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#1 RyanBe_Tebowing

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:00 AM

Who do you guys like better?
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:03 AM

The guy without the broken back. I think Moore will be gone though, so take Dion Jordan from Oregon.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

Moore

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

I think I gotta go with Moore too. I think not only is he more healthy, he's younger and I think his game just translates a lot better than Jones' does.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:22 PM

I think Jones will translate fine. Moore gets the advantage because of size and health.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:44 PM

I like Moore as much as the next draft guy, but JJ has taken over games by himself, I just haven't seen Moore do that to the same extent. Christ, Jones single-handedly won that game against florida. He finished the year tearing up the SEC to the tune of 85 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 06:04 AM

I like Moore as much as the next draft guy, but JJ has taken over games by himself, I just haven't seen Moore do that to the same extent. Christ, Jones single-handedly won that game against florida. He finished the year tearing up the SEC to the tune of 85 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception.


Yet he got swallowed up against Alabama's run game and his coverage skills are questionable. He's undersized and has a spine problem. I'd rather have Moore in this situation but I'm thinking about hopping the Jordan train because of his size and ability to cover.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 07:38 AM

Yet he got swallowed up against Alabama's run game and his coverage skills are questionable. He's undersized and has a spine problem. I'd rather have Moore in this situation but I'm thinking about hopping the Jordan train because of his size and ability to cover.


You simply do not draft a player in the top ten to cover slot receivers and TEs, nor do you draft one to be stout against the run, that's how a team ends up with a Bryan Thomas or Calvin Pace and the teams' fan base pisses and moans about not having a legit pass-rusher since Abe. You draft someone in the top ten to be a game changer, someone who can get after the quarterback and make those big plays that switches the momentum. Look at Irvin and Miller coming out, they were criticized heavily for being undersized and losing battles at the LOS, but I doubt either the Seahawks or Broncos are upset over those picks.

And if his underwhelming play came out to the tune of 6 tackles, 2 TFl and 2 Sacks, then I'm not sure what more you could really ask for. The only thing that will drop this kid is his medical condition.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

Mingo
Moore
Jordan
Jones

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

You can watch Moore's Cotton Bowl performance right now on Fox Sports btw.

I have watched his entire career. I am an A&M season ticket holder. He replaced Von when he left as our Joker in the 34 D last year, and he has been masterful at DE this year in a new scheme against some really good SEC OLines. One thing to watch, he always gets his hands up ala JJ Swatt if he knows he is not getting to the QB. Dude is gonna be an All Pro just like Miller.

BUT, Jarvis Jones is the real deal too. Hate to hear about the spinal issue, although I don't think its a deal killer. I'm not sure you could go wrong with either player.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

Mingo
Moore
Jordan
Jones


Mingo should be last on that list.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:29 PM

Marcus McNeil and Jarvis Jones have the same condition. Where is McNeil now?

Case closed.
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Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:55 PM

Marcus McNeil and Jarvis Jones have the same condition. Where is McNeil now?

Case closed.


It is a condition that affects people in different ways. It is a concern, but not a "case closed" situation. McNeil no longer plays because he is lazy, but Michael Irvin cut his career short due to spinal stenosis. Cooper Manning, the older brother of the two current NFL QBs, and son of a former NFL QB, had to hang up the cleats because of the same condition. Many have said he was the best Manning of the bunch. OTOH, rumor has it the Gronk that matters deals with the very same condition.

Crap shoot
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:15 AM

Jarvis Jones is this year's Bruce Irvin.

Both are electric playmakers with lightening fast first steps....However, I see both as being only 3rd down specialists in the NFL.
Our 3rd down defense is pretty legit. We don't need a gadget player on defense to play only on blitzing downs. We need a 3-down player who can set the edge, rush the passer, and cover the flats.

Trade back, and get Sam Montgomery in the late teens/early 20's...the fall off isn't that much compared to a Mingo, or Damontre, or Jordan...esp. if we can recoup a mid round pick in the process.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:57 AM

Jarvis Jones is Aaron Maybin with Marcus McNeil's back. It will be a mistake if we take him. So Rex will.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:35 AM

Mingo should be last on that list.


...in your opinion.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:31 AM

...in your opinion.


Totally...which is what message boards are all aboot!
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:23 AM

The misconceptions of Jarvis Jones on this board are astounding, to say the least. He's probably the most versatile and well rounded prospect in this draft. He's the best OLB against the run in this draft which can be backed by his extremely high tackle numbers and tackles for loss. He's probably the best athlete in this draft.

I understand that he's got a condition and for that reason alone I'd probably take Moore over him, but Jones is an absolute monster athlete much more so than Moore.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

The misconceptions of Jarvis Jones on this board are astounding, to say the least. He's probably the most versatile and well rounded prospect in this draft. He's the best OLB against the run in this draft which can be backed by his extremely high tackle numbers and tackles for loss. He's probably the best athlete in this draft.

I understand that he's got a condition and for that reason alone I'd probably take Moore over him, but Jones is an absolute monster athlete much more so than Moore.


Totally agree with most of this, but I think Moore will surprise you at the combine. He is extremely athletic. He might be a step behind the likes of Jones and Jordan, but he's close. He should prove to be much stronger than the other guys too, so it will be interesting to see which one of these guys is the most diverse in their physical abilities.

And BTW, please refrain from calling others "monster" as that is reserved for DEMONSTER MOORE!
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

FWIW, ESPN has Moore's 40 time at 4.65, while Jones is listed at 4.84, which should dispel some of the notion that Jones is the better "athlete."

http://insider.espn..../damontre-moore

http://insider.espn....47/jarvis-jones


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:58 AM

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Jarvis Jones, OLB

Overall Position Projected Rnd
3 1 1
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4.74 - - -
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01/04/2013 - Georgia junior outside linebacker Jarvis Jones has decided to forego his senior season and enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to CBSSports.com's Jeremy Fowler. Jones is currently rated as NFLDraftScout.com's No. 1 outside linebacker and No. 3 overall prospect, projected as a top-10 pick in recent mock drafts.
A First Team All-SEC performer, Jones broke Georgia's single-season sack record (14.5) in the bowl game, finishing the 2012 season with 85 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception. A Georgia-native and USC-transfer, he leaves Athens with 28.0 career sacks, leading the conference in this category the past two seasons.

Although not limited to a 3-4 defense, Jones' best fit at the next level will be on a defense that allows him to stand up and rush the passer, needing room to operate. He is explosive athlete with the quickness and range to make plays all over the field and attack from different angles at the line of scrimmage. He will draw comparisons by many to Denver Broncos pass rusher Von Miller, but Jones doesn't have the same body type or power to consistently shed once engaged.

Additionally, his medical history will be a hot topic over the next few months due to a condition known as spinal stenosis, which could affect him down the road in his career. Based on his ability, Jones projects as a first round pick, but the injury concerns could push him down several draft boards. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

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Overview

Great American novelist Thomas Wolfe popularized the expression "You Can't Go Home Again" with his classic of the same name published posthumously in 1940. Jarvis Jones, a Columbus, Georgia native who originally signed with the University of Southern California, would certainly beg to differ.

Jones earned playing time immediately with the Trojans, seeing time primarily on special teams and as a backup strong-side linebacker in their 4-3 alignment. Jones suffered a sprained neck in the eighth game of the season (Oregon), however, and missed the rest of the year. Team doctors refused to clear him for participation the following spring and after seeking other opinions, Jones elected to transfer back to Georgia.

He sat out the 2010 campaign per NCAA guidlines on transfers before absolutely exploding onto the SEC scene last season. Primarily asked to rush the passer as an outside linebacker in Georgia's 3-4 alignment, Jones led the SEC in sacks (13.5) and tackles for loss (19.5) while posting 70 tackles overall (second on the team by two stops), earning consensus first-team all-conference honors, quite a few All-American nods and was voted a finalist for the Butkus Award as the nation's best linebacker.

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Far from just a pass rusher, Jones proved capable of playing the run as well as dropping back into coverage, demonstrating the combination of instincts, passion and physicality to catch the attention of scouts despite the fact that 2011 was his first season as a starter.

Despite the fact that he likely would have earned a high grade from scouts, Jones elected to not even request a grade from the NFL Advisory Committee. Now that he has returned to Georgia for his redshirt junior season, Jones has the burden of proving that his spectacular first campaign with the Bulldogs wasn't a fluke. Based on the agility, power and hustle with which he played a season ago, that shouldn't be a problem.

--Rob Rang


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737651


Damontre Moore, DE

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01/04/2013 - Scouting the Texas A&M run defense: Texas A&M tweaked its defensive line this offseason, moving Spencer Nealy from end to tackle. He's been able to occupy offensive linemen, helping the Aggies to have a solid season defending the run. Damonte Moore is the dominant force among the front seven, averaging more than a sack a game and able to get into the backfield to disrupt running plays as well. - The Sports Xchange
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A high school all-America pick by Max Emfinger coming out of Rowlett High School in DeSoto, Texas, Moore stayed close to home by choosing the Aggies over offers from Oklahoma State and Baylor.

He was a freshman All-Big 12 honoree while racking up 40 tackles, 5.5 sacks, an interception and a team-high three forced fumbles while serving as All-American Von Miller's backup at the "joker" position in 2010. All three of the forced fumbles came in a dominating performance against Louisiana Tech that included a pair of sacks.

Moore stepped into a starting - and starring - role in 2011 with Miller off to the NFL. He was fourth on the Aggies with 72 tackles while starting 10 of 12 games at the joker position. He had 12-tackle games against Kansas State and Texas, and was second on the team with 8.5 sacks to go along with a team-high four forced fumbles.

Moore moved from the joker spot to defensive end in the Aggies' switch to a 4-3 scheme and put together a first-team All-American season from several media outlets in 2012, and was a second-team AP All-American. He was also first-team All-SEC as the Aggies' leader in tackles (80), sacks (12.5), tackles for loss (20.0), quarterback hurries (8) and blocked kicks (2).

"Today is a sad moment and a happy moment," Moore said in announcing he would forego his senior season. "It's always been a dream of mine to play in the NFL, but I've loved my time representing the 12th Man and with my teammates at Texas A&M. Wherever I go, I will always be an Aggie at heart."

Moore was the third Aggie lineman since 1970 to lead the team in tackles, and the first since Sam Adams in 1993.

"I couldn't be happier for Damontre as he pursues his professional dreams in the NFL," Aggies head coach Kevin Sumlin said. "He's been a great representative of Texas A&M University, as a student and a football player, and I know he will continue to be an ambassador for the University in everything he's does in the future.

With the NFL shifting more towards the pass than ever, the need for versatile defenders capable of rushing the quarterback and dropping back into coverage is only increasing. Adding players who can play both roles -- as well as create turnovers -- is at a premium. In the Aggies' Moore, scouts see a prospect just scratching the surface of his potential.

Analysis

STRENGTHS: Possesses a lean, lanky build with plenty of room for additional muscle mass. Flashes a quick first step off the snap. Has long, strong arms and uses his hands well to defeat blocks.

Generates impressive speed off the edge, including a late burst to close. Good flexibility to dip under the tackle's reach and has the long arms to keep his opponent from grabbing a hold of him.

Lines up in a variety of spots and is capable of beating defenders with his quickness, as well as bull rush and a complimentary spin move that he'll use to slip inside or outside. Improving strength as a run defender. Generally does a nice job of sealing off the edge to keep his containment responsibilities.

Locates the ball well and pursues with passion. Closes on the ballcarrier quickly and shows good strength for the drag-down tackle. Rips away at the ball when he can, showing the ability to force fumbles (8 over three seasons). Developing use of hands to get into passing windows and when rushing kickers, blocking two kicks in 2012.

Showed surprising awareness, lateral agility and straight-line speed when asked to drop back into coverage.

WEAKNESSES: Inconsistent get-off at the snap and does not appear to have elite explosiveness, overall. Remains a work in progress in terms of getting his hands up as a pass defender, posting only two pass breakups in 2012.

Has a tendency to allow his pad level to get too high when in run support and can be knocked back off the ball because of it. Makes a disproportionate number of his tackles five yards downfield due to his hustle and isn't the consistently dominant defender his statistics might indicate.

COMPARES TO: John Abraham, DE, Atlanta Falcons -- Like the Falcons' perennial Pro Bowler, Moore has the potential to rank among the league's top pass rushers whether as a classic 4-3 defensive end or as a stand-up pass rusher out of the 3-4.

--Rob Rang


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:01 AM

FWIW, ESPN has Moore's 40 time at 4.65, while Jones is listed at 4.84, which should dispel some of the notion that Jones is the better "athlete."

http://insider.espn..../damontre-moore

http://insider.espn....47/jarvis-jones


That said, CBS says Jones is faster...see above...regardless, I wouldn't kick either one out of bed.

Edited by Ryno the Jet, 11 January 2013 - 11:01 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

FWIW, ESPN has Moore's 40 time at 4.65, while Jones is listed at 4.84, which should dispel some of the notion that Jones is the better "athlete."


Great. Now all we have to do is figure out how to dispel the notion that made-up numbers mean anything.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

before we get too deep into the discussion, it's possible that at least Moore is off the board by 9. If he's that awesome and everything...

every year the Jets fans love a certain guy and every year that guy ends up going way higher than where the Jets pick.

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