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Yahoo: Bucs offer 1st, 3rd, 6th for Revis; to pay him $15m-$16m


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#51 BroadwayJoe12

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:18 AM

I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

 

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division. 

 

That's because two things that are different, tend to be treated as such.  Most people agree that he is overpriced, selfish and doesn't play a position warranted of the contract he is rumored to want (which is different than you putting words in their mouth saying it's not an important position).

 

None of those facts take away from him being a phenomenal player, one who you don't want in your division.  I'm not sure how you're confusing the two.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:18 AM

I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division.


These are not mutually exclusive propositions.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

The 3rd round compensatory pick we'd get would have otherwise been the #1 pick in round 4.  It's only a "3rd round" pick in name because they're adding him to the end of the 3rd round.  But absent a 3rd round compensatory pick being awarded in a given year, that overall pick would have been pick 1 in round 4.

 

Also that compensatory pick isn't until 2015.  In terms of trade value (theoretical, since you can't trade a comp pick) the #1 pick in round 4 is worth the #1 pick in round 6 today.  And, as others have mentioned, we only get it if we sit on our hands and don't sign a premiere player in 2014 - at a more valuable position than CB - when we'll have plenty more cap space.

 

A 6th round pick next year is worth (in trade) a 5th round pick in 2015.  It is not a throwaway.  We got Slauson, 3-year starter on our OL, with a 6th round pick.  The (penciled in) starter at safety, Bush, was drafted with a 6th rounder.  Joel Dreesen, who we let go of after 1 year, was drafted with a 6th.  And these are just some Jets draft picks out of a small sample (since we didn't draft a player in round 6 in two of the past three drafts). It's not nearly as valuable as the 3rd or the 1st, of course, but it is not a throwaway.  

Not a throwaway, no.  Poor choice of words.  But of minimal value should the Bucs have a season on the plus side of the ledger, making that pick a late 6th.  For as many 6th rounders that remain in the league, there are far more who never see a regular season snap.  It's just the statistical reality.  AS far as the third being a late third, or a really late third, does it make that big a difference in the grand scheme? I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger, Just that I don't mind Idzik's poker face.  For years Tanny capitulated in trades like the Tebow debacle.  Nice to have a real dog in the fight, that''s all.   


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:33 AM

I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

 

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division. 

No player is over paid.  Any player is worth what a team is willing to pay him.  If a team is foolish, and is willing to pay Revis 16 million, or what ever, to them he is worth that. 

 

He’s just not worth it to the Jets right now.

 

In 2013, even with Revis’ depressed salary, The Jets CB’s will count more against the cap, at over 20 million, then any team in the NFL.  In 2014, with Revis no longer on the team, the CB’s cap hit, will still be highest in the NFL, at over 24 million.

 

They seemingly don’t want to add any more to that unbalance.  Which should  bring up another drama next season when Cro counts over 15 million against the cap

 

Revis is a good player, no team wants one of their good players to go to a division rival.  Simple


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:41 AM

Revis is a good player, no team wants one of their good players to go to a division rival.  Simple

 

 

the way you guys talk about him, it's like he's a poison pill for the Jets. Why can't he be a poison pill for the Dolphins? 


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

Not a throwaway, no.  Poor choice of words.  But of minimal value should the Bucs have a season on the plus side of the ledger, making that pick a late 6th.  For as many 6th rounders that remain in the league, there are far more who never see a regular season snap.  It's just the statistical reality.  AS far as the third being a late third, or a really late third, does it make that big a difference in the grand scheme? I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger, Just that I don't mind Idzik's poker face.  For years Tanny capitulated in trades like the Tebow debacle.  Nice to have a real dog in the fight, that''s all.   

 

Agreed.  But if the Jets (read: Woody) is hell-bent on not engaging in contract talks with Revis, feeling his top offer would be maybe $10M that Revis would turn down, then I'd take a 1+3+6 this year or next year.  This year would be better I suppose only because you know what you're getting.  At some point I don't want him to overplay his hand.  Revis is a big trade chip, but so far it seems there is only one team that thinks so.  If that one team loses interest, and if we don't want to offer what Revis will accept, then this is better than the privilege of having him for 1 more season where we are not going to be serious superbowl contenders.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:45 AM

the way you guys talk about him, it's like he's a poison pill for the Jets. Why can't he be a poison pill for the Dolphins? 

The way the Dolphins are spending money this year, if they were to sign Revis next year, and don’t win a Super Bowl, he will be a poison pill.  At least for their GM.

 

Which will make Fish fans rejoice 


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:45 AM

the way you guys talk about him, it's like he's a poison pill for the Jets. Why can't he be a poison pill for the Dolphins? 


I'm ok with it.  Go try to pry a 1st round pick or more from the Dolphins, though.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:46 AM

Agreed.  But if the Jets (read: Woody) is hell-bent on not engaging in contract talks with Revis, feeling his top offer would be maybe $10M that Revis would turn down, then I'd take a 1+3+6 this year or next year.  This year would be better I suppose only because you know what you're getting.  At some point I don't want him to overplay his hand.  Revis is a big trade chip, but so far it seems there is only one team that thinks so.  If that one team loses interest, and if we don't want to offer what Revis will accept, then this is better than the privilege of having him for 1 more season where we are not going to be serious superbowl contenders.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:50 AM

Im a NY Jet fan and I highly doubt this statement.

 

I didn't say it was fair, but it is a reality.  If Idzik gets anything less than multiple high round picks, or lets Revis walk with nothing but a 3rd rounder to show for it, he'll be destroyed.  Every decision he makes going forward will be compared to how he handled the Revis situation.

 

Do you think a "regular" Jet fan remembers any of Tannys good moves?


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:59 AM

I didn't say it was fair, but it is a reality.  If Idzik gets anything less than multiple high round picks, or lets Revis walk with nothing but a 3rd rounder to show for it, he'll be destroyed.  Every decision he makes going forward will be compared to how he handled the Revis situation.

 

Do you think a "regular" Jet fan remembers any of Tannys good moves?

Again, based on the words you used I highly doubt your statement. There's much more that this man is doing that is beneficial outside of this Revis potential trade that as a fan I recognize. 


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:13 PM

Again, based on the words you used I highly doubt your statement. There's much more that this man is doing that is beneficial outside of this Revis potential trade that as a fan I recognize. 

 

Well of course dorks like you and I who spend way too much time dissecting every Jets move will know.  I'm talking about the other 95% of Jet fans who can't name the RB, G, or DT that Idzik signed.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

Well of course dorks like you and I who spend way too much time dissecting every Jets move will know.  I'm talking about the other 95% of Jet fans who can't name the RB, G, or DT that Idzik signed.

 

it's true. if Idzik accepts less than a 2013 1st, the tabloids will skewer him. And rightfully so. It's friggin revis. 


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:28 PM

Also, to preempt the inevitable: Jason Cole is not a sensationalist tool. He doesn't "make things up." He's one of the more credible reporters out there. Save your "eeeeeeeevil meeeeeeedia" warbling for Manish and Cimini.

 

 

jason did not provide a source or even a direct quote

 

this is probably coming from revis' agents

 

so yeah


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

Revis has so much bad-karmic baggage, no team should want him. Trust. I brought his football card to my friend the witch doctor next door and he told me, "Revis will never win anything. His lust and greed will thus prevent him from ever reaching any other goal in life." (in voodoo accent) He is marked dudes. His aura is really in the dumps. Bad karma is for real. Get rid of the scumbag. 


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

Well of course dorks like you and I who spend way too much time dissecting every Jets move will know.  I'm talking about the other 95% of Jet fans who can't name the RB, G, or DT that Idzik signed.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

Dudes... everything you are reading about the REvis situation right now, and for the past weeks, has been driven by Revis' agents. Stop reacting as if there's any credibility to it.

 

Agents want him OUT of NY and landing wherever he gets paid, so they get their take. Which means, I'm sure, they have many reporters / writers on the take too. All in an effort to keep the situation as high-pressure as they can. 

 

Idzik can't blink. That's all.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

Revis has so much bad-karmic baggage, no team should want him. Trust. I brought his football card to my friend the witch doctor next door and he told me, "Revis will never win anything. His lust and greed will thus prevent him from ever reaching any other goal in life." (in voodoo accent) He is marked dudes. His aura is really in the dumps. Bad karma is for real. Get rid of the scumbag. 

Shoot.  A witch doctor?  Man.  Maybe we should all rethink this thing.  I'm agraid of witches and doctors.  Now witches are becoming doctors.  Where will the madness end?  If they get spiders involved then Revis will have to go.  That's where I draws the line.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

Bucs willing to give a 2013 first-rounder for Revis, Jets want a lot more

Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2013, 4:15 PM EDT


It widely has been believed that the lingering impasse between the Jets and the Buccaneers over cornerback Darrelle Revis arises from the question of whether the Bucs will give up a first-round pick in 2013 to get Revis.

There’s a problem with that widespread belief.  It’s not correct.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell PFT that the Buccaneers are willing to send the 13th overall pick in the 2013 draft to the Jets for Revis.  The Jets, however, want “a lot more” than this year’s first-round pick, we’re told.

It’s unclear what else the Jets want.  Last month, the Vikings got a first-round pick in 2013, a seventh-round pick in 2013, and a third-round pick in 2014 for receiver Percy Harvin.  It’s possible the Jets want that, or something close to it.

We’ll have more regarding the Revis situation, including full analysis of the odd stare down between Revis and the Jets over his involvement in offseason workouts on Monday’s Pro Football Talk, which gets rolling at 5:00 p.m. ET on NBC Sports Network.

That would be a tease.  It was suggested by Ross Tucker.  Who will be on the show.  And who will be happy to see his name in print.  Or whatever it’s called when your name shows up on a website.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:37 PM

If the 2013 first is a lock, then the trade should happen quickly. No way would Tampa take it this far only to let a 3rd and 6th rounder blow it up. Silly.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:44 PM

it's true. if Idzik accepts less than a 2013 1st, the tabloids will skewer him. And rightfully so. It's friggin revis. 

 

 

Well of course dorks like you and I who spend way too much time dissecting every Jets move will know.  I'm talking about the other 95% of Jet fans who can't name the RB, G, or DT that Idzik signed.

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:05 PM

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#Jets demanding Bucs' first-round pick for Revis, but Bucs GM indecisive, per Tampa Bay Times. Bucs' loose deadline is 1 wk before draft.

 

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RT @ProFootballTalk: Bucs are willing to give up a 2013 first-round pick for Revis, but the Jets want a lot more


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:31 PM

I brought his football card to my friend the witch doctor next door and he told me, "Revis will never win anything. His lust and greed will thus prevent him from ever reaching any other goal in life."  

 

Then he said, "Ooh eee, ooh-ah-ah, ting, tang, walla-walla bing-bang."


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:59 PM

Tampa Bay beater Rick Straud says the Bucs are the hold up, haven't offered their 2013 1 as per PFT report. 

 

http://www.tampabay....th-pick/2113880


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

Cimini

 

#Jets demanding Bucs' first-round pick for Revis, but Bucs GM indecisive, per Tampa Bay Times. Bucs' loose deadline is 1 wk before draft.

 

Mehta

 

RT @ProFootballTalk: Bucs are willing to give up a 2013 first-round pick for Revis, but the Jets want a lot more

 

 

Tampa Bay beater Rick Straud says the Bucs are the hold up, haven't offered their 2013 1 as per PFT report. 

 

http://www.tampabay....th-pick/2113880

 

Now we know who Mehta's sources are.

 

Seriously if i was allowed to drown one JETS beat writer it would be Mehta. A couple of seasons ago it would have been Cimini!


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