faba Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 ATLANTA -- NFL owners have been told by the league to be prepared to vote on the new collective bargaining agreement between 3:30 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. ET, multiple sources said. Even though there may not be settlements on issues such as workman's compensation, the television damages lawsuit that is before Judge David Doty and the Tom Brady antitrust lawsuit against the NFL, owners are ready to move on and try to move forward on the issues that have been agreed upon, sources said. NFL Labor Negotiations and Lockout The NFL lockout began March 11, but an end appears near. ESPN.com Topics keeps you up to date on all the latest on the labor situation. More » Left unknown is how this affects the timing of the lifting of the lockout. One of the problems is that owners won't know for sure how players will vote on recertifying the union. Player reps gave a conditional vote Wednesday to move forward with the current agreements, but there still has to be a league-wide vote of players to come back as a union. With 1,900 players expected to vote, it is not known how long it would take before players could get the 50 percent-plus-one vote needed to come back as a union and accept the 10-year bargaining agreement. Players had been expected to vote Wednesday on a full proposal to settle the labor dispute, but they did not. Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay, after listening to the first hour of Thursday's briefing on the labor situation, said he believes talks have progressed enough to a point for the vote to take place Thursday afternoon. At least 24 of 32 owners would need to OK the deal. If it's passed by both sides, team executives would be schooled later Thursday and Friday in Atlanta, where they are meeting, on the deal's guidelines and how to apply them. Clarification would be needed on the 2011 NFL calendar, rookie salary system and new free-agency rules. According to a source, one of the settlement points is that the NFL might not have make changes in the franchise tag system. The players have been asking for a one-time franchise tag system for life for players, but the source said the final resolution to the deal might not involve any change in the current system. That would affect two plaintiffs in the Brady lawsuit against the league -- quarterbacks Peyton Manning of the Colts and Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints. Each have been franchised at least once in their careers and Brees is a free agent after the season. Manning is currently an unsigned franchise player. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell maintained contact with NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith throughout Wednesday evening and Thursday morning in one-on-one phone conversations to iron out remaining issues in the bargaining process, a league source told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio. Goodell joined the NFL's management council executive committee when it began meeting at 8 a.m. ET in Atlanta, while still staying in contact with Smith via phone. The committee was joined by the full ownership group at 10:15 a.m. ET. If the four-month lockout -- the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987 -- is going to end in time to keep the preseason completely intact, the players and owners almost certainly must ratify the deal this week. The St. Louis Rams and Chicago Bears are scheduled to open the preseason Aug. 7 in the Hall of Fame game. Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher told ESPN's George Smith that he doubts that opening preseason game will happen. "I think the Hall of Fame Game is a no go even if we get it done today," he said, adding that "we still have to have time for free agency and all that stuff." The Bears were scheduled to open training camp Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Multiple Twitter sources saying that owners will sign tonight but include a provision that the players must recertify in the next few days. Players could report tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The owner votes and it passed! Waiting for 8pm conference call with the NFLPA tonight!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Vote count 31 for 1 abstained (Raiders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 From what it sounds like even with the the conf call tonight the players will still not vote tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 From what it sounds like even with the the conf call tonight the players will still not vote tonight Doesn't matter, the owners will left the lockout either way with the condition that the players vote and re-certify. (By a certain date I presume) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Clayton says the lockout wont be lifted until next week because all legal issues need to be resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 **** this. i honestly had enough. i had a half day from work so ive been sitting in front of the TV and online since 1230. and this sh*t just pisses me off. **** YOU NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Rodger's new conf in a few min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Clayton says the lockout wont be lifted until next week because all legal issues need to be resolved. It sounds like it might be in the bag with the players. Goodell and Smith were on the phone for an hour before the owners voted. If the players vote tonight, the league could effectively start operations immediately, with the lawsuits issue to be settled over the next few days. Essentially, the lockout will be over, they'll wait two days for Smith to resolve Brady vs. NFL, then open FA on Monday-Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 League year starts Wednesday, Facilities open on sat, NO HOF game this year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Hall of Fame game off. Pending player approval, players can report Saturday. League year (free agency) starts next Weds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 League year starts Wednesday, Facilities open on sat, NO HOF game this year . Ah. Ninja'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Can start singing FA and rookies now and FA should start Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Can start singing FA and rookies now and FA should start Wednesday Pash said that's only if the NFLPA ratifies he said those contacts would be in "suspend animation" until then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Welcome back everybody to NYJETS football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Doesn't matter, the owners will lift the lockout either way with the condition that the players vote and re-certify. (By a certain date I presume) Called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 No slotted rookie scale there will be a pool of $ with a definitive cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Called it. Ten minutes before it happened? You're like Nostradamus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Ratifying is a act of a union so it will not done till the NFLPA becomes a union again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Holy sh*t. Rosters to be at 90 players Wednesday. Anyone want to be Jets camp fodder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 If the player team reps let the players vote on proposal it will get voted in, but from what I'm hearing on twitter is that those 32 player reps will not rush into this deal and they feel pushed into a corner to do so. This is very bad news I don't see this getting done any time soon if those player reps don't push it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Apparently the players are annoyed by something to do with the revenue-sharing component that the owners slipped in at the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Some bullet points on the deal: Highlights Of Proposed CBA Details of the proposed collective bargaining agreement that would need to be ratified by NFL players: • Ten-year deal, through the 2020 season • New league year would begin on Wednesday • Players receive 48 percent of revenue in first portion of deal • $120 million salary cap; team minimum 89 percent ($106.8M) as long as league spends 99 percent ($3.8B) • Veterans earn free agency after fourth season • Four-year rookie contracts, with team option for fifth year • Lower rookie salaries, with cap on team spending for rookies • Later training camps, no more full-contact, two-a-day practices • Offseason team activities (OTAs) reduced from 14 to nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Some bullet points on the deal: Highlights Of Proposed CBA Details of the proposed collective bargaining agreement that would need to be ratified by NFL players: • Ten-year deal, through the 2020 season • New league year would begin on Wednesday • Players receive 48 percent of revenue in first portion of deal • $120 million salary cap; team minimum 89 percent ($106.8M) as long as league spends 99 percent ($3.8B) • Veterans earn free agency after fourth season • Four-year rookie contracts, with team option for fifth year • Lower rookie salaries, with cap on team spending for rookies • Later training camps, no more full-contact, two-a-day practices • Offseason team activities (OTAs) reduced from 14 to nine This will turn out to be useless information because D Smith has just put out an email saying they did not bargain this deal and that the PA has not agreed to any deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Sounds like this is now turning into a strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ESPN is hedging saying there really ain't no deal yet. Herm Edwards just said he thinks the players "got hoodwinked, they got bamboozled!" Herman X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 IMO, this is just Smith not wanting to look like he got pushed into a corner. He'll bitch for an hour, then sign it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Also if the owners voted 31-0 that can't be a good deal for the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 ESPN is hedging saying there really ain't no deal yet. Herm Edwards just said he thinks the players "got hoodwinked, they got bamboozled!" Herman X I think if Malcolm X knew that Herm Edwards was quoting him, he'd re-assassinate himself and save the CIA another bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 UNREAL! RT@Jay_Glazer: Hearing players will NOT vote bc they haven't even seen what owners have done w changes players made to proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 RT @dkaplanSBJ: USA Today reporting players have rejected the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 RT @dkaplanSBJ: Now hearing USA Today report not accurate. Dosn't mean players like the owners proposal, just no rejection, yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 I think Jay Glazer is tapped into the players and believe they will not vote tonight. But I think they will vote tomorrow on a revised deal very small change the timeline to bargain on issues not agreed to yet pushed past July 30th, that is where most of the anger is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 There will be no vote by the players tonight see you tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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