out there that deserve larger pay increases than they're getting. Maybe some sort of "performance-based" increase holds some merit?

I feel your argument is only fair to a point because becoming a teacher is a conscious decision that one makes. You should know what you're getting yourself into. And if you don't know, then shame on you.

[Barton]

I dont think many of you realize how terrible cafeteria food really is today. I never ate it, brought my own small lunch every day, but the majority of kids buy their lunches from the school.

And they also have accounts prepaid for lunch from their parents - for the entire school year. So the kids just type in their school code numbers at the food line and get whatever foods they want and however much they want. So on top of them getting as much food as they want every day, its unhealthy food. Nasty frozen pizza, cheeseburgers and fries every day, pudding, soda etc etc. Its no wonder why there are so many obese children.

This doesnt have a whole lot to do with PC. Ice cream has no place at a school either imo. What the f*** do you need ice cream at a school for?

[johnny green balls]

I understand your argument, DK. Is it fair that teachers raises are so low? I don't know, truth be told. However, I'm quite sure there are some teachers out there that deserve larger pay increases than they're getting. Maybe some sort of "performance-based" increase holds some merit?

I feel your argument is only fair to a point because becoming a teacher is a conscious decision that one makes. You should know what you're getting yourself into. And if you don't know, then shame on you.

it's a known fact that most teachers--at least if you believe the NEA*--are against any kind of performanced-based pay. so you're right, to some extent they want to have their cake and eat it too. (high pay AND tenure AND summers off AND no objective measurement of their job performance). but a fair amount of teachers joined the profession with noble intentions because for the most part, it is a thankless job except for the satisfaction of molding young minds. if they want to lobby for more benefits/pay fine, it's the american way.

*of course, i'm sure some teachers (probably the good ones who aren't afraid of evaluation) hate the NEA for their socialist leanings.

[joewilly]

it's a known fact that most teachers--at least if you believe the NEA--are against any kind of performanced-based pay. so you're right, to some extent they want to have their cake and eat it too. (high pay AND tenure AND summers off AND no objective measurement of their job performance). but a fair amount of teachers joined the profession with noble intentions because for the most part, it is a thankless job except for the satisfaction of molding young minds.

of course, i'm sure some teachers (probably the good ones who aren't afraid of evaluation) hate the NEA for their socialist leanings.

please stay on topic. this isn't about cake it's about ice cream. thanks

[johnny green balls]

please stay on topic. this isn't about cake it's about ice cream. thanks

ya got me JW, now apologize for being so funny.

[BP]

I dont think many of you realize how terrible cafeteria food really is today. I never ate it, brought my own small lunch every day, but the majority of kids buy their lunches from the school.

And they also have accounts prepaid for lunch from their parents - for the entire school year. So the kids just type in their school code numbers at the food line and get whatever foods they want and however much they want. So on top of them getting as much food as they want every day, its unhealthy food. Nasty frozen pizza, cheeseburgers and fries every day, pudding, soda etc etc. Its no wonder why there are so many obese children.

This doesnt have a whole lot to do with PC. Ice cream has no place at a school either imo. What the f*** do you need ice cream at a school for?

I was just thinking about this. I ate all this **** when I was a kid, but cable was just coming out, and there was no internet or xbox, or sp3 or video games. so I used to be super active and ride my bike all over the place, and play sports. I was not a fat kid, and I hit 6FT at age 13.

I think todays youth are just lazy (the majority of them), and that's the parents fault. when I drive to work in the morning the school bus has door to door service. some of these kids walk like they have 5 tons of concrete in there shoes going to the bus while it's holding up traffic.

[Barton]

I was just thinking about this. I ate all this **** when I was a kid, but cable was just coming out, and there was no internet or xbox, or sp3 or video games. so I used to be super active and ride my bike all over the place, and play sports. I was not a fat kid, and I hit 6FT at age 13.

I think todays youth are just lazy (the majority of them), and that's the parents fault. when I drive to work in the morning the school bus has door to door service. some of these kids walk like they have 5 tons of concrete in there shoes going to the bus while it's holding up traffic.

Yea its a different world now. What you need to do is look at Canadians. They might be kinda weird, but they dont have the obesity crisis that we do. They have video games too, but why arent they fat at a rate like Americans? I know a few Canadians, none of them are fat, and most of them havent had McDonalds or any of that fast food junk in years. And they keep active in some way (hockey, soccer etc etc), and even in small things every day like taking the stairs instead of the elevator.

[DHJF]

it's a known fact that most teachers--at least if you believe the NEA*--are against any kind of performanced-based pay. so you're right, to some extent they want to have their cake and eat it too. (high pay AND tenure AND summers off AND no objective measurement of their job performance). but a fair amount of teachers joined the profession with noble intentions because for the most part, it is a thankless job except for the satisfaction of molding young minds. if they want to lobby for more benefits/pay fine, it's the american way.

*of course, i'm sure some teachers (probably the good ones who aren't afraid of evaluation) hate the NEA for their socialist leanings.

I can see some of the pitfalls inherent in performance-based pay for teachers. (ie: Graduating failing students, or giving passing grades to failing students in order to meet/exceed performance benchmarks) But everything is measurable. As a sales manager, I'm measured not only on my personal sales revenue, but also on all of the actions I take to help my employees meet their revenue goals. Lawyers might be measured on their Win:Loss ratio, percentage of cases that are settled before going to court, etc. Perhaps teachers could be "graded" on several "measurables," not one single thing.

[SouthernJet]

I was just thinking about this. I ate all this **** when I was a kid, but cable was just coming out, and there was no internet or xbox, or sp3 or video games. so I used to be super active and ride my bike all over the place, and play sports. I was not a fat kid, and I hit 6FT at age 13.

I think todays youth are just lazy (the majority of them), and that's the parents fault. when I drive to work in the morning the school bus has door to door service. some of these kids walk like they have 5 tons of concrete in there shoes going to the bus while it's holding up traffic.

man, when i was a kid there were kids out at early evening playing all the time..i hardly ever hear or see that now..

[Thor99]

man, when i was a kid there were kids out at early evening playing all the time..i hardly ever hear or see that now..

I remember being pissed when the streetlights came on. That's when I had to come in.

In your case, it was when they came around and lit the torches.

[johnny green balls]

I remember being pissed when the streetlights came on. That's when I had to come in.

In your case, it was when they came around and lit the torches.

only after Ug discovered "hot burning flame thing" on my dad's 12th birthday

[joewilly]

man, when i was a kid there were kids out at early evening playing all the time..i hardly ever hear or see that now..

from the moment the schoolbell rang we used to dread the streetlights comin on which would end our 3-4 hr cardio session.