gangreenman Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 I know its natural for everyone to want the Jets to go after the best, top tier free agents, especially considering that has been our strategy the past 4 or 5 off-seasons. Meanwhile, during the season, people can't stop complaining about lack of depth as a result of both trading up in the draft and spending cap on top free agents, going quality over quantity. Especially with a low cap number this off-season, it is clear the Jets have decided to address quantity over quality, which I think is a good idea, considering there already is a lot of quality on the team. Its also another way of showing the leaders and core players on this team (namely: Brick, Mangold, Sanchez, Holmes, Revis, Harris, etc) to grow and mold together as a unit... a unit that doesn't need the help of a big name free agent. Finally, addressing depth in free agency will give us more flexibility in the draft (not only to pick BAP, but to move around a little if we need to), where we really have a chance to add to our core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrellegivesmeaboner#24 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Until we sign Nelson and/or Landry, I cannot give them anything other than an incomplete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 This year is slow, I knew it would be. Next year Id like to see the FA class though. Pace and Scott contracts expire so I think we'll have big year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Extension for Sanchez. How is that good in any universe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 there are a TON of FA's still out there. many guys come out with ridiculous demands, and when the money starts to dry up, they come down to earth. you don't have to make splashy expensive moves to have a good FA period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Extension for Sanchez. How is that good in any universe ? you get VOIDABLE years in return and cap relief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 This year is slow, I knew it would be. Next year Id like to see the FA class though. Pace and Scott contracts expire so I think we'll have big year. My hope is that we'll be drafting at least one LB in the first 3 rds of this years draft. Would like if they took another sleeper/project type later on and groom him for the year so he can at least compete with who we bring in next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 you get VOIDABLE years in return and cap relief There were other ways to do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 There were other ways to do that! Only thing that matters is guaranteed money. Far as I know, they only upped the guaranteed money by 2.5M, next to nothing cap-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Only thing that matters is guaranteed money. Far as I know, they only upped the guaranteed money by 2.5M, next to nothing cap-wise. Yeah 2.5 mill. Not a big deal. Great rewards for a horrible season. Wonder what would the JETS do if he throws for 5000 yards and 35 TDS with a great QB rating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Yeah 2.5 mill. Not a big deal. Great rewards for a horrible season. Wonder what would the JETS do if he throws for 5000 yards and 35 TDS with a great QB rating! Nothing we'd have a great young Q.B locked up already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Nothing we'd have a great young Q.B locked up already Not a bad deal. I am looking forward to him taking advantage of the clause in his new contract that gives him $10 mil for winning four super bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Only thing that matters is guaranteed money. Far as I know, they only upped the guaranteed money by 2.5M, next to nothing cap-wise. 100% untrue. Guaranteed money went from $0 to $20.5M. If he regresses even further from 2011 then the dead-cap cost to part ways with him for the 2013 season goes from $2.5M to $17.15M. The dead-cap cost to part with him after the 2014 season went from $0 to $4.8M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 100% untrue. Guaranteed money went from $0 to $20.5M. If he regresses even further from 2011 then the dead-cap cost to part ways with him for the 2013 season goes from $2.5M to $17.15M. The dead-cap cost to part with him after the 2014 season went from $0 to $4.8M. Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're saying they had no money guaranteed to him in 2012 and 2013???? None at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you're saying they had no money guaranteed to him in 2012 and 2013???? None at all? That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 100% untrue. Guaranteed money went from $0 to $20.5M. If he regresses even further from 2011 then the dead-cap cost to part ways with him for the 2013 season goes from $2.5M to $17.15M. The dead-cap cost to part with him after the 2014 season went from $0 to $4.8M. Have to think he's not getting cut, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Have to think he's not getting cut, then Genius, this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 you get VOIDABLE years in return and cap relief And you remove any chance at getting competition at QB and you lock him in for 2 yrs. Should have voided 2012 and signed 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 And you remove any chance at getting competition at QB and you lock him in for 2 yrs. Should have voided 2012 and signed 18 Or after failing to get Peyton, just go into the season with Sanchez's deal remaining the same, and find cap space elsewhere. Or could we really not have signed the great Chaz Schillens' without Sanchez graciously accepting more money and years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Or after failing to get Peyton, just go into the season with Sanchez's deal remaining the same, and find cap space elsewhere. Or could we really not have signed the great Chaz Schillens' without Sanchez graciously accepting more money and years? This was the best move to make. You still get to give Sanchez another chance without handing him 2 years as the starter. If he fails then you're not locked in for a $13M cap hit in 2013. If you want to give him another year he was already locked up for an $11M hit or could have been cut for an $8M savings. The way it's done now, unless Sanchez has twice as many turnovers as touchdowns in 2012 he is automatically the starting QB entering each of the next 2 seasons. To justify this he needs to be awesome or almost-awesome these next two seasons (and not just incrementally better on paper during the first few weeks give or take). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 That is correct. That's technically true but since there was no way Sanchez wasn't making the roster this year, his 2012 salary would have become fully guaranteed on opening day. You're spinning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yeah 2.5 mill. Not a big deal. Great rewards for a horrible season. Wonder what would the JETS do if he throws for 5000 yards and 35 TDS with a great QB rating! No matter what the Jets do, it'll atleast shut the haters up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 That's technically true but since there was no way Sanchez wasn't making the roster this year, his 2012 salary would have become fully guaranteed on opening day. You're spinning. Nonsense. It is only true because they made it true by making zero effort to bring in anyone else who could possibly start a football game. If Sanchez was in a true competition and lost - badly - they still may have kept him on but a regressing #2 QB scheduled to eat up back-to-back 8-figure cap space would be tough to justify. Further, zero would have been guaranteed in 2013. Instead he's locked into a $13M cap figure for 2013 no matter how horrible he plays (and another $5M in 2014 even if he isn't here anymore). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 This was the best move to make. You still get to give Sanchez another chance without handing him 2 years as the starter. If he fails then you're not locked in for a $13M cap hit in 2013. i have been very hard on Mark Sanchez this offseason. but still letting him play out the deal was the worst move to make. Sanchez was the key to make the cap room, needed to make even these little moves like Reggie Nelson. Without the restructure, he plays for $10+ mil salary and 3 mil roster bonus making him hit the cap for around 13 million. taking up more than 10% of the cap. to say he went from 0 to 20 isn't really true, cause he was going to be here for 13. Cutting him and signing Peyton Manning wasn't really ever an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 i have been very hard on Mark Sanchez this offseason. but still letting him play out the deal was the worst move to make. Sanchez was the key to make the cap room, needed to make even these little moves like Reggie Nelson. Without the restructure, he plays for $10+ mil salary and 3 mil roster bonus making him hit the cap for around 13 million. taking up more than 10% of the cap. to say he went from 0 to 20 isn't really true, cause he was going to be here for 13. Cutting him and signing Peyton Manning wasn't really ever an option. He's going to eat up 10% of the cap next year. What's the difference? Even still, you never lock yourself into a sub-par QB for the next 2 seasons to clear a little bit of cap space. You cut someone else from the team like everyone else does. There were other people to renegotiate or clear cap room with. This is the price we pay for paying people like David Harris like a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 He's going to eat up 10% of the cap next year. What's the difference? assume they can lose certain players like Pace, Scott etc that they couldn't lose this year. There were other people to renegotiate with. This is the price we pay for paying people like David Harris like a franchise QB. not really. they reneg with Brick and Sanchez. that was their only real way to cap relief. Who else is there? the cap was so tight they probably can't resign Pouha if Sanchez isn't renegotiated. I do agree that the cap is screwed up in the sense that the team is not getting enough production from their mid to low level players. All the cap is tied up with 12 or so key players. It's not really David Harris' fault that he's so awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 assume they can lose certain players like Pace, Scott etc that they couldn't lose this year. not really. they reneg with Brick and Sanchez. that was their only real way to cap relief. Who else is there? the cap was so tight they probably can't resign Pouha if Sanchez isn't renegotiated. I do agree that the cap is screwed up in the sense that the team is not getting enough production from their mid to low level players. All the cap is tied up with 12 or so key players. It's not really David Harris' fault that he's so awesome. David Harris is absolutely not awesome just like Peyton Manning does not suck. Harris is a solid ILB. He's a smart player and is a sure enough tackler but he is as slow as a cripple and couldn't cover a jar of pickles. A team can cut ties with a lesser player the same as they could have forgone signing everyone they signed. They can trade Cromartie (and recoup a pick in the process). They can extend Harris for another year or two and convert several million dollars of his salary into signing bonus. They could have not guaranteed Wayne Hunter. Locking the team into two more seasons of Sanchez as though he was some type of sure thing was far from the team's only option this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Or after failing to get Peyton, just go into the season with Sanchez's deal remaining the same, and find cap space elsewhere. Or could we really not have signed the great Chaz Schillens' without Sanchez graciously accepting more money and years? What ? How could Sanchez play with a bruised ego ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 David Harris is absolutely not awesome just like Peyton Manning does not suck. Harris is a solid ILB. He's a smart player and is a sure enough tackler but he is as slow as a cripple and couldn't cover a jar of pickles. A team can cut ties with a lesser player the same as they could have forgone signing everyone they signed. They can trade Cromartie (and recoup a pick in the process). They can extend Harris for another year or two and convert several million dollars of his salary into signing bonus. They could have not guaranteed Wayne Hunter. Locking the team into two more seasons of Sanchez as though he was some type of sure thing was far from the team's only option this offseason. Besides the fact that it gets said all the time... What makes Tannenbaum a cap genius again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Jets in free agency is like taking a bad dump, u know the kind, the one who have to wipe 4ever and never ending crap continues to land on the TP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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