CrazyCarl40 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The fact that I root against boston doesn't change the fact that a Boston underling went to SD and traded their 28 year old best player making zilch back to his old team for nothing. Gonzalez makes 5.5 million this year. The entire Padres Roster this season is 45 million. He would have been 10% of the payroll if still there. They cannot operate like that and he was definitely going to command a big raise, one they could not afford. Such is the life of a small market club. And again, the Padres received top prospects and more than they would have if he left via free agency, which he would have and probably to the Red Sox. Please show me the articles blasting Jed in San Diego. I would love to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Just as an addendum, Jeff Moorad, owner of the Padres, signs off on all of the deals. Just so you know. So that means he agreed to the deal. So in your view, he must be in cahoots too and a terrible businessman and owner and he should be fired and run back to Boston too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Cone was making lots of money that year and gonzo wasn't. Yes, Cone was making $8m that year, but was only due only $1.9m after being traded on July 28th, as $3m of that was a signing bonus that had already been paid. Straight robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 That is not a fact, that is an opinion. Clubs trade MLB FA ready players for prospects all the time. Nothing new here. The Jed.Theo love story makes it new. If this was the yankees doing it you'd be ALL OVER it. You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 The Jed.Theo love story makes it new. If this was the yankees doing it you'd be ALL OVER it. You're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing. No matter that every one else sees you as delusional in this thread. Go ahead and continue to be paranoid about crooked deals and boogeymen in baseball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Hoyer is gonna get a sick bonus when he crawls back to Boston. He's basically been the difference in the AL East this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Back to current times, I assume that CC earned a few more votes tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Back to current times, I assume that CC earned a few more votes tonight. If Pedro Martinez never won an MVP, it's doubtful CC will. They just flat out don't give it to pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Jone-What trade offer did he have in hand that was better? Not sure you or I are lucky enough for that information I do know this, Jed didn't know either. This signing was preordained. The day Jed signed in SD, Theo knew he hit the lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Not sure you or I are lucky enough for that information I do know this, Jed didn't know either. This signing was preordained. The day Jed signed in SD, Theo knew he hit the lottery This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Not sure you or I are lucky enough for that information I do know this, Jed didn't know either. This signing was preordained. The day Jed signed in SD, Theo knew he hit the lottery Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If Pedro Martinez never won an MVP, it's doubtful CC will. They just flat out don't give it to pitchers. So you are saying that you didn't watch the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Seattle's lineup might be the worst in baseball history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Prove it. They cannot even justify him going to any of the other big market teams much less have proof. JOneE and MM will have there little circle jerk and claim conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmikeisback Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 C C "MVP" Sabathia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 C C "MVP" Sabathia. He'll garner some votes and he should. They don't give it to pitchers though. They have the Cy Young for that and that's going to be hotly contested too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I think Ells and Gonzo will probably cancel each other out Then again, the media buys into the Boston garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I think Ells and Gonzo will probably cancel each other out Then again, the media buys into the Boston garbage That's a distinct possibility. The top three guys in the Sox line-up could garner votes. Voting for the MVP and Cy Young in the AL will be very interesting. I wonder if the Verlander-Weaver game from this weekend will impact any voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 I think Ells and Gonzo will probably cancel each other out Then again, the media buys into the Boston garbage Says the fan of the most over hypes athlete in the history of man kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Top 5 in the AL in wRC+ going into today's games: Jose Bautista: 199 Adrian Gonzalez: 166 Miguel Cabrera: 165 Curtis Granderson: 155 Dustin Pedroia: 150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Top 5 in the AL in wRC+ going into today's games: Jose Bautista: 199 Adrian Gonzalez: 166 Miguel Cabrera: 165 Curtis Granderson: 155 Dustin Pedroia: 150 And what does this made up stat have to do with being the most valuable player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/offense/wrc/ Weighted Runs Created (wRC) is an improved version of Bill James’ old Runs Created (RC) statistic, which attempted to quantify a player’s total offensive value and measure it by runs. This way, instead of looking at a player’s line and listing out all the details (e.g. 23 2B, 15 HR, 55 BB, 110 K, 19 SB, 5 CS), you could synthesize all the information into one metric and say, “Player x was worth 24 runs to his team last year.” While the idea was sound, James’ formula has since been superseded by Tom Tango’s wRC and is based off of wOBA. Similar to OPS+, Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) measures how a player’s wRC compares with league average. League average is 100 and every point above 100 is a percentage point above league average. For example, a 125 wRC+ means a player created 25% more runs than league average. Similarly, every point below 100 is a percentage point below league average, so a 80 wRC+ means a player created 20% fewer runs than league average. wRC+ is also park and league adjusted, meaning you can use it to compare players that played in different years, parks, and leagues. Want to know how Ted Williams compares with Albert Pujols in terms of offensive abilities? This is your statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 So, Bautista, with the highest wRC+ has created the most runs for his team (park adjusted) and is therefore quantitatively the most valuable player in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 So, Bautista, with the highest wRC+ has created the most runs for his team (park adjusted) and is therefore quantitatively the most valuable player in the AL. He's so valuable his team is in 4th place. He can have a silver slugger. There are players way more important to their team than Bautista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 He's so valuable his team is in 4th place. He can have a silver slugger. There are players way more important to their team than Bautista. Not according to WAR: Jose Bautista 7.0 Dustin Pedroia 6.7 Jacoby Ellsbury 5.8 Ben Zobrist 5.6 Adrian Gonzalez 5.3 (3 out of the top 5 for Boston :D) I never bought the MVP having to be a on a first place team even before I got into sabermetrics. Sabermetrics has just confirmed that view. According to WAR, Bautista is worth 7 wins, which is the most of any player in the AL. The fact that his team is only a game over .500 just shows how much they would suck without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 With all the firepower those Sawx have it's sort of amazing that they are tied for 1st place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 With all the firepower those Sawx have it's sort of amazing that they are tied for 1st place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Gonzalez is going to win it, but Bautista is having the best season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Not according to WAR: Jose Bautista 7.0 Dustin Pedroia 6.7 Jacoby Ellsbury 5.8 Ben Zobrist 5.6 Adrian Gonzalez 5.3 (3 out of the top 5 for Boston :D) I never bought the MVP having to be a on a first place team even before I got into sabermetrics. Sabermetrics has just confirmed that view. According to WAR, Bautista is worth 7 wins, which is the most of any player in the AL. The fact that his team is only a game over .500 just shows how much they would suck without him. How many people who vote for these awards actually follow the made up stats? Look at the voting history and tell me they are going to give it to a player on a losing team. The fact that the Jays are only one game above .500 shows that they would be in 4th place without him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 How many people who vote for these awards actually follow the made up stats? Look at the voting history and tell me they are going to give it to a player on a losing team. The fact that the Jays are only one game above .500 shows that they would be in 4th place without him too. I agree with you there. Most baseball writers are complete idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I agree with you there. Most baseball writers are complete idiots. They won't consider CC because he's a pitcher, Baustista will be slighted because his team is not good. Two months to go it will be a very interesting vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Sawx fans get off on MVP's Yankess fans get off on World Championships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Sawx fans get off on MVP's Yankess fans get off on World Championships You never would of known that by the uproar when Morneau won the MVP over Jeter a few years back....deservedly so I might add. Weaver of the Angels looks like the CY Young with C.C. and Verlander fighting for 2nd place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 He's so valuable his team is in 4th place. He can have a silver slugger. There are players way more important to their team than Bautista. So if Adrian Gonzalez and Bautista switched teams Bautista would be more valuable? Jays would be 25 games under .500 withouy Joey Bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 So if Adrian Gonzalez and Bautista switched teams Bautista would be more valuable? Jays would be 25 games under .500 withouy Joey Bats. Tell that to the sports writers. I'm just going based on the voting history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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