Todd Bowles: Jets will have QB competition but job Smith's 'to lose'

[SouthernJet]

I'm sure Bowles also saw that the team still looked pretty damn good when Drew Stanton was the starting QB

The Jets want a guy who knows playbook until Petty is ready..geno has been out of their future plans since day they were hired. reason they hired Vet who knew system and drafted a highly thought of QB who was projected anywhere from late 2nd to 4th round..

 

Geno not in future plans unless God bestows a miracle on his Football IQ

[flgreen]

Or they could just talk about things and stuff. You know, sing the same tune so that the message is consistent.

Instead, it gives the impression that the right hand doesn't speak to the left hand.

All is well in Jets land!

Meh

 

Like I said, best policy is don't let the coordinators speak to the media unless they have to.

[flgreen]

The Jets want a guy who knows playbook until Petty is ready..geno has been out of their future plans since day they were hired. reason they hired Vet who knew system and drafted a highly thought of QB who was projected anywhere from late 2nd to 4th round..

 

Geno not in future plans unless God bestows a miracle on his Football IQ

 

Got to disagree SJ.  I really believe they want  Smith to be "the guy".  It really is the best thing for the team if he develops into a good QB..

 

I do think it will end up as your final sentence says

[JetBlue]

Bingo

 

Nothing has changed.   It is certainly in the Jets best interest for Smith to come out and take charge of the team from day one.  That is what they are hoping for, and expect.  They want to give him the majority of the reps during OTA's to give him every opportunity to keep the job, and lead the Jets.   If he sucks again, Fitz will take over in camp.  But that's not plan A.  

 

No , this in not a circus.  This is the best way to go about it.  if the competition is close Smith will keep the job.  No pitch by pitch count of each throw the media gets to see in OTA's  RIGHT NOW Smith is the #1 guy.  It may not be that way in August.

 

This whole drama is why most HC's don't let  co-coordinators speak to the press often.  If Bowles is smart he will learn his lesson and not let Gailey speak to the press again until he has to.

Great post.  The media is already starting their bullsh*t....

[slats]

The Jets want a guy who knows playbook until Petty is ready..geno has been out of their future plans since day they were hired. reason they hired Vet who knew system and drafted a highly thought of QB who was projected anywhere from late 2nd to 4th round..

 

Geno not in future plans unless God bestows a miracle on his Football IQ

This is really your wishful thinking, with no basis in reality.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/05/20/no-competition-chan-gailey-says-geno-smith-is-jets-starter/27659507/

Still, the Jets are opting to head into minicamp and training camp without a quarterback competition on tap.

"No, it wasn't a thought," Gailey said.

That's because he liked what he had seen on film of Smith from last season, adding that the team decided in March that the 2013 second-round pick was the best option for the Jets to move forward with as the starter.

"He can make every throw in the book," Gailey said. "He can make them all. You don't find many that can do that, so you try to find a guy who can do that and give him every opportunity to be successful."

Gailey said the Jets told Fitzpatrick, who had a six-touchdown game for Houston before his season-ending injury, that this would be the quarterback scenario when he was brought in.

"We didn't try to pull the wool over anybody's eyes," Gailey said. "That's exactly what we told him."

They certainly didn't decide in March that Geno would be the best option at starting QB because he wasn't in their future plans. They didn't tell Fitzpatrick coming in that he'd be backing up Geno Smith in training camp if their intention was to start him immediately.

It's Geno's job to lose -and he may very well lose it- but he'll be the starter in the first couple preseason games, and will have to be dramatically outplayed by Fitzpatrick to not be the starter to open the regular season.

[SouthernJet]

Got to disagree SJ.  I really believe they want  Smith to be "the guy".  It really is the best thing for the team if he develops into a good QB..

 

I do think it will end up as your final sentence says

we will see, but he is worst qb i have seen in many years,,cant read progressions to save his life. has ZERO chance of future success without ability to read progressions..I think bowles comments were reflection of that fact

he only starts if Fitz's leg isnt healed or arm not back to strength yet after rehab..

[SouthernJet]

This is really your wishful thinking, with no basis in reality.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/05/20/no-competition-chan-gailey-says-geno-smith-is-jets-starter/27659507/

Still, the Jets are opting to head into minicamp and training camp without a quarterback competition on tap.

"No, it wasn't a thought," Gailey said.

That's because he liked what he had seen on film of Smith from last season, adding that the team decided in March that the 2013 second-round pick was the best option for the Jets to move forward with as the starter.

"He can make every throw in the book," Gailey said. "He can make them all. You don't find many that can do that, so you try to find a guy who can do that and give him every opportunity to be successful."

Gailey said the Jets told Fitzpatrick, who had a six-touchdown game for Houston before his season-ending injury, that this would be the quarterback scenario when he was brought in.

"We didn't try to pull the wool over anybody's eyes," Gailey said. "That's exactly what we told him."

They certainly didn't decide in March that Geno would be the best option at starting QB because he wasn't in their future plans. They didn't tell Fitzpatrick coming in that he'd be backing up Geno Smith in training camp if their intention was to start him immediately.

It's Geno's job to lose -and he may very well lose it- but he'll be the starter in the first couple preseason games, and will have to be dramatically outplayed by Fitzpatrick to not be the starter to open the regular season.

geno will lose the job on his own in preseason or vs starters in camp which we wont see,,which is why jets brought in Fitz who knows playbook and drafted a well thought of QB pretty high. 

Hey I could be wrong

[slats]

geno will lose the job on his own in preseason or vs starters in camp which we wont see,,which is why jets brought in Fitz who knows playbook and drafted a well thought of QB pretty high. 

Hey I could be wrong

Geno may very well lose the job, but they're going to give him every chance to be successful. Remember, the Fitzpatrick connection here is Chan Gailey, and Chan Gailey was gushing about Geno, saying that there was no competition, and that he would "probably" be the starter to open the season. He also says they told this to Fitzpatrick when signing him.

Fitzpatrick is Plan B.

[JustInFudge]

Meh

 

Like I said, best policy is don't let the coordinators speak to the media unless they have to.

 

policy smolicy.  The media is going to get access to coordinators, even its limited, its going to happen from time to time.  Just talk to each other and sing the same tune outside the walls.  Pretty simple really. 

[flgreen]

we will see, but he is worst qb i have seen in many years,,cant read progressions to save his life. has ZERO chance of future success without ability to read progressions..I think bowles comments were reflection of that fact

he only starts if Fitz's leg isnt healed or arm not back to strength yet after rehab..

I agree, IMO Smith won't pull it off, and Fitz will be the opening day starter.   They want to take a good look at him before they finalize the fact that he sucks.  If Fitz starts the season, barring injury, (which is a strong possibility)   The Geno Smith era has ended.   The focus will be to develop Petty to see if they have to take a QB in the first round next year, or if Petty can handle it.  

[SouthernJet]

Geno may very well lose the job, but they're going to give him every chance to be successful. Remember, the Fitzpatrick connection here is Chan Gailey, and Chan Gailey was gushing about Geno, saying that there was no competition, and that he would "probably" be the starter to open the season. He also says they told this to Fitzpatrick when signing him.

Fitzpatrick is Plan B

and we now know gaileys comments were LOLed at by Bowles

 

doesnt take rocket scientist to see geno does not have adequate QB IQ (progression reads, pocket awareness etc). I dont see him improving in either area with a new playbook

[slats]

and we now know gaileys comments were LOLed at by Bowles

 

doesnt take rocket scientist to see geno does not have adequate QB IQ (progression reads, pocket awareness etc). I dont see him improving in either area with a new playbook

What, when he said this?

"I view it as an open competition, with Geno being the starter," said Bowles, commenting for the first time since Gailey made headlines. "It's his to lose. It's Ryan's to take. It's Bryce's to take. It's Matt's to take."

Hardly laughing anything off. Just reiterating that it's Geno's job to lose. He had an opportunity to refute Gailey's statement that they had essentially settled on Geno as the starter back in March, but didn't touch it.

Whether he holds onto the job or not is much different from your contention that they brought in Fitz to be the starter. Nothing anyone from the Jets has said supports that theory - but a lot of what they've said directly contradicts it.

[56mehl56]

I'm sure Bowles also saw that the team still looked pretty damn good when Drew Stanton was the starting QB

Yeah and when Palmer and Stanton both got injured , that 9-1 record quickly went south.

[56mehl56]

and we now know gaileys comments were LOLed at by Bowles

 

doesnt take rocket scientist to see geno does not have adequate QB IQ (progression reads, pocket awareness etc). I dont see him improving in either area with a new playbook

 

 

How do you evaluate his progression reads , do you you purchase the All 22 coaches film or do you just happen to use that phrase because you hear other's throw it around. Its pretty hard to break down on a pure TV broadcast and almost impossible live at games because there's too much going on. 

[JetBlue]

What, when he said this?

"I view it as an open competition, with Geno being the starter," said Bowles, commenting for the first time since Gailey made headlines. "It's his to lose. It's Ryan's to take. It's Bryce's to take. It's Matt's to take."

Hardly laughing anything off. Just reiterating that it's Geno's job to lose. He had an opportunity to refute Gailey's statement that they had essentially settled on Geno as the starter back in March, but didn't touch it.

Whether he holds onto the job or not is much different from your contention that they brought in Fitz to be the starter. Nothing anyone from the Jets has said supports that theory - but a lot of what they've said directly contradicts it.

 

People are going to read into a statement what ever fits their agenda.  It is truly fascinating to watch really. 

[SouthernJet]

What, when he said this?

"I view it as an open competition, with Geno being the starter," said Bowles, commenting for the first time since Gailey made headlines. "It's his to lose. It's Ryan's to take. It's Bryce's to take. It's Matt's to take."

Hardly laughing anything off. Just reiterating that it's Geno's job to lose. He had an opportunity to refute Gailey's statement that they had essentially settled on Geno as the starter back in March, but didn't touch it.

Whether he holds onto the job or not is much different from your contention that they brought in Fitz to be the starter. Nothing anyone from the Jets has said supports that theory - but a lot of what they've said directly contradicts it.

agree Geno job to lose,,the politically correct thing to say before camp/preseason.. IMHO Jets have already decided he is not future..

 

coach speak,, all signs IMHO point to Fitz if healthy in 2015, petty in 2016 or 2017

 

we can just agree to disagree... the new playbook doomed any chance Geno 'might' have had in my opinion.

[SouthernJet]

How do you evaluate his progression reads , do you you purchase the All 22 coaches film or do you just happen to use that phrase because you hear other's throw it around. Its pretty hard to break down on a pure TV broadcast and almost impossible live at games because there's too much going on. 

wow, really? you cant see it in games. we are on a different wavelength then.. Pretty damn clear to me and most guys at Jets bar that we cant pick up 2nd WR after primary covered and either throws into coverage or panics and scrambles (backwards, LOL) too soon as opposed to stepping up into pockets,,

 

and most on board will tell you I've harped on progression issues w/geno for a LONG time.. 

 

agree to disagree...

[56mehl56]

wow, really? you cant see it in games. we are on a different wavelength then.. Pretty damn clear to me and most guys at Jets bar that we cant pick up 2nd WR after primary covered and either throws into coverage or panics and scrambles (backwards, LOL) too soon as opposed to stepping up into pockets,,

 

and most on board will tell you I've harped on progression issues w/geno for a LONG time.. 

 

agree to disagree...

TV broadcasts focus on where the ball goes , usually you'll see wr's running open after the fact when D's have shifted coverage - which you don't readily see on TV.  I agree with the panic and scrambling backwards , he absolutely needs to step up in the pocket much more. 

 

I guess the going through progressions is a real sticking point for me. Without knowing the playcall , the routes and the blocking schemes its awful hard to gauge who's the primary, secondary and dumpoff recievers. I shudder when I hear fans throw that phrase around. 

[SouthernJet]

TV broadcasts focus on where the ball goes , usually you'll see wr's running open after the fact when D's have shifted coverage - which you don't readily see on TV.  I agree with the panic and scrambling backwards , he absolutely needs to step up in the pocket much more. 

 

I guess the going through progressions is a real sticking point for me. Without knowing the playcall , the routes and the blocking schemes its awful hard to gauge who's the primary, secondary and dumpoff recievers. I shudder when I hear fans throw that phrase around. 

again , huh? the camera is on QB until he throws ball... Progressions are when Primary covered a QB base don D is automatically cocking arm before head even turning to where he is supposed to know where to go. If covered he pumps, and stops, looks for tercialy if time allows. geno arm stationary slowly moves head like a bobble doll.. Trust me, he cant read progressions NFL caliber wise after primary. I've watched NFL for over 50 years now, andit obvious when a QB doesnt understand ASAP where backups are. I am sure he 'knows', but he is too slow. Plus he is horrid at the 1 1/2 step up in pocket like QBs are supposed to do. geno turns around and runs backwards for a 12 yard sack, LOL.. As Jets fan I WISH he would click an dbe great. Just dont see it due to deficiencies he has that u dont learn, but hone in NFL, but u have to  bring skillset into NFL from college. he never brought Progression skills into NFL.

 

lets just agreee to disagree.. have a great day and season. Go Jets!!

[Jet Nut]

again , huh? the camera is on QB until he throws ball... Progressions are when Primary covered a QB base don D is automatically cocking arm before head even turning to where he is supposed to know where to go. If covered he pumps, and stops, looks for tercialy if time allows. geno arm stationary slowly moves head like a bobble doll.. Trust me, he cant read progressions NFL caliber wise after primary. I've watched NFL for over 50 years now, andit obvious when a QB doesnt understand ASAP where backups are. I am sure he 'knows', but he is too slow. Plus he is horrid at the 1 1/2 step up in pocket like QBs are supposed to do. geno turns around and runs backwards for a 12 yard sack, LOL.. As Jets fan I WISH he would click an dbe great. Just dont see it due to deficiencies he has that u dont learn, but hone in NFL, but u have to bring skillset into NFL from college. he never brought Progression skills into NFL.

lets just agreee to disagree.. have a great day and season. Go Jets!!

You can't possibly know who the primary and secondary receivers are looking at your TV. You can't even see all the WRs, TEs and RBs in their routes. Unless you have telepathic powers or know the plays

All you can tell is that s QB is looking at options if someone is covered. Doesn't mean he's going through the proper progression

[Savage69]

You can't possibly know who the primary and secondary receivers are looking at your TV. You can't even see all the WRs, TEs and RBs in their routes. Unless you have telepathic powers or know the plays

SJ does have a pornographic memory..

[Sperm Edwards]

Oh, please.  It's perfectly obvious what happened.

 

What Gailey said a week ago was the plan. It was the plan of both Gailey and Bowles. They spoke about it together and agreed upon it. Gailey was not speaking of something Bowles disagreed with.

 

Then they got ripped a new one in the papers after Gailey let the Genos out of the bag.  Bowles (understandably) backtracked from a decision that was merely rationalized by some, but believed in by virtually none, after seeing how the media rolls up here. Ultimately, he let the heat off himself.

 

Now it may very well be that Bowles felt (and maybe still feels) just as Gailey said, but didn't want that leaked before it was known Geno wasn't falling on his face already. That would also be understandable. But there's little to no chance that Gailey's sentiments were in any way in opposition to those of the HC. Gailey didn't just make it up on his own on the spot.

[SouthernJet]

You can't possibly know who the primary and secondary receivers are looking at your TV. You can't even see all the WRs, TEs and RBs in their routes. Unless you have telepathic powers or know the plays

All you can tell is that s QB is looking at options if someone is covered. Doesn't mean he's going through the proper progression

who said I knew who they were, but playbook base don D reads has 3 receivers usually in progression with a safety valve usually as RB or TE..

 

LOL

[SouthernJet]

SJ does have a pornographic memory..

LOL

[Jet Nut]

who said I knew who they were, but playbook base don D reads has 3 receivers usually in progression with a safety valve usually as RB or TE..

 

LOL

The progression is a definite order, not just going to a different receiver. So we don't know the actual progression. That's all I'm saying, thought you said you knew from watching the receivers

[SouthernJet]

The progression is a definite order, not just going to a different receiver. So we don't know the actual progression. That's all I'm saying, thought you said you knew from watching the receivers

no, sorry, from watching Geno and his head/arm movement after Primary covered and how fast (or slow, not steady, DNA ingrained) both happened. My bad, semantics.

[flgreen]

Oh, please.  It's perfectly obvious what happened.

 

What Gailey said a week ago was the plan. It was the plan of both Gailey and Bowles. They spoke about it together and agreed upon it. Gailey was not speaking of something Bowles disagreed with.

 

Then they got ripped a new one in the papers after Gailey let the Genos out of the bag.  Bowles (understandably) backtracked from a decision that was merely rationalized by some but believed in by virtually none, seeing how the media rolls up here. Ultimately, he let the heat off himself.

 

Now it may very well be that Bowles felt (and maybe still feels) just as Gailey said, but didn't want that leaked before it was known Geno wasn't falling on his face already. That would also be understandable. But there's little to no chance that Gailey's sentiments were in any way in opposition to those of the HC. Gailey didn't just make it up on his own on the spot.

 

Or perhaps Bowles watched Smith practice yesterday

[Sperm Edwards]

Or perhaps Bowles watched Smith practice yesterday

 

lol perhaps.

 

He's succumbing to public pressure either way. Bowles may have continued to say nothing (assent by silence) as he had for the prior week, if not for such an immediate crappola showing by Smith.

 

But to your point, if Smith had a great day and Fitzpatrick a terrible one, what are the odds that Bowles says anything to correct/clarify his OC's statements? Probably zero.

[flgreen]

lol perhaps.

 

He's succumbing to public pressure either way. Bowles may have continued to say nothing (assent by silence) as he had for the prior week, if not for such an immediate crappola showing by Smith.

 

But to your point, if Smith had a great day and Fitzpatrick a terrible one, what are the odds that Bowles says anything to correct/clarify his OC's statements? Probably zero.

I agree but succumbing is kind of a   strong word.  I don't think he is making actual football decisions due to the mild media  pressure he got from Gailey's comment.. ( Lord I hope not )  He is just reacting, and circumventing, the inevitable Mehta question after a bad practice like yesterday's .  "So coach, is Smith still your starting QB on opening day?"  With Cimini jumping up and down, waving his hand "ugh ugh call on me, call on me, I know the answer to that one."

 

Think Bowles handled it well.  Think he's telling the truth.  It's in the Jets' best interest to have Smith play well, and make a case for himself in preseason.  If it's close, Smith gets the nod because of age, and "potential".  If Smith puts together a string of practices like yesterday, I think the trap door opens quickly on him.

 

I also agree that if during the open practice yesterday Smith played lights out, and the scribes were saying "Fitz looked really rusty, and tentative."  Bowles lets the Gailey story ride.  This is NYC.  A coach has to react to the media, or go into a Mangini type one word answer fortress.  

 

Think Bowles handled it all well 

[JohnnyLV]

agree Geno job to lose,,the politically correct thing to say before camp/preseason.. IMHO Jets have already decided he is not future..

 

coach speak,, all signs IMHO point to Fitz if healthy in 2015, petty in 2016 or 2017

 

we can just agree to disagree... the new playbook doomed any chance Geno 'might' have had in my opinion.

 

sarcasm post?

 

Literally NOTHING points to Fitz starting especially the fact Gailey is designing the offense AROUND him. 

[Patriot Killa]

You can seriously tell by the way Rich writes he wants to start controversy.

[Sperm Edwards]

I agree but succumbing is kind of a   strong word.  I don't think he is making actual football decisions due to the mild media  pressure he got from Gailey's comment.. ( Lord I hope not )  He is just reacting, and circumventing, the inevitable Mehta question after a bad practice like yesterday's .  "So coach, is Smith still your starting QB on opening day?"  With Cimini jumping up and down, waving his hand "ugh ugh call on me, call on me, I know the answer to that one."

 

Think Bowles handled it well.  Think he's telling the truth.  It's in the Jets' best interest to have Smith play well, and make a case for himself in preseason.  If it's close, Smith gets the nod because of age, and "potential".  If Smith puts together a string of practices like yesterday, I think the trap door opens quickly on him.

 

I also agree that if during the open practice yesterday Smith played lights out, and the scribes were saying "Fitz looked really rusty, and tentative."  Bowles lets the Gailey story ride.  This is NYC.  A coach has to react to the media, or go into a Mangini type one word answer fortress.  

 

Think Bowles handled it all well 

 

Succumbing seems correct. Gailey's position was Bowles's position. Publicly, Bowles changed his position, it seems, after seeing how well it went over. If one disagrees this is what happened, the alternative isn't much better (that the HC and OC aren't on the same page).

 

I think ultimately Bowles handled it fine (publicly). He's a first time HC and, while Gailey should have known better, they both see now how well that goes over here. A QB with 2 years of mostly-failure, whatever reasons one wants to attribute them to, is still a QB with 2 years of mostly-failure. Especially since Geno wasn't a particularly popular player with the fans/media to begin with, nor did the team have any notable success despite his poor play. 

 

You don't announce to the world that, with a viable alternative right there on the roster, that the job is Geno's on opening day and basically only an injury will change that.

 

Actually I'm surprised Gailey's announcement got such backing from any fans. Many of the same ones who were excited for a new regime that was going to have true competition everywhere had blindly accepted this as smart and rationalized a decision that blindsided everyone. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Lost in all this, which Gailey basically said without saying directly, is that Fitzpatrick can't make all the throws.

 

The good news about locking in to and (initially) handing the job to Geno, if one really wants to find one, is that they're looking to put together an offense that can run up the score, rather than one that plays not to lose with another season of hide the QB gameplans. To do so they want a QB without physical limitations. That they feel physically he gives the best chance of doing that (this season). 

 

I guess that's good, but at the same time they have to know what they have, not what they want to think they have, at the position. Gailey surely knows better that an ability to make all the throws doesn't make one a starting QB. 

 

I'd be thrilled to find out Smith just needed a couple of years to get his lumps in, plus better coaching and better players around him, (while others don't make a bad QB good, they can certainly only help). Even a better defense will (should) make him better, as it takes a lot of pressure off and the defense doesn't have the luxury of sitting back and keying on the pass because we need points in a hurry. But a bad QB is a bad QB either way. A better surrounding cast merely hides it better, and in short spurts even a bad QB can have high success (e.g. McCown in Chicago).

 

We'll see. Granted, it's only one OTA practice we've heard about, and intense coaching between Gailey and Geno hasn't really begun yet, but the initial performance was so bad the HC had to immediately and publicly walk back their prior decision to just hand Geno the opening day starting job. 

[jack48]

agree Geno job to lose,,the politically correct thing to say before camp/preseason.. IMHO Jets have already decided he is not future..

 

coach speak,, all signs IMHO point to Fitz if healthy in 2015, petty in 2016 or 2017

 

we can just agree to disagree... the new playbook doomed any chance Geno 'might' have had in my opinion.

The press scrutiny, parsing every word every one says, is patently ridiculous.  This is not a political campaign.  It is a football team.  The people running it are not politicians, they are coaches.  It is always a question of reporters trying to insert themselves into the story. They are not content with being minor players in the drama.

[jack48]

Lost in all this, which Gailey basically said without saying directly, is that Fitzpatrick can't make all the throws.

 

The good news about locking in to and (initially) handing the job to Geno, if one really wants to find one, is that they're looking to put together an offense that can run up the score, rather than one that plays not to lose with another season of hide the QB gameplans. To do so they want a QB without physical limitations. That they feel physically he gives the best chance of doing that (this season). 

 

I guess that's good, but at the same time they have to know what they have, not what they want to think they have, at the position. Gailey surely knows better that an ability to make all the throws doesn't make one a starting QB. 

 

I'd be thrilled to find out Smith just needed a couple of years to get his lumps in, plus better coaching and better players around him, (while others don't make a bad QB good, they can certainly only help). Even a better defense will (should) make him better, as it takes a lot of pressure off and the defense doesn't have the luxury of sitting back and keying on the pass because we need points in a hurry. But a bad QB is a bad QB either way. A better surrounding cast merely hides it better, and in short spurts even a bad QB can have high success (e.g. McCown in Chicago).

 

We'll see. Granted, it's only one OTA practice we've heard about, and intense coaching between Gailey and Geno hasn't really begun yet, but the initial performance was so bad the HC had to immediately and publicly walk back their prior decision to just hand Geno the opening day starting job. 

I am fine with it.  To my mind, Fitz is a guy they do not have to worry about.  He has the system down already.  And you are right, he can not make all the throws.  He was never a great thrower of the ball.  But he has the qualities you want in a backup.  Experience and knowledge.  I wish he protected it better.  So they will give Geno another shot, because Geno can move and he can fire it.  It is worth a try.  In fact, it makes infinitely more sense than starting out with a circle-the-wagons approach.  Hell, even the old Baltimore Colts let Tom Matte throw it some.  You have to take some risks.