Tom Moore might consult with the Jets

[Maxman]

When the Colts didn’t give Tom Moore a new contract after the 2010 season, they took a risk. A risk that an assistant who’s been as important as any during the Peyton Manning era could wind up helping somebody else.

Kirby Lee/US PresswireMooreSome fans will cite Benedict Arnoldism in this, but I think Tom Moore owes Indianapolis nothing.

He had a reduced role last season, doesn’t have NFL work now and is being courted to do some light consulting work for the Jets.

A source says the Jets would like Moore to go over film on occasion and offer a review.

It would be a smart thing for the Jets. An outside opinion from an experienced coach can be helpful, and if that opinion comes from a guy who was with a team you’ve met in the playoffs two years in a row, all the better.

Maybe Moore sees the Jets tipping something off or finds an easy fix to a problem that just didn’t come up from the inside. There can be great value in such things.

Moore passed on a chance to join the Titans as coordinator, telling Mike Munchak he didn’t know if could give the job all it deserved.

That would have really stung Colts fans. If a deal is struck with the Jets for this consultant deal, it should sting less. I don’t want to hear about his lack of loyalty. Sans contract, there is no such animal.

The Colts took the risk.

So a very important Peyton Manning confidante could have a role in assisting the team that knocked Indianapolis out of the playoffs last season.

[T0mShane]

Summary of the next 22 posts:

Schottenheimer sucks!

Then, Gato:

Butbutbut!

Then, the twenty posts after that:

Gato sucks!

Should be an epic thread.

[BurnleyJet]

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The Falcon Sucks

[Bleedin Green]

Summary of the next 22 posts:

Then, Gato:

Then, the twenty posts after that:

Should be an epic thread.

Don't be ridiculous. Clearly the Jets paying somebody else to help do Schotty's job proves how awesome he is at it.

[JiFtheOracle]

Maybe this is to help Rex stop Peyton. I'm guessing he's no longer scared of Brady, rightfully so, and his focus is on making sure they dont have to sneak by the Colts with late game heroics. We all know how unlucky Rex has been against Peyton. Maybe this is more defensive strategy than offensive. I'm sure Gato agrees.

[Integrity28]

All I can say is that if Tom Moore can get separation, why can't our WRs?

[faba]

Any assisitance he could bring would be a help- side benefit keep him out of helping the Colts.

[visajets]

How about Tom Moore replaces Schotte.

[hoping4ASuperBowl]

How about Tom Moore replaces Schotte.

pipe dream

[JetsFanInDenver]

How about Tom Moore replaces Schotte.

Makes too much sense to happen!

[T0mShane]

How about Tom Moore replaces Schotte.

Mark Sanchez has about 50 too few IQ points to ever try running a Tom Moore offense. His head would melt like one of those Nazis staring at the Ark of the Covenant halfway through their first film session.

[bitonti]

Makes too much sense to happen!

its like asking for Mark Brunnel to replace Mark Sanchez. Schotty takes a ton of crap but he's still under 40 which is a baby in the NFL coaching fraternity. Tom Moore, once very good, is well past his prime and can't handle the 18 hour days in modern NFL. the dude is in his mid 70s for pete's sake.

[Larz]

tom, " brian, calling slants on the goal line with a short QB is retahded. use edwards, he's a beast "

brian. "hey that isn't on me, a pass called isn't a pass thrown"

tom, "this is worse than I thought, screw this, where's my drink with an umbrella in it ?"

[Bleedin Green]

its like asking for Mark Brunnel to replace Mark Sanchez. Schotty takes a ton of crap but he's still under 40 which is a baby in the NFL coaching fraternity. Tom Moore, once very good, is well past his prime and can't handle the 18 hour days in modern NFL. the dude is in his mid 70s for pete's sake.

Yes, it would be exactly like that... if Mark Brunell was coming off of an All-Pro season and Sanchez was five years into the league with nothing to show for it other than a whole bunch of other guys brought in to take over pieces of his job as the years went on.

Perhaps Moore is too old to be doing this full time, but frankly I don't give a sh*t how young Schotty is, it doesn't make him any better at his job.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Yes, it would be exactly like that... if Mark Brunell was coming off of an All-Pro season and Sanchez was five years into the league with nothing to show for it other than a whole bunch of other guys brought in to take over pieces of his job as the years went on.

Perhaps Moore is too old to be doing this full time, but frankly I don't give a sh*t how young Schotty is, it doesn't make him any better at his job.

Great points. You had to be reading my mind.

[Maxman]

its like asking for Mark Brunnel to replace Mark Sanchez. Schotty takes a ton of crap but he's still under 40 which is a baby in the NFL coaching fraternity. Tom Moore, once very good, is well past his prime and can't handle the 18 hour days in modern NFL. the dude is in his mid 70s for pete's sake.

If he is burned out a bit, which I would think he would be, the consultant role would be perfect for him....

[SenorGato]

Maybe this is to help Rex stop Peyton. I'm guessing he's no longer scared of Brady, rightfully so, and his focus is on making sure they dont have to sneak by the Colts with late game heroics. We all know how unlucky Rex has been against Peyton. Maybe this is more defensive strategy than offensive. I'm sure Gato agrees.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE TRUTH!

Go Team Schottenheimer!Go team go!

[bitonti]

frankly I don't give a sh*t how young Schotty is, it doesn't make him any better at his job.

Mark Sanchez at 24 throwing 54% completion percentage is about the same as Schotty at 37 with a 13th ranked offense. neither are great performers all the time, both have potential to be better.

Jets fans seem to miss the simple point that if the team is good enough to make the AFC CG 2x in a row they probably don't need to can their OC.

Firing people doesn't improve the team.

if they did can the OC there's no obvious upgrades. making Mark learn a brand new playbook could be a pain... keeping the playbook without Schotty to innovate it is dumb. They are stuck in this position for better for worse.

[visajets]

Mark Sanchez has about 50 too few IQ points to ever try running a Tom Moore offense. His head would melt like one of those Nazis staring at the Ark of the Covenant halfway through their first film session.

Better Tom Moore than T0M Shane...

[Bleedin Green]

Mark Sanchez at 24 throwing 54% completion percentage is about the same as Schotty at 37 with a 13th ranked offense. neither are great performers all the time, both have potential to be better.

Jets fans seem to miss the simple point that if the team is good enough to make the AFC CG 2x in a row they probably don't need to can their OC.

Firing people doesn't improve the team.

if they did can the OC there's no obvious upgrades. making Mark learn a brand new playbook could be a pain... keeping the playbook without Schotty to innovate it is dumb. They are stuck in this position for better for worse.

Serious question: If after 5 years in the league Sanchez was making the same exact mistakes as he was his rookie year and showing zero signs of improvement, would you expect him to continue to be the Jets starting QB? Keep in mind, QBs are also given much more leeway than anyone else in football (players or coaches) considering the investment involved and how difficult of a position it is to fill (not to mention it's arguably the most difficult job in all of pro sports).

Fear of change is NOT an acceptable reason not to change, it's a coward's mentality. That's the exact mentality that causes losers to continue to be losers, and until the Jets stop getting "almost there" and actually accomplish something, change is a necessity in order to improve. With your kind of ridiculous logic the Jets would still have Mangini as HC with Clemens/Ratliff at QB while Rex would be HC of the Rams.

For someone so allegedly analytical and adept at scouting, the idea that you would use a blanket concept like the Jets making it to the AFC Championship as definitive evidence of Schotty's ability is laughable. The world simply doesn't work that way, unless you'd like to argue Trent Dilfer's vast superiority to every QB who's never won a Super Bowl. Isn't it a wake-up call to you that your best defense of Schotty is "well it could be worse"? Sorry, but that's not a good enough reason to do anything... ever.

[Sperm Edwards]

Serious question: If after 5 years in the league Sanchez was making the same exact mistakes as he was his rookie year and showing zero signs of improvement, would you expect him to continue to be the Jets starting QB? Keep in mind, QBs are also given much more leeway than anyone else in football (players or coaches) considering the investment involved and how difficult of a position it is to fill (not to mention it's arguably the most difficult job in all of pro sports).

Fear of change is NOT an acceptable reason not to change, it's a coward's mentality. That's the exact mentality that causes losers to continue to be losers, and until the Jets stop getting "almost there" and actually accomplish something, change is a necessity in order to improve. With your kind of ridiculous logic the Jets would still have Mangini as HC with Clemens/Ratliff at QB while Rex would be HC of the Rams.

For someone so allegedly analytical and adept at scouting, the idea that you would use a blanket concept like the Jets making it to the AFC Championship as definitive evidence of Schotty's ability is laughable. The world simply doesn't work that way, unless you'd like to argue Trent Dilfer's vast superiority to every QB who's never won a Super Bowl. Isn't it a wake-up call to you that your best defense of Schotty is "well it could be worse"? Sorry, but that's not a good enough reason to do anything... ever.

How could we let Herm go??? He took us to the playoffs 3x!!!

[SenorGato]

Serious question: If after 5 years in the league Sanchez was making the same exact mistakes as he was his rookie year and showing zero signs of improvement, would you expect him to continue to be the Jets starting QB? Keep in mind, QBs are also given much more leeway than anyone else in football (players or coaches) considering the investment involved and how difficult of a position it is to fill (not to mention it's arguably the most difficult job in all of pro sports).

Fear of change is NOT an acceptable reason not to change, it's a coward's mentality. That's the exact mentality that causes losers to continue to be losers, and until the Jets stop getting "almost there" and actually accomplish something, change is a necessity in order to improve. With your kind of ridiculous logic the Jets would still have Mangini as HC with Clemens/Ratliff at QB while Rex would be HC of the Rams.

For someone so allegedly analytical and adept at scouting, the idea that you would use a blanket concept like the Jets making it to the AFC Championship as definitive evidence of Schotty's ability is laughable. The world simply doesn't work that way, unless you'd like to argue Trent Dilfer's vast superiority to every QB who's never won a Super Bowl. Isn't it a wake-up call to you that your best defense of Schotty is "well it could be worse"? Sorry, but that's not a good enough reason to do anything... ever.

If after 5 years in the league Mark Sanchez was on his 4th OC like Schotty is with QBs, would Sanchez be the joke or would the Jets be the joke?

It's stupid to fire people because the fans have trouble dealing with reality. The reality is that Schottenheimer took a 23 year old Junior with 13 college starts and rode him to the AFCCG. He didn't do it once either, he did it twice. In fact, it was twice in a row in that QBs rookie and sophomore seasons. Sure, it was not pretty. No, it was not smooth. Sure, Sanchez's numbers aren't that of a Monster Superstar Save the World QB so far. That's not the point and that's not the goal. The point is to win football games, and under Schottenheimer's guidance Sanchez has done that and then more.

Oh, and it could be worse. Firing him doesn't make things better. Call it a bad argument all you want. I'm still unimpressed with "look at what he did with the 3 other QBs of various ages, skill levels, experience, and general NFL ability which we'll factor out" argument. The guy was given a stud, high first round talent at QB and he's done what good coaches do with that kind of talent. He's won games. Pretty numbers will come. It's a coward's game for blaming and looking to fire the OC for whatever it is you're still complaining about after Sanchez's first two years.

[bitonti]

Serious question: If after 5 years in the league Sanchez was making the same exact mistakes as he was his rookie year and showing zero signs of improvement, would you expect him to continue to be the Jets starting QB?

to use this metaphor, sanchez can expect to play for 10, 15 years tops. so you are asking if... 1/3 of his career is gone he's still making rookie mistakes would that be bad? Yes it would. Schotty can expect to coach until he's in his 60's. that's another 25 or 30 years. He's just getting started... and has worked with Brees, Rivers and Sanchez.

Believe it or not Schotty has an outstanding Resume by NFL standards. He WILL get a HC job. In fact he probably could have had one already in BUF or MIA.

one final point both Schotty and Rex are the sons of high profile head coaches... there has to be a bond there. Whatever we think doesn't matter, Rex likes Schotty and he will coach here until he gets promoted to run his own team somewhere else. He will NOT be fired.

[SenorGato]

How could we let Herm go??? He took us to the playoffs 3x!!!

I know we like to hold Schottenheimer to the standard of a HC, but offensive coordinator /= head coach job.