I say Pass on Vernon Gholston...

[Gibbon]

Let me correct your statement. The Jets would have been better off picking Gabe Watson over Schlegel period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Same goes for the two scrub benchwarmers E. Smith and B. Smith.

Meanwhile two years later, the Jets still have no real Nose Tackle on the roster.

Your opinion about Schlegel is, and has been noted (as has mine).

I would only point out that not only do the Jets have no real NT two years later, but only one real ILB.

My overall point about almost all of Mangini's 3rd + round picks is that he seems very quick to decide whether or not they can contribute -- almost like he gets his feelings hurt when they dont execute perfectly. Meanwhile he holds onto his scrub veterans -- Kassell, Chatham, etc -- like they are diamonds in the rough and gives them multiple opportunities to play even after they prove that they arent particularly capable of making plays.

Seriously, setting aside our different opinions about Schlegel, I think that Mangini has proven to be more than a little bit of a failure in terms of player development and I think his relatively cavalier attitude about his mid round picks -- both in who he picks and how many opportunities he gives them -- is relatively dangerous for this franchise.

Mid round guys are the foundation of most teams, but Mangini shows a marked preference for picking up cast off FA's and for concentrating his efforts at drafting and training his first and second round players.

[#27TheDominator]

You think that **** is easy?

Easier than trading Bryan Thomas.

Your opinion about Schlegel is, and has been noted (as has mine).

I would only point out that not only do the Jets have no real NT two years later, but only one real ILB.

My overall point about almost all of Mangini's 3rd + round picks is that he seems very quick to decide whether or not they can contribute -- almost like he gets his feelings hurt when they dont execute perfectly. Meanwhile he holds onto his scrub veterans -- Kassell, Chatham, etc -- like they are diamonds in the rough and gives them multiple opportunities to play even after they prove that they arent particularly capable of making plays.

Seriously, setting aside our different opinions about Schlegel, I think that Mangini has proven to be more than a little bit of a failure in terms of player development and I think his relatively cavalier attitude about his mid round picks -- both in who he picks and how many opportunities he gives them -- is relatively dangerous for this franchise.

Mid round guys are the foundation of most teams, but Mangini shows a marked preference for picking up cast off FA's and for concentrating his efforts at drafting and training his first and second round players.

Player development? Maybe, but cavalier attitude? What mid-round picks did he have such a cavalier attitude with? Eric Smith, who is always dinged, seems to be getting every opportunity to play. Brad Smith was getting a decent amount of playing time and moved up to #3 on the depth chart. Sure that was only because JMac blows, but Smith isn't exactly lighting it up. Leon may deserve more time, but is obviously a valued and trusted player. Hell, even Pociask and Drew Coleman have gotten significant time. It's only your boy that didn't see the field. I'd say the problem is more with who he picked than having a cavalier attitude.

[Sperm Edwards]

Schlegel isn't even starting on the sorry-ass Bengals. He started a handful of games when there was literally no other LB'er on the team. I think in the Jets game, Cincy was down to TWO linebackers on the active roster, one of them being Anthony Schlegel.

Once others were healthy, he was quickly demoted & re-assumed his prior role of doing nothing (other than when the starters needed a breather perhaps).

Gibbon - we took a couple of quality Ohio State players in '05 and '06 whose game translated well to the NFL level. Schlegel just wasn't one of them.

[drago]

Schlegel isn't even starting on the sorry-ass Bengals. He started a handful of games when there was literally no other LB'er on the team. I think in the Jets game, Cincy was down to TWO linebackers on the active roster, one of them being Anthony Schlegel.

Once others were healthy, he was quickly demoted & re-assumed his prior role of doing nothing (other than when the starters needed a breather perhaps).

Gibbon - we took a couple of quality Ohio State players in '05 and '06 whose game translated well to the NFL level. Schlegel just wasn't one of them.

Not to pick a fight, and i'm not even sold on gholston, but...

You stated a few weeks ago that you don't like the Gholston pick because he would be learning a hole new position. That's sort of a load of crap. It's not like we are taking a right fielder and drafting him to be a catcher. The game is football, you take on blocks, you tackle the ball carrier, you sit in a zone. If you can do that, and have an extreme case of 'athleticism' coupled with some heart, you have a player that could learn to play OLBer in the NFL.

As i said, i don't know if Gholston is the guy we want, but he is more than capable of learing a new position in the NFL. The complaint is clearly going to be, 'you don't take a guy at six, and ask him to switch positions'. Look at Bryan Thomas, he doesn't suck at OLBer because he doesn't have the 'skills', it's because he's a total deusch bag waste of life-*****. It has nothing to do with skill, or knowledge of the position.

Jumping between positions, like DE, and OLBer, or FS, to SS, are only big deals on the message boards. If a guy can play football, he can learn a new position.

There is no way Adalius Thomas is the smartest player in the NFL just cause he can go between all four linebacker spots, and play D-line.

[bitonti]

I would love to move Thomas, but who in their right mind would take him?

bryan thomas is the type of player that Jets fans love to s--t all over but on another team would actually be really good.

thomas is asked to go into coverage alot, hobson got to rush the passer. pace would replace hobson not thomas. a real DE on the other side would only help bryan Thomas.

[#27TheDominator]

Not to pick a fight, and i'm not even sold on gholston, but...

You stated a few weeks ago that you don't like the Gholston pick because he would be learning a hole new position. That's sort of a load of crap. It's not like we are taking a right fielder and drafting him to be a catcher. The game is football, you take on blocks, you tackle the ball carrier, you sit in a zone. If you can do that, and have an extreme case of 'athleticism' coupled with some heart, you have a player that could learn to play OLBer in the NFL.

As i said, i don't know if Gholston is the guy we want, but he is more than capable of learing a new position in the NFL. The complaint is clearly going to be, 'you don't take a guy at six, and ask him to switch positions'. Look at Bryan Thomas, he doesn't suck at OLBer because he doesn't have the 'skills', it's because he's a total deusch bag waste of life-*****. It has nothing to do with skill, or knowledge of the position.

Jumping between positions, like DE, and OLBer, or FS, to SS, are only big deals on the message boards. If a guy can play football, he can learn a new position.

There is no way Adalius Thomas is the smartest player in the NFL just cause he can go between all four linebacker spots, and play D-line.

Pass rushers can pass rush no matter what, but there is a big difference between being a down lineman and a stand up LB that has to drop into coverage. They will run Gholston through the drills at the combine and he has apparently played some in HS and at OSU. There are guys that simply cannot make that transition and can never get comfortable backing up. If you aren't sure the guy has the hips and ability to drop into coverage #6 overall is awful high to pick a guy who will be a 3rd and long pass rush specialist.

[khesanh]

Watch what happens with Red Bryant this year. He'll be available in the 4th round and Tangini will pass him up for a back-up safety who was in the Eagle Scouts and hunts wild quail with a slingshot.

And everyone will rave about it until Week 6 when our defense allows it's 5th 100 yard rusher.

If we could trade down with Dallas

Trade down with Dallas for 2 1st rounders

Free agent: Stacy Andrews OG, Alge Crumpler TE, Byron Leftwich QB Assante Samuel CB (optional)

1st 22nd pick - Pat Sims, NT Auburn 1st 28th pick 6

[Ghost]

Darren McFadden.

He'll help us out big time!

[drago]

Pass rushers can pass rush no matter what, but there is a big difference between being a down lineman and a stand up LB that has to drop into coverage. They will run Gholston through the drills at the combine and he has apparently played some in HS and at OSU. There are guys that simply cannot make that transition and can never get comfortable backing up. If you aren't sure the guy has the hips and ability to drop into coverage #6 overall is awful high to pick a guy who will be a 3rd and long pass rush specialist.

All of that can be addressed pretty easily at the combine. Even if he wasn't the best at backing up, look at bryan thomas, the dude rushes nearly every play...he sucks at it, but he still rushes. Everyone is clammering for the switch back to the 43, but we basically run the 43. Ellis lined up at LOLBer on more than a few occassions with Drob and pouha inside, and coleman to the right.

how is that not the 43?

Again, i'm not sold on Gholston, but if he can back up, and turn his hips, he may be just what we need. And for the love of god (sorry about the religon comment ) bench Bryan Thomas already!!!!

[#27TheDominator]

All of that can be addressed pretty easily at the combine. Even if he wasn't the best at backing up, look at bryan thomas, the dude rushes nearly every play...he sucks at it, but he still rushes. Everyone is clammering for the switch back to the 43, but we basically run the 43. Ellis lined up at LOLBer on more than a few occassions with Drob and pouha inside, and coleman to the right.

how is that not the 43?

Again, i'm not sold on Gholston, but if he can back up, and turn his hips, he may be just what we need. And for the love of god (sorry about the religon comment ) bench Bryan Thomas already!!!!

They need another LB then. Hobson is gone and I don't want Kassel or Chatham and I think they are both FA too.

[green_blood]

Watch what happens with Red Bryant this year. He'll be available in the 4th round and Tangini will pass him up for a back-up safety who was in the Eagle Scouts and hunts wild quail with a slingshot.

And everyone will rave about it until Week 6 when our defense allows it's 5th 100 yard rusher.

potw nom.

Just trade down the pick because of the amount of holes that need to be filled. Obviously top 5 talent isn't always worth it. D'Brickashaw? Maybe the Jets should let a chimpanzee with a tin foil hat draft the players, because in the past 40 years, the Jets have drafted nothing but ****.

[BroadwayJoe12]

potw nom.

Just trade down the pick because of the amount of holes that need to be filled. Obviously top 5 talent isn't always worth it. D'Brickashaw? Maybe the Jets should let a chimpanzee with a tin foil hat draft the players, because in the past 40 years, the Jets have drafted nothing but ****.

It's only been D'bricks' second year in the league would you atleast give him another year to see whether he was or wasn't the right pick. Also, when a team needs a LT and the kid is sitting there in your lap who everyone considers the best LT inthe draft, you don't pass him up.

As for the jets drafting nothing but sh*t; i won't mention coles or vilma becuase they weren't this managements choices, but Mangold, Leon, Revis and harris are all solid to very good players, if you want to blame our past ineptitude on our current FO than go for it, but mangini and tannenbaum have done a good job in the draft the last couple years.

[Gibbon]

Easier than trading Bryan Thomas.

Player development? Maybe, but cavalier attitude? What mid-round picks did he have such a cavalier attitude with? Eric Smith, who is always dinged, seems to be getting every opportunity to play. Brad Smith was getting a decent amount of playing time and moved up to #3 on the depth chart. Sure that was only because JMac blows, but Smith isn't exactly lighting it up. Leon may deserve more time, but is obviously a valued and trusted player. Hell, even Pociask and Drew Coleman have gotten significant time. It's only your boy that didn't see the field. I'd say the problem is more with who he picked than having a cavalier attitude.

Here's what I mean, Schlegel included.

06 Draft

Schlegel picked then Mangini quickly signs Kassell and before the end of the season, he signs Spencer. Both are little more than Special Teamers, both by all accounts receive more reps and definitely more playing time than Schlegel. Schlegel is cut in favor of those guys and Chatham. 3rd round pick wasted because Mangini does little with Schlegel.

E. Smith drafted but constantly in competition with guys like Drew Coleman who BTW was drafted in the 6th, the guy retread guy who hit hard but made lots of mistakes this year (cant remember his name right now), and Rashaad Washington. Even when he has not been injured has never been given the starting shots that others have been.

L. Washington has definitely gotten his shots and filled his roll on the team, but he got his chances to carry the ball in his rookie season because there was no one else, but even then Mangini went out and paid to much for Barlow -- gave up a 4th for him I believe.

B. Smith was drafted to play receiver. That experiment hasnt worked out very well. Most of Smith's touches are gimic plays or sets and he plays a lot of ST. McCarriens is still on the team and a bevy of retreads and UFAs are regularly brought in to compete for his spot.

Pociak (sp?) has seen less playing time than Ryan or Kowalewski and honestly Stacy Tutt was given more of a look at than Posciak

07 Draft

Mangini traded away all of the teams mid-round picks to secure two very good first day picks. I think both players the Jets got were worth it, but giving away those picks still indicates a certain lack of concern for their importance in building a team. I think Mangini was happy to get rid of them so that he only had to concern himself with picking guys that were consensus sure things and incridible long shots. Its almost like after all the shots Mangini took for their mid round selections in 06 he decided it was safer just not to pick in those rounds.

This is what I mean by a cavalier attitude about mid round picks.

[Gibbon]

Schlegel isn't even starting on the sorry-ass Bengals. He started a handful of games when there was literally no other LB'er on the team. I think in the Jets game, Cincy was down to TWO linebackers on the active roster, one of them being Anthony Schlegel.

Once others were healthy, he was quickly demoted & re-assumed his prior role of doing nothing (other than when the starters needed a breather perhaps).

Gibbon - we took a couple of quality Ohio State players in '05 and '06 whose game translated well to the NFL level. Schlegel just wasn't one of them.

Ok, did you even read my post or are you just assuming I'm still saying that Schlegel should be a starter for the Jets (which I dont think I've said since 06)?

I acknowledged that starting for the Bengals was no great accomplishment because of injury. Instead I pointed out that Schlegel played well in the opportunities he had and IF he had been the starter all season and played that way he would have had 80 tackles in16 games. Barton, btw, had 73 and everybody on the Jets talked like the guy was a superstar.

What Schlegel's playing time at Cincy proves is that he actually can play football at this level and he would have been a better backup for Barton than Kassell. There for it was an even more dumbass move on Mangini's part, considering he drafted him in the 3rd, to cut him without finding this out in favor of keeping studs like Kassell, Chatham and Spencer. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY REGARDING SCHLEGEL.

I do find it odd that you can refer to the Bengals as "sorry assed" when they finished the season with a significantly better record than the Jets.

Here's one more thing for you to consider. Just because you are a Jets fan doesnt mean that every player the Jets cut sucks and/ or will always suck. You didnt like the pick, I did. Fine. But, how can you defend cutting a guy that you spent a high pick on without giving him a chance to play? Its like buying an over valued stock one day and then selling it for less than you paid the next day. In other words, its stupid.

[will]

Ok, did you even read my post or are you just assuming I'm still saying that Schlegel should be a starter for the Jets (which I dont think I've said since 06)?

I acknowledged that starting for the Bengals was no great accomplishment because of injury. Instead I pointed out that Schlegel played well in the opportunities he had and IF he had been the starter all season and played that way he would have had 80 tackles in16 games. Barton, btw, had 73 and everybody on the Jets talked like the guy was a superstar.

What Schlegel's playing time at Cincy proves is that he actually can play football at this level and he would have been a better backup for Barton than Kassell. There for it was an even more dumbass move on Mangini's part, considering he drafted him in the 3rd, to cut him without finding this out in favor of keeping studs like Kassell, Chatham and Spencer. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY REGARDING SCHLEGEL.

I do find it odd that you can refer to the Bengals as "sorry assed" when they finished the season with a significantly better record than the Jets.

Here's one more thing for you to consider. Just because you are a Jets fan doesnt mean that every player the Jets cut sucks and/ or will always suck. You didnt like the pick, I did. Fine. But, how can you defend cutting a guy that you spent a high pick on without giving him a chance to play? Its like buying an over valued stock one day and then selling it for less than you paid the next day. In other words, its stupid.

Your argument about the other players drafted that year who got more of a chance (Coleman, Posiak, the Smiths) cuts against your point about Schlegel. As does your last statement that its stupid to sell a poorly bought stock the next day at a loss. The hardest thing to do in dealing in commodities (stocks, football players, whatever) is admitting a mistake and selling at a loss. But its usually the smartest move - cut your loss and move on (use the money or the roster spot elsewhere where you think you can better profit). Mangini should be commended for cutting his third round pick if he thought the roster spot could be more profitably used on another player. And his keeping the others indicates he is not a knee jerk manager of his roster (in fact he's typically criticized here for sticking too long with guys).

also, on another point, trading away picks in a bad draft (2006) was smart. And it doesnt indicate a "cavalier attitude" about mid-round picks. I bet in this year's much stronger draft that the Jets FO has a totally different approach - ie, I think they will accumulate picks. Anyway, the actions of the FO with regard to a single draft is statistically insignificant and cannot be the basis for a statement that they are 'cavalier' about mid-round picks.

In the end, Mangini thought that Schlegel was of too little worth to keep his roster spot on the Jets. He may be ok v the run as a 3-4 ILB but contributed virtually nothing on ST and was gonna be a target in the short passing game. IMO. Mangini was smart to cut him.

[Gibbon]

Your argument about the other players drafted that year who got more of a chance (Coleman, Posiak, the Smiths) cuts against your point about Schlegel. As does your last statement that its stupid to sell a poorly bought stock the next day at a loss. The hardest thing to do in dealing in commodities (stocks, football players, whatever) is admitting a mistake and selling at a loss. But its usually the smartest move - cut your loss and move on (use the money or the roster spot elsewhere where you think you can better profit). Mangini should be commended for cutting his third round pick if he thought the roster spot could be more profitably used on another player. And his keeping the others indicates he is not a knee jerk manager of his roster (in fact he's typically criticized here for sticking too long with guys).

also, on another point, trading away picks in a bad draft (2006) was smart. And it doesnt indicate a "cavalier attitude" about mid-round picks. I bet in this year's much stronger draft that the Jets FO has a totally different approach - ie, I think they will accumulate picks. Anyway, the actions of the FO with regard to a single draft is statistically insignificant and cannot be the basis for a statement that they are 'cavalier' about mid-round picks.

In the end, Mangini thought that Schlegel was of too little worth to keep his roster spot on the Jets. He may be ok v the run as a 3-4 ILB but contributed virtually nothing on ST and was gonna be a target in the short passing game. IMO. Mangini was smart to cut him.

The stock advice analogy isnt perfect, but there is no wisdom in selling something you bought quickly because of a very short term loss IF you are investing for the long term. Drafting a guy in the third round is normally a long term investment. To cut a 3rd round pick loose after giving him no chance to perform compounds the foolishness of picking a guy in the third that the consensus says had a 5th round value. The idea that Mangini is to be commended for cutting a player that has proven that he can fill a more valuable roll on a football team than the guys that were kept in his place is just silly.

For the record, Schlegel played 4 games on ST and had the Jets biggest hit of the year in one of those games as well as a block in the back penalty.

He had something like 8 ST tackles for the Bengals this year so he is hardly a liability on ST.

An ILB who is good against the run should sound pretty good to the Jets who consistently give up 100 yd games to even mediocre backs and rushing attacks. Finally, it is also important to note that Schlegel wasnt playing ILB in a 3-4 in Cincy, but MLB in a 4-3.

Again, my point isnt that he would be a Pro Bowler but a better backup/ sub for the Jets than Brad Kassell.

The real question is, was Mangini right to cut his previous years 3rd round pick to keep Brad Kassell or Spencer. It doesnt matter if Schlegel was taken too high the question is which would have been a better contributor for the Jets and has a better future as an ILB in the 3-4. In hindsight, I think the answer is clearly that Schlegel would have been a better keep than Kassell or Spencer.

[#27TheDominator]

Here's what I mean, Schlegel included.

06 Draft

Schlegel picked then Mangini quickly signs Kassell and before the end of the season, he signs Spencer. Both are little more than Special Teamers, both by all accounts receive more reps and definitely more playing time than Schlegel. Schlegel is cut in favor of those guys and Chatham. 3rd round pick wasted because Mangini does little with Schlegel.

E. Smith drafted but constantly in competition with guys like Drew Coleman who BTW was drafted in the 6th, the guy retread guy who hit hard but made lots of mistakes this year (cant remember his name right now), and Rashaad Washington. Even when he has not been injured has never been given the starting shots that others have been.

L. Washington has definitely gotten his shots and filled his roll on the team, but he got his chances to carry the ball in his rookie season because there was no one else, but even then Mangini went out and paid to much for Barlow -- gave up a 4th for him I believe.

B. Smith was drafted to play receiver. That experiment hasnt worked out very well. Most of Smith's touches are gimic plays or sets and he plays a lot of ST. McCarriens is still on the team and a bevy of retreads and UFAs are regularly brought in to compete for his spot.

Pociak (sp?) has seen less playing time than Ryan or Kowalewski and honestly Stacy Tutt was given more of a look at than Posciak

07 Draft

Mangini traded away all of the teams mid-round picks to secure two very good first day picks. I think both players the Jets got were worth it, but giving away those picks still indicates a certain lack of concern for their importance in building a team. I think Mangini was happy to get rid of them so that he only had to concern himself with picking guys that were consensus sure things and incridible long shots. Its almost like after all the shots Mangini took for their mid round selections in 06 he decided it was safer just not to pick in those rounds.

This is what I mean by a cavalier attitude about mid round picks.

I started to reply to this, but it's too tiresome. Let's just say that I don't agree. In particular about Smith who seems to be getting all the chances you wanted Schlegel to get despite not distinguishing himself. Elam has outplayed him. Like Will says, no reason to start the 3rd rounder based on draft position if he's being outplayed. PS: Smith started four games last year including two out of the last three and missed most of the preseason and week one for injuries

[Gibbon]

I started to reply to this, but it's too tiresome. Let's just say that I don't agree. In particular about Smith who seems to be getting all the chances you wanted Schlegel to get despite not distinguishing himself. Elam has outplayed him. Like Will says, no reason to start the 3rd rounder based on draft position if he's being outplayed. PS: Smith started four games last year including two out of the last three and missed most of the preseason and week one for injuries

This really isnt about Schlegel anymore for me. Its about another example of what I think is Mangini's flawed decision making. AGAIN, I'm not saying that Mangini should have "started" Schlegel because he was a 3rd round pick. I'm saying he should have kept and given him more opportunities to play to see if the pick was a real waste instead of keeping Kassell, Spencer or Chatham who cost the Jets virtually nothing.

To me, arguing that cutting Schlegel instead of one of those guys in light of what we learned about each player this season and last season was foolish. Do you honestly think that Kassell made the team significantly better than Schlegel would have? Spencer? Chatham?

As for Elam outplaying Smith, my memory is that Smith got himself in Mangini's dog house for some mistake in a game and that despite Elam's mistakes he continued to get playing time over Smith.

It just seems like to me that Mangini punishes the guys he was questioned for picking more when they make mistakes than the guys he picks up off the street.

[will]

Again, my point isnt that he would be a Pro Bowler but a better backup/ sub for the Jets than Brad Kassell.

The real question is, was Mangini right to cut his previous years 3rd round pick to keep Brad Kassell or Spencer. It doesnt matter if Schlegel was taken too high the question is which would have been a better contributor for the Jets and has a better future as an ILB in the 3-4. In hindsight, I think the answer is clearly that Schlegel would have been a better keep than Kassell or Spencer.

I understand your point. As a matter of fact I dislike Chatham and Kassell and accept that the Jets would be no worse off with Schlegel than those guys. Our disagreement, to the extent we have one, is that I trust in Mangini's overall decisionmaking. He has certainly made mistakes (as you once pointed out, he was fooled by the success of his first season and as a result didnt overhaul the roster as he should have but instead tweaked it - an example of which was trading the entire draft for two players).

One final thing from me about Schlegel. Its possible that Mangini was so upset with himself for having picked Schlegel that he justed wanted Schlegel out of his sight. We all know the purported circumstances surrounding the pick: ie, they wanted Gocong, who was scooped up ahead of the Jets, and they werent prepared with an alternate player (or whatever). This scenario seems to comport with your argument and it certainly wouldnt shock me if this was the case; but if so then so what? The Jets are no worse off with Kassell/Chatham/Trusnick than they would have been with Schlegel. So I say let Mangini have his psychic victory even if it cost us the boar hunter.

[Gibbon]

I understand your point. As a matter of fact I dislike Chatham and Kassell and accept that the Jets would be no worse off with Schlegel than those guys. Our disagreement, to the extent we have one, is that I trust in Mangini's overall decisionmaking. He has certainly made mistakes (as you once pointed out, he was fooled by the success of his first season and as a result didnt overhaul the roster as he should have but instead tweaked it - an example of which was trading the entire draft for two players).

One final thing from me about Schlegel. Its possible that Mangini was so upset with himself for having picked Schlegel that he justed wanted Schlegel out of his sight. We all know the purported circumstances surrounding the pick: ie, they wanted Gocong, who was scooped up ahead of the Jets, and they werent prepared with an alternate player (or whatever). This scenario seems to comport with your argument and it certainly wouldnt shock me if this was the case; but if so then so what? The Jets are no worse off with Kassell/Chatham/Trusnick than they would have been with Schlegel. So I say let Mangini have his psychic victory even if it cost us the boar hunter.

I agree with everything in the above post except the last statement or so.

I do think the Jets are worse off with Kassell, Chatham, Tursnick than with Schlegel because I think he is better against the run than any of them and this D still needs help stopping the run. PLUS, Mangini essentially got no value (not perhaps that he could have gotten a 3rd rounders worth of value from Schlegel) for the 76th or so pick from the 06 draft.

[PeterNorth09]

Can't we just all agree Anthony Schlegel is not good?

[Gibbon]

Can't we just all agree Anthony Schlegel is not good?

Tell you what Pete. I'll agree that Schlegel was never gonna start for the Jets if you'll agree that Mangini would have been wiser to keep him than Kassell, Chatham, or Spencer.

[PeterNorth09]

Tell you what Pete. I'll agree that Schlegel was never gonna start for the Jets if you'll agree that Mangini would have been wiser to keep him than Kassell, Chatham, or Spencer.

I can't think of a more pointless argument. Who would have been the better 5th string Lber? Kassell or Schlegel? That's an age-old debate right there.

[Sperm Edwards]

I can't think of a more pointless argument. Who would have been the better 5th string Lber? Kassell or Schlegel? That's an age-old debate right there.

What is going on? From out of nowhere PeterNorth09 is now funny.

[Gibbon]

I can't think of a more pointless argument. Who would have been the better 5th string Lber? Kassell or Schlegel? That's an age-old debate right there.

But again, what I'm really trying to get at here is Mangini's decision making. The quality of the players is only relative in regard to that.

And, now that I'm thinking about it, we wouldnt be (if we were debating the quality of LBs) be talking about 5th string LBer, because pro depth charts only go about 2 deep. We would be talking about who comes off the bench first. A slightly different proposition than you suggested Pete.

[Irish Jet]

I can't think of a more pointless argument. Who would have been the better 5th string Lber? Kassell or Schlegel? That's an age-old debate right there.