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Calvin Pace and Jets defense air gripes about offense (FINALLY)


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#51 bitonti

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:47 AM

the idea of right and wrong you guys can keep track if you like. i can bump threads too. but I come to this board to flush out my own thinking about the team. the thoughts are often coming from a place of devils advocate and they are rarely fully formed. If you guys want to hold on to those statements from weeks or years ago, and then bring them back to "prove me wrong" that's your business. my goal is to discuss the team. not to have some sort of cosmic scoreboard of rights and wrongs.
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#52 bitonti

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

Hey Calvin, let's not make our defense out to be the '85 Bears either ... you guys suck, too.

I know ... Last 3 weeks ... who'd you play ... Arizona? Jacksonville? Tennessee? Might has well been playing a local area high school team.

How'd you do against New England? San Francisco? Pittsburgh? Even Buffalo or Miami?

Offense, Defense, Special Teams ... the whole team's a f'ing joke.


They aren't the 85 bears but they did their job. the team smoked Indianapolis easily a playoff team. and alot of those defensive breakdowns against good teams, happened because the offense went 3 and out all day. or worse turned the ball over with a short field. If the Qb leads the league in turnovers for the last 2 years, the defense is gonna be put in some tough spots.
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#53 Jetfan13

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

The Dee scored more points in the Seattle game then the Off did.

Edited by Jetfan13, 19 December 2012 - 11:57 AM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

the idea of right and wrong you guys can keep track if you like. i can bump threads too. but I come to this board to flush out my own thinking about the team. the thoughts are often coming from a place of devils advocate and they are rarely fully formed. If you guys want to hold on to those statements from weeks or years ago, and then bring them back to "prove me wrong" that's your business. my goal is to discuss the team. not to have some sort of cosmic scoreboard of rights and wrongs.


This all sounds great in theory, but what makes it complete nonsense is that you try to play this card every time you are proven wrong, but act like a pompous ass every time you've convinced yourself that you're right (regardless of if you are). Basically, your big gripe is that you don't want to be treated the same way you act towards people who you are convinced are wrong.

Although you certainly hit the nail on the head when you said your arguments are rarely fully formed, I'll give you that.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:35 PM

This all sounds great in theory, but what makes it complete nonsense is that you try to play this card every time you are proven wrong,


I remember a certain draft expert saying Omar Jacobs would be a franchise QB. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong at any given time, in the end we are all Jets fans. I'd rather say things that are not fully form and have a discussion than worry about my track record of rights versus wrongs. I could bump all the threads where i said garrett macintyre was better than aaron maybin but you don't actually care about that. You have an idea of who I am in your head and you hate that person. This isn't about accuracy it's probably about politics or some other BS thing. if you actually followed my posts you'd know that I never said I was an expert and i never pretended to be right all the time. And the big things that I was wrong about, i've publically mea culpa'ed for. but again you don't really care about right and wrong this is about something personal i'm fairly certain. Maybe you should post under your real name and we can talk about this like gentlemen.

Edited by bitonti, 19 December 2012 - 12:38 PM.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:56 PM

I remember a certain draft expert saying Omar Jacobs would be a franchise QB. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong at any given time, in the end we are all Jets fans. I'd rather say things that are not fully form and have a discussion than worry about my track record of rights versus wrongs. I could bump all the threads where i said garrett macintyre was better than aaron maybin but you don't actually care about that. You have an idea of who I am in your head and you hate that person. This isn't about accuracy it's probably about politics or some other BS thing. if you actually followed my posts you'd know that I never said I was an expert and i never pretended to be right all the time. And the big things that I was wrong about, i've publically mea culpa'ed for. but again you don't really care about right and wrong this is about something personal i'm fairly certain. Maybe you should post under your real name and we can talk about this like gentlemen.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. I made my point quite clear and what do you do? You blatantly ignore it, go out of your way to edit it out of the quote, and then respond by completely fabricating your own story that you think makes you look good. It's all you ever do when challenged about anything.

As for a guy who supposedly doesn't care about being right or wrong, you've certainly had an awful hard time keeping yourself from celebrating the fact that Sparano sucks and how that somehow convinces you that you were right that the Jets shouldn't have fired Schotty regardless of how awful he was. What makes that even more hilarious is this is coming from the same guy who admonishes people about how they aren't the right kind of fans if they don't blindly support every single person associated with the team, no matter how bad they suck at their job.

Let's be crystal clear here about my point: you're a complete hypocrite, there's nothing more to it than that.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

What's any of this have to do with the price of tea in China?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

Banning me and Rutgers doesn't make the forum better.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

the idea of right and wrong you guys can keep track if you like. i can bump threads too. but I come to this board to flush out my own thinking about the team. the thoughts are often coming from a place of devils advocate and they are rarely fully formed. If you guys want to hold on to those statements from weeks or years ago, and then bring them back to "prove me wrong" that's your business. my goal is to discuss the team. not to have some sort of cosmic scoreboard of rights and wrongs.


See, but that's where you're wrong. For it is the cosmic scoreboard which makes the Internet go 'round.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

What's your point, that the D wasn't perfect? This isn't exactly news. It doesn't change the fact that they were immeasurably better than the offense and have every reason to be pissed at them. Not to mention, all of those games you cite featured countless turnovers by the offense as well, many of them resulting in points for the opposing team. The D certainly has work to do, there's no doubt about that, but short of the Jets having an 85 Bears / 00 Ravens type defense, this team wasn't going anywhere with this offense. And given the ridiculous rate of turnovers, I'm not sure even those Ds would have been enough to do for the Jets what they did for their respective teams.


I agree with you my point is this team needs to improve on all aspects. Sorry if I did not make that clear.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

They aren't the 85 bears but they did their job. the team smoked Indianapolis easily a playoff team. and alot of those defensive breakdowns against good teams, happened because the offense went 3 and out all day. or worse turned the ball over with a short field. If the Qb leads the league in turnovers for the last 2 years, the defense is gonna be put in some tough spots.


Ha, all these years I've been reading your posts, and this is the first time I noticed the 2nd "t" in your name. CRAZY!!

Kinda like this thread...CRAZY!!

Pace was nice about it if you ask me. I am surprised some of the more vocal D players haven't said worse by now.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:32 PM

See, but that's where you're wrong. For it is the cosmic scoreboard which makes the Internet go 'round.


If 10 people are saying X, i'll show up and say Y. Just to look at the issue from the other side. I know it's annoying. But every conflict needs a hero and a heel. I look at it like a debate where a good debate participant should be able to go pro or con at the flip of a coin. Yes it's true in the great cosmic scoreboard I am probably losing. Who friggin cares. if the board was all people saying the same thing all the time, what's the sport in that?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

If 10 people are saying X, i'll show up and say Y. Just to look at the issue from the other side. I know it's annoying. But every conflict needs a hero and a heel. I look at it like a debate where a good debate participant should be able to go pro or con at the flip of a coin. Yes it's true in the great cosmic scoreboard I am probably losing. Who friggin cares. if the board was all people saying the same thing all the time, what's the sport in that?


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

If 10 people are saying X, i'll show up and say Y. Just to look at the issue from the other side. I know it's annoying. But every conflict needs a hero and a heel. I look at it like a debate where a good debate participant should be able to go pro or con at the flip of a coin. Yes it's true in the great cosmic scoreboard I am probably losing. Who friggin cares. if the board was all people saying the same thing all the time, what's the sport in that?


If that's truly the case then so be it, but if you don't want the opposition pointing up at the scoreboard, you probably shouldn't be doing a touchdown dance down 42-7.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

Bitonti has reached ECURB levels of ineptitude.
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sheesh, I'm a doosh.


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:17 PM

I want to preface my comments a bit here but the truth is going back to last year:

1. Raiders Game up 17-7 and the D went to sleep.
2. Broncos game?
3. Giants Game?
4. Miami game?

I really get the fact that the defense would have a beef with the O, but last year we were 8-5 and if the D played up to its billing we would have been in the playoffs easily.

I am not defending the O here but being objective.

This year the O is terrible I get it but there is blame on the D as well. They did not show up in the Miami game this year, in the Seahawks game, etc.. etc... This debackle was a team effort.


What Miami game? I was at that debacle this year in the Meadowlands and while the D didn't play well, they weren't bad. The Dolphins were/are a sort of lame mediocre team and they scored 30, but... 7 was on blocked punt. 7 was after Sanchez fumbled on the 30. There was also a 60 yard kick return and Sanchez INT in there. Under 150 passing and under 100 rushing. That's not exactly a horrible performance and I'd put that loss on the 1. special teams, 2. offense and then a little on the defense for being unable to bail the other two out.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:23 PM

What Miami game? I was at that debacle this year in the Meadowlands and while the D didn't play well, they weren't bad. The Dolphins were/are a sort of lame mediocre team and they scored 30, but... 7 was on blocked punt. 7 was after Sanchez fumbled on the 30. There was also a 60 yard kick return and Sanchez INT in there. Under 150 passing and under 100 rushing. That's not exactly a horrible performance and I'd put that loss on the 1. special teams, 2. offense and then a little on the defense for being unable to bail the other two out.


It is what this team has come to and what people have become numb to. Forgetting the fact that they are on the field most of the game, forgetting the moral landslide they are on watching their offense sh*t the bed all game, every week, forgetting the fact that we need to gamble on defense to try to generate points for an offense full of sh*tbirds...It is funny because of the game that was sited above just proves the point even more. not only did they not give up half the points in the game but....fvck it...
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

What Miami game? I was at that debacle this year in the Meadowlands and while the D didn't play well, they weren't bad. The Dolphins were/are a sort of lame mediocre team and they scored 30, but... 7 was on blocked punt. 7 was after Sanchez fumbled on the 30. There was also a 60 yard kick return and Sanchez INT in there. Under 150 passing and under 100 rushing. That's not exactly a horrible performance and I'd put that loss on the 1. special teams, 2. offense and then a little on the defense for being unable to bail the other two out.


I was pointing to last years game, remember the last game of the year thats the one I was referring too. And reading through your post I agree.....
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

I was pointing to last years game, remember the last game of the year thats the one I was referring too. And reading through your post I agree.....


Did Miami even break 20 last year? I think that guy had some monster field goals too. One was around 60 yards. Not a good performance to be sure, but when your QB has 3 picks, 2 to a defensive end, and you hold a team under 20 it's not something to be ashamed of either, IMO.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:39 PM

Bitonti has reached ECURB levels of ineptitude.



thats why i shut up after a while and just let it pass. dont want to confirm what everyone already thinks about me.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:44 PM

Banning me and Rutgers doesn't make the forum better.


I beg to differ....LOL!
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

If that's truly the case then so be it, but if you don't want the opposition pointing up at the scoreboard, you probably shouldn't be doing a touchdown dance down 42-7.


doing a touchdown dance about the end finally arriving is better? Yes it's true gloomers they do in fact suck terribly. Now what? I'm still watchin.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

thats why i shut up after a while and just let it pass. dont want to confirm what everyone already thinks about me.


Shut up? Never!

doing a touchdown dance about the end finally arriving is better? Yes it's true gloomers they do in fact suck terribly. Now what? I'm still watchin.


So? The gloomers are still watching too!
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:38 PM

doing a touchdown dance about the end finally arriving is better? Yes it's true gloomers they do in fact suck terribly. Now what? I'm still watchin.


You and Stoic need to open up a fast food chain and call it McMartyrs.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 07:01 AM

Calvin "the wiff" Pace should nto be complaining about anything. Hes been a huge weak link in our defense and hopefully will not be here next year. Someone should remind Pace hes been grossly over paid here and never really amounted to anything other than JAG status at elite salary rates.

That being said the offense is putrid just Like I said it would be at the beginning of the year. Ive gone APE !!
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