Tucker134 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 The last time he did it was in Arkansas the night of his DWI....where has his velocity gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 His mechanics are messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 His mechanics are messed up. I've read that a couple of places. Wang's mechanics are crap too. What's up with the Yankees pitchers and their mechanics? Bad mechanics lead to arm/shoulder injuries more often than not, or are a result from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I've read that a couple of places. Wang's mechanics are crap too. What's up with the Yankees pitchers and their mechanics? Bad mechanics lead to arm/shoulder injuries more often than not, or are a result from them. Same thing they did with Hughes. They're changing their motions some because they think it will be better for their health long term. Maybe it will be but who the f##k is Dave Eiland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Same thing they did with Hughes. They're changing their motions some because they think it will be better for their health long term. Maybe it will be but who the f##k is Dave Eiland? Dave Eiland is the kind of guy that typically makes a very good prospect. He was a very good prospect who never made it. Why? He was a good pitcher he just wasn't that good, lol. He had good control but no velocity. So maybe he is turning Joba and Hughes into his image. Paint the corners. 89mph is all you should need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 A few things with Joba: 1. He's overweight, which isnt helping 2. Im sure there's a mechanic thing going on. 3. And lastly, I dont think his arm will ever be the same. That injury was a lot more serious then led on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBayJetsFan85 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Joba will never and I repeat NEVER be an elite starting pitcher, put it this way...He's nothing like the prospect of as David Price and never has been. I'm not even quiet sure that Joba is even a STARTER...The man is a bullpen pitcher if I've ever seen one. He needs to pitch the 8th inning this year and once Rivera retires, he needs to be the closer because he's not meant for the role of a starter and I'll be honest...He could be one of the best closers in the game for years to come. He's been overrated because he has a fast ball, wow...Big deal, Didn't Kyle Farnsworth also have an awsome fast ball? Sabathia Wang Burnett Pettitte Hughes Needs to be the roation with Joba as the setup man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 The one stat they quoted last night-last years 34% of Chamberlain's pitches were 93 MPH or better. This year so far it's 3%.He also looks overweight. Suspect that this whole "strikeouts are bad; pitch to contact" horsespit is ruining every young Yankee pitcher. Which is why I like Sabbathia and Burnett so much; here's strike 1, and then strike 2. No nibbling, no BS. As to pitch counts; heard Tom Seaver say that he, Jerry Koosman and Nolan Ryan regularly topped 100 and often 150 pitches in their starts in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Yet each went on to have solid 2 decade careers. Leo Mazzone is also an advocate of throwing alot and between starts. If the Hughes and Kennedy a re going to come up here and throw strikes and challenge hitters, c'mon up to Fenway today. If they're going top nibble and pitch aroound the bottom of the order, don't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Says who? He threw a couple of Pitches that topped out @ 99mph, unless the YES networks radar gun is broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Says who? He threw a couple of Pitches that topped out @ 99mph, unless the YES networks radar gun is broken. According to YES' radar gun Lester hit 101 once or twice while the stadium gun said 96. Take that for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Says who? He threw a couple of Pitches that topped out @ 99mph, unless the YES networks radar gun is broken. The YES gun IS actually broken... But the point stands: There is nothing wrong with Joba or his velocity. He has to take a bit off in order to start. Even ask a guy like Al Leiter, when you only need to go one inning you can throw as hard as you've got, because you can get the ice out when you're done. When you need to pitch 6+ innings you have to pace yourself. And Tampa: You're an idiot. Joba is highly touted not because of his fastball but because he has 4 pitches that he throws at a pretty high level for a young dude. Finally: get over his weight. He's smaller than CC. He's thinner than David Wells. He's fine. How can you hate a man who has, in his short career, thrown at Youklis 4 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Joba will never and I repeat NEVER be an elite starting pitcher, put it this way...He's nothing like the prospect of as David Price and never has been. I'm not even quiet sure that Joba is even a STARTER...The man is a bullpen pitcher if I've ever seen one. He needs to pitch the 8th inning this year and once Rivera retires, he needs to be the closer because he's not meant for the role of a starter and I'll be honest...He could be one of the best closers in the game for years to come. He's been overrated because he has a fast ball, wow...Big deal, Didn't Kyle Farnsworth also have an awsome fast ball? Sabathia Wang Burnett Pettitte Hughes Needs to be the roation with Joba as the setup man. _-69zDk8qw4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 According to YES' radar gun Lester hit 101 once or twice while the stadium gun said 96. Take that for what it's worth. Agreed. The YES gun always reads higher than the stadium guns do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 How can you hate a man who has, in his short career, thrown at Youklis 4 times? This is an excellent point. If he'd dust Vaginatek a couple times, I'd buy his jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Joba will never and I repeat NEVER be an elite starting pitcher, put it this way...He's nothing like the prospect of as David Price and never has been. I'm not even quiet sure that Joba is even a STARTER...The man is a bullpen pitcher if I've ever seen one. He needs to pitch the 8th inning this year and once Rivera retires, he needs to be the closer because he's not meant for the role of a starter and I'll be honest...He could be one of the best closers in the game for years to come. He's been overrated because he has a fast ball, wow...Big deal, Didn't Kyle Farnsworth also have an awsome fast ball? Sabathia Wang Burnett Pettitte Hughes Needs to be the roation with Joba as the setup man. The quote in bold shows just how little you actually know about the subject being discussed. Joba was incredible because he mixed his high 90's fastball with one of the best sliders in baseball when he came up to the bigs. Some players compared it to John Smoltz who has one of the best sliders ever. It amazes me how many people will play the role of "expert" when they MIGHT know 1/10 as much as they pretend to know. Saying Joba was only known for a good fastball is like saying Jimmy Rollins is only good because he runs fast. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker134 Posted April 27, 2009 Author Share Posted April 27, 2009 The quote in bold shows just how little you actually know about the subject being discussed. Joba was incredible because he mixed his high 90's fastball with one of the best sliders in baseball when he came up to the bigs. Some players compared it to John Smoltz who has one of the best sliders ever. It amazes me how many people will play the role of "expert" when they MIGHT know 1/10 as much as they pretend to know. Saying Joba was only known for a good fastball is like saying Jimmy Rollins is only good because he runs fast. Ridiculous. so why do you think he looks so pedestrian so far this year? His fastball certainly doesnt have the life it did last year before the injury or in '07, right? He's also not hitting his spots & walking alot of guys...he just doesnt have the mound presence he had- maybe it's just a matter of time? His mechanics seem off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 so why do you think he looks so pedestrian so far this year? His fastball certainly doesnt have the life it did last year before the injury or in '07, right? He's also not hitting his spots & walking alot of guys...he just doesnt have the mound presence he had- maybe it's just a matter of time? His mechanics seem off.. Much like the Yankees, I don't know why he's not as effective as he was before. In my personal opinion, when a team spends weeks talking about how a guys "mechanics are off" I think it's another way of saying "we don't know WTF is wrong with this guy". I do think there is some validity to him taking a little off to compensate for the fact that he'll be going from 20-25 pitches per outing, to 85-110 per outing. My post however, was addressing the fact that TBJF has not a single clue as to what he was talking about in reference to Joba. He knows about as much as a kid who jumped on one teams bandwagon and then read two or three articles about each of their division rivals so that he could pretend to know everything about everything. He did not succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 His mechanics are messed up. Steroids. He is off the steroids. He is off the Clemens Juice. Steroids. Steroids. Steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 The YES gun IS actually broken... But the point stands: There is nothing wrong with Joba or his velocity. He has to take a bit off in order to start. Even ask a guy like Al Leiter, when you only need to go one inning you can throw as hard as you've got, because you can get the ice out when you're done. When you need to pitch 6+ innings you have to pace yourself. And Tampa: You're an idiot. Joba is highly touted not because of his fastball but because he has 4 pitches that he throws at a pretty high level for a young dude. Finally: get over his weight. He's smaller than CC. He's thinner than David Wells. He's fine. How can you hate a man who has, in his short career, thrown at Youklis 4 times? Two lefties with rubber arms. Joba is fat and out of shape. Its not helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicBizkit87 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Joba needs to be in the rotation now anyway, because if he's in the bullpen right now, and Wang on the DL right now, this is our rotation: CC AJ Andy Hughes (he pitched horrible last year, but he's got potential, and you'll see tomorrow) Kennedy (Do we really want him in the majors again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Joba needs to be in the rotation now anyway, because if he's in the bullpen right now, and Wang on the DL right now, this is our rotation: CC AJ Andy Hughes (he pitched horrible last year, but he's got potential, and you'll see tomorrow) Kennedy (Do we really want him in the majors again) Nope. Kennedy is injured, it would be Al Aceves in the 5th spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 I want Dave Eiland's head for our bullpen travesty and Joba's sucktitude. He's gotta go before he kills any more of our young pitching. WTF is Nardi Contreras doing in the minors? Get his ass up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 29, 2009 Share Posted April 29, 2009 The pen has to pitch 4 innings every game, at least. They arent the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Joba with 7 innings of 3 hit ball, thrown 95- 96 mph in the 7th inning. When does Tucker not have egg on his face? Everything this guy says blows up in his face. From the Mets, to the election, and to Joba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicBizkit87 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 The pen has to pitch 4 innings every game, at least. They arent the problem. In the past 3 games, the bullpen has only pitched 5 innings. Zero in Sabathia's start, 3 in Hughes start, and it's 3 in his start only because the offense decided to score 10 runs in the top of the 7th, and 2 in Joba's start. I'd say the starters have done excellent the last 3 starts, and the bullpen will be rested for the start of the Angels series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What was interesting last night was after looking much like he had all season through the early innings, he came out with a quicker pace and throwing smoke once he had the big lead. Last night was much closer to the Joba I expected as a SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What was interesting last night was after looking much like he had all season through the early innings, he came out with a quicker pace and throwing smoke once he had the big lead. Last night was much closer to the Joba I expected as a SP. It was like a light turned on, it was pretty weird...2 different pitchers before and after the 3rd inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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