CTM Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Where the hell did he say the problem is the defense? NO ONE [i think] in their right mind thinks that the defense is a problem. It's just their tendency to blow games that we are leading. ok then.. this defense is very good though. I have a hard time believing an entire defensive unit can be labled as "unclutch" If anything, it's just the regular old curse of the Jets at work here. We are masters at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 INJURY REPORT (Colts) Garcon: OUT Session: OUT Mathis: Questionable We SHOULD be able to run on them. I would imagine Freeney and Mathis will only be in on crucial downs, kinda like they did against Jacksonville. Session and Garcon being out is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 You know how good teams win games? They run the clock out on the offensive side of the ball. Good teams don't rely on their defense, no matter how good it is to make stop after stop after stop. If this team could kill the clock, or god forbid, score late in a game when it has a lead, our defense wouldn't constantly be put in a position to have to save the day. I watched all these games and I agree with Yellin here...Again, I put Schottenheimer at the top of the "to blame" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 You know how good teams win games? They run the clock out on the offensive side of the ball. Good teams don't rely on their defense, no matter how good it is to make stop after stop after stop. If this team could kill the clock, or god forbid, score late in a game when it has a lead, our defense wouldn't constantly be put in a position to have to save the day. best defense is a good offense'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 ANd what about ne 1, tenn, buff 2 Wouldn't it be nice not to have to make a great defensive stand late in every game to get a win? The offense puts a very good defense in a very bad position in just about every time we step on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 ok then.. this defense is very good though. I have a hard time believing an entire defensive unit can be labled as "unclutch" If anything, it's just the regular old curse of the Jets at work here. We are masters at grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory Call it what you want, but the defense is not great. Very good, but not great. All we can hope is that we ride our very good defense to 9-7 and the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Garcon being out is good. Yep. With Revis locked up on Wayne, that just leaves Collie, Clark, and Addai out of the backfield to worry about in the passing game. Anthony Gonzalez did practice this week, however....not sure if he's back or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 slats isn't. Damn right. The offense puts a very good defense in a very bad position in just about every time we step on the field. Except when the special teams beat them to the punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 You know how good teams win games? They run the clock out on the offensive side of the ball. Good teams don't rely on their defense, no matter how good it is to make stop after stop after stop. If this team could kill the clock, or god forbid, score late in a game when it has a lead, our defense wouldn't constantly be put in a position to have to save the day. I agree. The offense is the problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Yep. With Revis locked up on Wayne, that just leaves Collie, Clark, and Addai out of the backfield to worry about in the passing game. Anthony Gonzalez did practice this week, however....not sure if he's back or not. Gonzalez = IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Gonzalez = IR Can a player be taken off IR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Call it what you want, but the defense is not great. Very good, but not great. All we can hope is that we ride our very good defense to 9-7 and the playoffs. The defense is good enough, that with an average offense, we'd be legitimate contenders. I don't know how you can ask for much more than that out of one of your units. Think about it, if we didn't SUCK on offense, we'd be a very good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Can a player be taken off IR? Nope, when you go on Injured Reserve, you're shut down for the remainder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 The defense is good enough, that with an average offense, we'd be legitimate contenders. I don't know how you can ask for much more than that out of one of your units. Think about it, if we didn't SUCK on offense, we'd be a very good team. We'd have the division just about clinched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 The defense is good enough, that with an average offense, we'd be legitimate contenders. I don't know how you can ask for much more than that out of one of your units. Think about it, if we didn't SUCK on offense, we'd be a very good team. I completely agree with you, EY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Except when the special teams beat them to the punch. LOL. Repped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Call it what you want, but the defense is not great. Very good, but not great. All we can hope is that we ride our very good defense to 9-7 and the playoffs. The defense is very great, this season. What they aren't is an alltime great defense. Which is what you need to be a SB contender when you can't pass the ball.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I watched all these games and I agree with Yellin here...Again, I put Schottenheimer at the top of the "to blame" list. See sig. It's not just Shott IMO. I'd happily replace him, but on the field, we have a real problem at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 See sig. It's not just Shott IMO. I'd happily replace him, but on the field, we have a real problem at the QB position. there's two things we can only hope for going into the New Year Eric; 1-that they fire Schottenheimer and that... 2-we get to see that it really WAS his fault and that Sanchez DOESN'T really suck or we're in big trouble going forward and that Rex Ryan isn't going to be long on this job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I want to see the Revis/Wayne matchup. GO JETS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 there's two things we can only hope for going into the New Year Eric; 1-that they fire Schottenheimer and that... 2-we get to see that it really WAS his fault and that Sanchez DOESN'T really suck or we're in big trouble going forward and that Rex Ryan isn't going to be long on this job. There's 0 chance that it's ALL Shotty. What we need to hope is that we fire shotty and get an OC that knows how to better utilize the talents and weaknesses of a young QB, but perhaps more importantly, that Sanchez makes great strides this offseason, as he hasn't really done so during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I agree. The offense is the problem here. AND the Special Teams. AND the Defense for not closing out games. All 3 units are responsible. We miss Leon Washington on Offense AND Special Teams. He is by far a bigger loss to this team than Kris Jenkins was. Sione Pouha has played very well in replacing Big Jenk. We still haven't replaced Leon, and we won't. I think by him being out for 10 games this season that he has proved his worth to this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 There's 0 chance that it's ALL Shotty. What we need to hope is that we fire shotty and get an OC that knows how to better utilize the talents and weaknesses of a young QB, but perhaps more importantly, that Sanchez makes great strides this offseason, as he hasn't really done so during the season. I guess it's me HOPING it's Schottenheimer EY, b/c if it isn't....groan..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 there's two things we can only hope for going into the New Year Eric; 1-that they fire Schottenheimer and that... 2-we get to see that it really WAS his fault and that Sanchez DOESN'T really suck or we're in big trouble going forward and that Rex Ryan isn't going to be long on this job. I'm not sure if you could pin the failings of Sanchez on Rex Ryan and fire him if he busts. He's a defensive coach, and I'm not sure how much Ryan wanted to draft him, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm not sure if you could pin the failings of Sanchez on Rex Ryan and fire him if he busts. He's a defensive coach, and I'm not sure how much Ryan wanted to draft him, do you? Ryan knew he needed a Quarterback and he gave up 4 players to get Sanchez. He wanted him. He likes him. He's his guy. You cannot win in this league without good Quarterback play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 The defense is good enough, that with an average offense, we'd be legitimate contenders. I don't know how you can ask for much more than that out of one of your units. Think about it, if we didn't SUCK on offense, we'd be a very good team. No disagreement here, EY. But I am not going to sit here and suck off the Defense when they have in fact lost three games in the final five minutes. You cannot simply poo poo it and ignore it. The defense is good, it isn't great. It will be great when they stop blowing those late leads. We miss Leon Washington A LOT, on both Offense and Special Teams. Getting him back next year will be huge to the return unit, as well as Sanchez. Mark doesn't really have anyone to check down to, other than an inexperienced Woodhead. Leon makes plays, plain and simple, and we desperately need him back. And of course, the play calling isn't anything special, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm not sure if you could pin the failings of Sanchez on Rex Ryan and fire him if he busts. He's a defensive coach, and I'm not sure how much Ryan wanted to draft him, do you? Joe is right 8-0. Ryan tied his tenure here around Sanchez' neck-so as Mark goes, so does Ryan. If Sanchez busts Rex will pay the price with his job b/c you KNOW Tannenbaum will never get fired and will always be looking for the next scapegoat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 No disagreement here, EY. But I am not going to sit here and suck off the Defense when they have in fact lost three games in the final five minutes. You cannot simply poo poo it and ignore it. The defense is good, it isn't great. It will be great when they stop blowing those late leads. We miss Leon Washington A LOT, on both Offense and Special Teams. Getting him back next year will be huge to the return unit, as well as Sanchez. Mark doesn't really have anyone to check down to, other than an inexperienced Woodhead. Leon makes plays, plain and simple, and we desperately need him back. And of course, the play calling isn't anything special, either. I'm not asking for any fellating of the defense, I just think to condemn them this season is misguided as they're the only reason that in week 16 (while playoffs are still a longshot) we are actually playing a meaningful game. I just think this very defense would look a hell of a lot better if this team was capable of playing defense on offense, that is running the clock out or putting a late score on the board to close things out. As CTM said, the best D is a good O. You can call it 'letting the d off the hook', but I call it objectively looking at how teams win games. For us to win, we ALWAYS need a last minute stop. Good teams don't always put themselves in that position. ST has been a mess, and a surprise, and if not for gaffs, in spite of the offense, we'd have 2 more wins in vs MIA and ATL. You hate to see that. As for checkdowns, I put it on Mark because I'd rather check down to Joe Schmo than go deep to Edwards in triple coverage, which he currently has a tendency to do. With CP, we always checked down when we should have taken shots. Now we never check down and take ill advised shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Mark doesn't really have anyone to check down to, other than an inexperienced Woodhead. That's what she said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 No disagreement here, EY. But I am not going to sit here and suck off the Defense when they have in fact lost three games in the final five minutes. You cannot simply poo poo it and ignore it. The defense is good, it isn't great. It will be great when they stop blowing those late leads. We miss Leon Washington A LOT, on both Offense and Special Teams. Getting him back next year will be huge to the return unit, as well as Sanchez. Mark doesn't really have anyone to check down to, other than an inexperienced Woodhead. Leon makes plays, plain and simple, and we desperately need him back. And of course, the play calling isn't anything special, either. hopefully we'll have an OC that will utilize him-Schottenheimer NEVER learned how to do that-he should be being used like Meggett was, like Faulk is up in NE. No screens-hardly any sweeps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 So, is today the official end of the Jets season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 So, is today the official end of the Jets season? The only way the Jets are not eliminated if they lose today is if Miami, Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Denver all lose. We could also be eliminated with just a loss and a Dolphins win .... OR... a loss and wins by Baltimore and Denver. If we win, we're alive Week 17 no matter what. AND if these 4 things happen, we are in a "win and we're in" scenario against the Bengals: -Jets win -Jaguars loss -Dolphins loss -Ravens OR Broncos loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 The only way the Jets are not eliminated if they lose today is if Miami, Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Denver all lose. We could also be eliminated with just a loss and a Dolphins win .... OR... a loss and wins by Baltimore and Denver. If we win, we're alive Week 17 no matter what. well hey, at least the season lasted this long-who'd of thunk it last summer? One more week would be great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Injury Report New York Probable: WR Braylon Edwards, DE Shaun Ellis, CB Marquice Cole, S Jim Leonhard, CB Dwight Lowery, QB Mark Sanchez, OL Robert Turner Indianapolis Out: DT Keyunta Dawson, WR Pierre Garcon, WR Anthony Gonzalez, DB Jerraud Powers Doubtful: T Charlie Johnson, LB Clint Session Questionable: DE Robert Mathis, DB Melvin Bullitt, DE Dwight Freeney, K Adam Vinatieri Probable: RB Donald Brown, LB Gary Brackett, DB Antoine Bethea, LB Freddy Keiaho, WR Reggie Wayne, RB Chad Simpson, G Jamey Richard, QB Peyton Manning, DB Jacob Lacey, DB Tim Jennings, RB Mike Hart, DB Aaron Francisco, T Ryan Diem wow 23 players on Indy's in jury report-that's half an active team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Last week's didn't. DLJ used these: ~ ~ Also, I searched some old ones, and the Jets-Pats game had three *'s. Granted, we played our worst game of the season with the three asterisks, but you can't say there's any protocol anymore with the way the gameday threads have been done this season. In any case, no one was around to do it at midnite. No 124, DLJ, Max, SoFla, etc. No one. So its either this or nothing until someone would have woken up. Jerk. LOL I didnt make the thread because we lost last week and the boys usually bitch about "jinxes" and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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