I say Pass on Vernon Gholston...

[Smizzy]

I like Gholston but after looking over the available free agents... Calvin pace is Vernon Gholston with 3 yrs experience.

Sign Pace and look in a different direction with the 6th pick.

[madmike1]

DRAFT OFFENSE.

[gangreenman]

If we can sign Pace, Briggs, or Suggs, I wouldnt be surprised to see us trade down so we can pick OL and DL.

We also could draft Gholston and try to move B Thomas.

If we do get one of those LB's in FA (which I hope we do), it should make things very interesting.

[124]

Drafting Ohio State players, as much as it pains me to say it, has been a good thing for the Jets recently.

I mean, look at the past two:

Nick Mangold and well... The second coming of christ, Mike The Nuge Nugent.

[Smizzy]

Drafting Ohio State players, as much as it pains me to say it, has been a good thing for the Jets recently.

I mean, look at the past two:

Nick Mangold and well... The second coming of christ, Mike The Nuge Nugent.

Where does the Wild Boar Hunter fit in there?

[flgreen]

Agreed,

But, Who do you take?

Lets say the Jets can not find a trading partner, no QB's are taken, and all the high rated players are taken. This all very possible,

If not Gholston, who do you take that is anywhere near the value you have to pay the 6 th pick in the draft?

[drago]

Where does the Wild Boar Hunter fit in there?

that's sort of the black sheep of the Buckeye crop. OSU, although they fail in the championship games, seem to have their top tier players do good to great things in the NFL. Not too many busts to speak of, if they are drafted high, they generally produce to their draft position.

In many cases they out play their draft slot; Pace, Gamble, Pickett, Wilkinson to name a few.

i don't really want Gholston, he scared me in the champ game, he didn't look like a top 10 player at all.

[gangreenman]

that's sort of the black sheep of the Buckeye crop. OSU, although they fail in the championship games, seem to have their top tier players do good to great things in the NFL. Not too many busts to speak of, if they are drafted high, they generally produce to their draft position.

In many cases they out play their draft slot; Pace, Gamble, Pickett, Wilkinson to name a few.

i don't really want Gholston, he scared me in the champ game, he didn't look like a top 10 player at all.

OSU was also outcoached that game, badly.

the OSU coaches were relying on Gholston and co. to get to the QB by themselves, so they dropped back the LB's in coverage. However, it seemed as if LSU knew this would be coming and double teamed Gholston at the LOS, and without extra blitzers, LSU was able to do this without worrying about a blown assignment.

I was shocked Tressel didnt realize this and make a halftime adjustment, after all if I noticed it on TV, he (or one of his assistants) had to have noticed it from the sidelines!

[BroadwayJoe12]

I'll understand wanting to pass on gholston, but not because pace is vernon gholston but with more experience. He is going to want a large contract and he has one good year in the 34, not the basis for a large contract in my opinion. He is heavier and slower than and doesn't seem to have the bull rush gholston does, but he is very good against the run.

I personally like finding talent in the draft and spending our money on those players when they succeed, instead of giving large contracts to guys with one productive year. I guess it all depends on what type of contract he is, but it just don't see him as our pass rushing specialist. 2.5 of the sacks came against detroit, 1 against atlanta and another against the rams; three teams with pretty porous offensive lines, if you take those three games away he didn't really dominate as much as someone who will command a big contract should.

I will admit that his level of production in his first year in the 34 is impressive, but we'll just have to trust our FO.

[BroadwayJoe12]

that's sort of the black sheep of the Buckeye crop. OSU, although they fail in the championship games, seem to have their top tier players do good to great things in the NFL. Not too many busts to speak of, if they are drafted high, they generally produce to their draft position.

In many cases they out play their draft slot; Pace, Gamble, Pickett, Wilkinson to name a few.

i don't really want Gholston, he scared me in the champ game, he didn't look like a top 10 player at all.

Just take a look at this video, they are all highlights of that one game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAOY9iLsno

He certainly looked like a top 10 pick to me. He forces atleast two incompletions, makes a tackle for 3 yards or less with a TE chipping him and a RT trying to block him downfield. However, there were times where he was in the backfield, yet LSU still got a pass off. This is because they out gameplanned them, they ran short routes to neutralize gholstons pass rush and ran a lot of plays to his opposite side. On the boxscore he may have dissapeared, but when i watched the game again, he most definately didn't dissapear to me.

[Greenseed3]

I like Gholston but after looking over the available free agents... Calvin pace is Vernon Gholston with 3 yrs experience.

Sign Pace and look in a different direction with the 6th pick.

I like the idea of getting "Gholston-the-phenom-34-pass rusher".... Or "Sedrick Ellis-the-phenom-ideal-34-NT".

But, if we draft the one that doesn't fulfill his billing I'll be pissed.

[Favorite_Toon]

DRAFT OFFENSE.

WORD UP lol

[Favorite_Toon]

DRAFT OFFENSE.

Just take a look at this video, they are all highlights of that one game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAOY9iLsno

He certainly looked like a top 10 pick to me. He forces atleast two incompletions, makes a tackle for 3 yards or less with a TE chipping him and a RT trying to block him downfield. However, there were times where he was in the backfield, yet LSU still got a pass off. This is because they out gameplanned them, they ran short routes to neutralize gholstons pass rush and ran a lot of plays to his opposite side. On the boxscore he may have dissapeared, but when i watched the game again, he most definately didn't dissapear to me.

Dorsey or ellis over gholsten... But DMC were its at..

[Sperm Edwards]

I like the idea of getting "Gholston-the-phenom-34-pass rusher".... Or "Sedrick Ellis-the-phenom-ideal-34-NT".

But, if we draft the one that doesn't fulfill his billing I'll be pissed.

Ellis is in no way an ideal 3-4 NT at around 300 lbs. Maybe 20+ years ago he would have been ideal. Nowadays, an ideal NT, even at 6'1, would have another 30 lbs on him.

[Gibbon]

Where does the Wild Boar Hunter fit in there?

Apparantly he fits in with Cincinatti where he made more tackles this year than Kassell and Chatham combined (I think). Glad the Jets didnt keep that guy. Kassell and Chatham are much better prospects and its not like the Jets used a 3rd rounder to pick the guy and then didnt let him play or anything.

I'm sure there's no way he could have backed up Barton and played as well as Kassell though. And its not like the Jets arent loaded at LB. I mean they've got a gimpy, undersized Vilma, an aging Barton, and an out classed Kassell, and . . . . who are those other super stars on the roster that are better prospects than Schlegel again.

[#27TheDominator]

Apparantly he fits in with Cincinatti where he made more tackles this year than Kassell and Chatham combined (I think). Glad the Jets didnt keep that guy. Kassell and Chatham are much better prospects and its not like the Jets used a 3rd rounder to pick the guy and then didnt let him play or anything.

I'm sure there's no way he could have backed up Barton and played as well as Kassell though. And its not like the Jets arent loaded at LB. I mean they've got a gimpy, undersized Vilma, an aging Barton, and an out classed Kassell, and . . . . who are those other super stars on the roster that are better prospects than Schlegel again.

Dear lord man! Post on a different topic. I'd have dumped all three of them and kept somebody that could play special teams - Spencer or McClover.

[Smizzy]

Dear lord man! Post on a different topic. I'd have dumped all three of them and kept somebody that could play special teams - Spencer or McClover.

I still don't know how McClover got released.

[AFJF]

Schlegel and McClover combined for 35 tackles this season.....just sayin'

[Gibbon]

Dear lord man! Post on a different topic. I'd have dumped all three of them and kept somebody that could play special teams - Spencer or McClover.

I didnt start it. And I do post on different topics.

FWIW the Jets did keep Spencer -- who was IR'd for non-injury reasons I believe 4 or 5 games in.

McClover should have been kept for ST instead of Chatham. What Chatham has on Mangini I dont know, but he apparantly has absolute job security here no matter how much he sucks. Maybe Chatham is Mangini's illegal video taping source, connection, etc.

My only point about Schlegel is that he was not given a chance to play and then released in favor of keeping guys who have since proven to be of minimal value. And, that people hear act like getting cut by the Jets means you cant play at all -- which several players have proven wrong.

As for Gholston, I can understand Smizzy's hesitance, but I think he will be a playmaker for somebody. I think he would be a terror at Hobson's spot and that is a vacancy that will have to be filled.

I would think the Jets would look at signing Keith Brooking as a veteran presence in the middle for a short contract so they didnt feel obligated to draft another ILB this season.

[PeterNorth09]

Ellis is in no way an ideal 3-4 NT at around 300 lbs. Maybe 20+ years ago he would have been ideal. Nowadays, an ideal NT, even at 6'1, would have another 30 lbs on him.

Hey Sperm, aren't you happy that the Jets passed up on Gabe Watson 2 years ago for Anthony Schlegel and the two Smith's.

What did Watson ever amount to besides the starting NT of a top 10 run defense in Arizona?

[Gibbon]

Schlegel and McClover combined for 35 tackles this season.....just sayin'

Just to admit that I made a mistake when saying that Schlegel had more tackles than Chatham and Kassell combined this season and clarify the above:

Schlegel -- 13 Games, 33 tackles (Schlegel missed a start after being injured at Buff and

then was saw limited or no play after another injured veteran returned)

Starting in the oft injured Cincy LB corps was not particularly difficult but in

his 5 starts Schlegel averaged 5 tackles a game -- projected over 16 games

thats 80 tackles.

McClover -- 5 Games, 3 tackles (he was injured at some point I think)

So in 18 Games those guys made 36 tackles avg 2 per

Kassell -- 16 games, 27 tackles

Chatham -- 9 games, 17 tackles

Spencer -- 1 game, 0 tackles

So in 26 games those guys made 45 tackles avg less than two per

These are not make or break stats of course, but I think it supports my point that the Jets cut guys who can play better than the guys they kept.

[Gibbon]

Hey Sperm, aren't you happy that the Jets passed up on Gabe Watson 2 years ago for Anthony Schlegel and the two Smith's.

What did Watson ever amount to besides the starting NT of a top 10 run defense in Arizona?

Pete:

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but I actually agree with your point. If the Jets were going to go out on a limb and pick Schlegel in the 3rd, not give him a chance to play, and then cut him they would have been better off picking Watson.

But Mangini probably would have left him off the dress list in favor of the undersized and often outmanned DRob and some other retreads, and then cut Watson after only letting him play in the last preseason game so what the hell's the difference.

[PeterNorth09]

Pete:

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but I actually agree with your point. If the Jets were going to go out on a limb and pick Schlegel in the 3rd, not give him a chance to play, and then cut him they would have been better off picking Watson.

But Mangini probably would have left him off the dress list in favor of the undersized and often outmanned DRob and some other retreads, and then cut Watson after only letting him play in the last preseason game so what the hell's the difference.

Let me correct your statement. The Jets would have been better off picking Gabe Watson over Schlegel period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Same goes for the two scrub benchwarmers E. Smith and B. Smith.

Meanwhile two years later, the Jets still have no real Nose Tackle on the roster.

[Sperm Edwards]

Hey Sperm, aren't you happy that the Jets passed up on Gabe Watson 2 years ago for Anthony Schlegel and the two Smith's.

What did Watson ever amount to besides the starting NT of a top 10 run defense in Arizona?

Don't do this to me PN. I like Fridays.

But it's like a train wreck you can't look away from. Install a 3-4 defense (on a team that didn't even have a NT appropriate for a 4-3 let alone a 3-4), and pass on not one but TWO stud NT's with size requisite for the position. And even after we passed on Ngata for D'Brick, the other one of them still miraculously drops to the top of round 4 when we have the last pick in round 3. You couldn't have scripted it any better for us. And then we said "no thanks" -- TWICE in a ROW -- as we took Eric Smith who can't beat out two scrubs going into his 3rd season & Schlegel 20 picks earlier who didn't even make it out of his 2nd training camp & couldn't even get on the field on special teams for us. Wonderful picks. Because it's just SO damned rare to find 5th-6th round talent at ILB and FS, we therefore had to scoop them up in round 3 in the deepest draft in a decade.

Friggin' amateur hour at Hofstra.

[PeterNorth09]

Don't do this to me PN. I like Fridays.

But it's like a train wreck you can't look away from. Install a 3-4 defense (on a team that didn't even have a NT appropriate for a 4-3 let alone a 3-4), and pass on not one but TWO stud NT's with size requisite for the position. And even after we passed on Ngata for D'Brick, the other one of them still miraculously drops to the top of round 4 when we have the last pick in round 3. You couldn't have scripted it any better for us. And then we said "no thanks" -- TWICE in a ROW -- as we took Eric Smith who can't beat out two scrubs going into his 3rd season & Schlegel 20 picks earlier who didn't even make it out of his 2nd training camp & couldn't even get on the field on special teams for us. Wonderful picks. Because it's just SO damned rare to find 5th-6th round talent at ILB and FS, we therefore had to scoop them up in round 3 in the deepest draft in a decade.

Friggin' amateur hour at Hofstra.

I thought Tangini passed up Gabe Watson 4 times in the 3rd and 4th round of that draft with only one of those players, Leon Washington, turning out to be any good.

Schlegel was an absolute disaster and the two Smiths are mediocre.

But hey, Sione Pouha is coming to the rescue! LOL

[NOExcusesNYJ]

i am down for gholston. you need to realize that the talent dropoff after pick 5 is insane! no way i would take jake long with pick 6 either.

[AFJF]

i am down for gholston. you need to realize that the talent dropoff after pick 5 is insane! no way i would take jake long with pick 6 either.

I don't know why but it seems that every season, no matter where the Jets pick there are fans that claim that the talent drop is HUGE from the pick before to their pick. I looked at the scouts inc. page a couple of weeks ago and they have SEVERAL players rated at 92 or higher. I just don't see this "drop off" that exists every single season in the minds of many Jet fans. JMO of course.

[Sperm Edwards]

I thought Tangini passed up Gabe Watson 4 times in the 3rd and 4th round of that draft with only one of those players, Leon Washington, turning out to be any good.

Schlegel was an absolute disaster and the two Smiths are mediocre.

But hey, Sione Pouha is coming to the rescue! LOL

You're right. I was thinking of Jean-Gilles that went before the Brad Smith pick.

Whether or not everyone totally liked the picks of D'Brick, Mangold, and Clemens; at least they were all justifiable. Schlegel then Eric Smith then Brad Smith over Watson. Even more, we had 3 DL veterans (Ellis, DRob, and Kimo before we knew he'd be a bust) on the roster so the kid didn't even have to start from week 1 nor start next to another rookie at DE, made me think that we must have some allergy to drafting (or acquiring altogether) NT prospects for a 3-4 defense.

[NOExcusesNYJ]

i agree with you and you have a point. we havent even had the combine, or pro days or anything like that when people can become much higher rate than they are now. i know where you are coming from

[bitonti]

agree with Smizz

it's funny how everyone was talking about all the great OL the Jets were gonna sign, first Gross for RT then Andrews at LG and THEN draft Gholston

meanwhile there are DE options like Justin Smith and Pace but all the OL are getting re-signed are franchised

the Jets might have to take another tackle very high folks, don't be shocked.

[PeterNorth09]

You're right. I was thinking of Jean-Gilles that went before the Brad Smith pick.

Whether or not everyone totally liked the picks of D'Brick, Mangold, and Clemens; at least they were all justifiable. Schlegel then Eric Smith then Brad Smith over Watson. Even more, we had 3 DL veterans (Ellis, DRob, and Kimo before we knew he'd be a bust) on the roster so the kid didn't even have to start from week 1 nor start next to another rookie at DE, made me think that we must have some allergy to drafting (or acquiring altogether) NT prospects for a 3-4 defense.

Watch what happens with Red Bryant this year. He'll be available in the 4th round and Tangini will pass him up for a back-up safety who was in the Eagle Scouts and hunts wild quail with a slingshot.

And everyone will rave about it until Week 6 when our defense allows it's 5th 100 yard rusher.

[Sperm Edwards]

Watch what happens with Red Bryant this year. He'll be available in the 4th round and Tangini will pass him up for a back-up safety who was in the Eagle Scouts and hunts wild quail with a slingshot.

And everyone will rave about it until Week 6 when our defense allows it's 5th 100 yard rusher.

[CoachTsurfing]

If we can sign Pace, Briggs, or Suggs, I wouldnt be surprised to see us trade down so we can pick OL and DL.

We also could draft Gholston and try to move B Thomas.

If we do get one of those LB's in FA (which I hope we do), it should make things very interesting.

I would love to move Thomas, but who in their right mind would take him?

[madmike1]

I would love to move Thomas, but who in their right mind would take him?

no one

[KSJets]

Watch what happens with Red Bryant this year. He'll be available in the 4th round and Tangini will pass him up for a back-up safety who was in the Eagle Scouts and hunts wild quail with a slingshot.

You think that **** is easy?