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[RyanBe_Tebowing]

Who do you guys like better?

[CrazyCarl40]

The guy without the broken back. I think Moore will be gone though, so take Dion Jordan from Oregon.

[SenorGato]

Moore

Edited by SenorGato, 08 January 2013 - 08:03 AM.

[RyanBe_Tebowing]

I think I gotta go with Moore too. I think not only is he more healthy, he's younger and I think his game just translates a lot better than Jones' does.

[SenorGato]

I think Jones will translate fine. Moore gets the advantage because of size and health.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I like Moore as much as the next draft guy, but JJ has taken over games by himself, I just haven't seen Moore do that to the same extent. Christ, Jones single-handedly won that game against florida. He finished the year tearing up the SEC to the tune of 85 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception.

[CrazyCarl40]

I like Moore as much as the next draft guy, but JJ has taken over games by himself, I just haven't seen Moore do that to the same extent. Christ, Jones single-handedly won that game against florida. He finished the year tearing up the SEC to the tune of 85 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, seven forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and one interception.

Yet he got swallowed up against Alabama's run game and his coverage skills are questionable. He's undersized and has a spine problem. I'd rather have Moore in this situation but I'm thinking about hopping the Jordan train because of his size and ability to cover.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Yet he got swallowed up against Alabama's run game and his coverage skills are questionable. He's undersized and has a spine problem. I'd rather have Moore in this situation but I'm thinking about hopping the Jordan train because of his size and ability to cover.

You simply do not draft a player in the top ten to cover slot receivers and TEs, nor do you draft one to be stout against the run, that's how a team ends up with a Bryan Thomas or Calvin Pace and the teams' fan base pisses and moans about not having a legit pass-rusher since Abe. You draft someone in the top ten to be a game changer, someone who can get after the quarterback and make those big plays that switches the momentum. Look at Irvin and Miller coming out, they were criticized heavily for being undersized and losing battles at the LOS, but I doubt either the Seahawks or Broncos are upset over those picks.

And if his underwhelming play came out to the tune of 6 tackles, 2 TFl and 2 Sacks, then I'm not sure what more you could really ask for. The only thing that will drop this kid is his medical condition.

[HessStation]

Mingo
Moore
Jordan
Jones

Edited by HessStation, 10 January 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[Ryno the Jet]

You can watch Moore's Cotton Bowl performance right now on Fox Sports btw.

I have watched his entire career. I am an A&M season ticket holder. He replaced Von when he left as our Joker in the 34 D last year, and he has been masterful at DE this year in a new scheme against some really good SEC OLines. One thing to watch, he always gets his hands up ala JJ Swatt if he knows he is not getting to the QB. Dude is gonna be an All Pro just like Miller.

BUT, Jarvis Jones is the real deal too. Hate to hear about the spinal issue, although I don't think its a deal killer. I'm not sure you could go wrong with either player.

[Ryno the Jet]

Mingo
Moore
Jordan
Jones

Mingo should be last on that list.

[CrazyCarl40]

Marcus McNeil and Jarvis Jones have the same condition. Where is McNeil now?

Case closed.

[Ryno the Jet]

Marcus McNeil and Jarvis Jones have the same condition. Where is McNeil now?

Case closed.

It is a condition that affects people in different ways. It is a concern, but not a "case closed" situation. McNeil no longer plays because he is lazy, but Michael Irvin cut his career short due to spinal stenosis. Cooper Manning, the older brother of the two current NFL QBs, and son of a former NFL QB, had to hang up the cleats because of the same condition. Many have said he was the best Manning of the bunch. OTOH, rumor has it the Gronk that matters deals with the very same condition.

Crap shoot

[Greenseed4]

Jarvis Jones is this year's Bruce Irvin.

Both are electric playmakers with lightening fast first steps....However, I see both as being only 3rd down specialists in the NFL.
Our 3rd down defense is pretty legit. We don't need a gadget player on defense to play only on blitzing downs. We need a 3-down player who can set the edge, rush the passer, and cover the flats.

Trade back, and get Sam Montgomery in the late teens/early 20's...the fall off isn't that much compared to a Mingo, or Damontre, or Jordan...esp. if we can recoup a mid round pick in the process.

[CrazyCarl40]

Jarvis Jones is Aaron Maybin with Marcus McNeil's back. It will be a mistake if we take him. So Rex will.

[HessStation]

Mingo should be last on that list.

...in your opinion.

[Ryno the Jet]

...in your opinion.

Totally...which is what message boards are all aboot!

[JiF]

The misconceptions of Jarvis Jones on this board are astounding, to say the least. He's probably the most versatile and well rounded prospect in this draft. He's the best OLB against the run in this draft which can be backed by his extremely high tackle numbers and tackles for loss. He's probably the best athlete in this draft.

I understand that he's got a condition and for that reason alone I'd probably take Moore over him, but Jones is an absolute monster athlete much more so than Moore.

[Ryno the Jet]

The misconceptions of Jarvis Jones on this board are astounding, to say the least. He's probably the most versatile and well rounded prospect in this draft. He's the best OLB against the run in this draft which can be backed by his extremely high tackle numbers and tackles for loss. He's probably the best athlete in this draft.

I understand that he's got a condition and for that reason alone I'd probably take Moore over him, but Jones is an absolute monster athlete much more so than Moore.

Totally agree with most of this, but I think Moore will surprise you at the combine. He is extremely athletic. He might be a step behind the likes of Jones and Jordan, but he's close. He should prove to be much stronger than the other guys too, so it will be interesting to see which one of these guys is the most diverse in their physical abilities.

And BTW, please refrain from calling others "monster" as that is reserved for DEMONSTER MOORE!

[Ryno the Jet]

FWIW, ESPN has Moore's 40 time at 4.65, while Jones is listed at 4.84, which should dispel some of the notion that Jones is the better "athlete."

http://insider.espn..../damontre-moore

http://insider.espn....47/jarvis-jones