Kleckineau Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 I think you make a great point, a good QB will generally take you further then a good OC working with a mediocre/poor QB, but then what about instances like Dilfer winning a SB or more recently Alex Smith bringing his team within one game of a SB? Couldn't you make an argument that it can work both ways? You are right. Nothing is absoute .You do point out some good exceptions but in response I would say look at the defense those teams played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Wasn't sure if it was true or not. Still it is amazing how that didnt matter when he had a good coach and team around him. agree but I think sometimes Jets fans put too much faith into coaching because that 1998 staff was unreal. Parcells at the head, Belly at DC, mangini, dan henning, weiss, crennell, bill muir, maurice carthon, al groh, todd haley, in the front office both Tannenbaum and Scott Pioli. I believe Westoff was there too. yes if you have a coaching staff like that you can turn chicken s--t into chicken salad. that team was all smoke and mirrors, the coaches put guys into positions to succeed. But that almost never happens. replacing Schotty with Sparano will not recreate 1998. That staff was epic, maybe best of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Actually 2004 was the 4th year Brees played and he only threw for 3100 yards. His third year QB rating was 67.5. Brees really wasn't considered elite until he played for NO and got away from the Schotty's. Thats when he topped 4000 yards and 30 TDs in a season. There were QB's who had good years under coordinators then turned to crap. Andy Reid has had a few, and so has Mike Homgren. There are others too. Martz was more a product of Vermeil than he was Warner. Otherwise Warner would have had success with Gilbride too. check 3r year as a starter not 3rd year as a charger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 You are right. Nothing is absoute .You do point out some good exceptions but in response I would say look at the defense those teams played. True, there are many factors that help make a SB run possible, and sometimes a little luck. I still think it's possible with Sanchez as QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It happens and it happens a lot. Name some examples please. I can only think of the Niners with Alex Smith, who still showed his true colors in the NFC Title game when they went 1 for 13 on 3rd downs. Really good coaches can maybe hide a players' weaknesses and make a bad player servicable, but they never take a bad player and make him good, especially at the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It's entirely possible for more than one person to suck at their jobs at the same time. No it isn't. Not gramatically, anyway. As to your point, yes, of course it's possible for the quarterback to be bad and the offensive coordinator to be bad also. Yet you never hear about what a bad job a good quarterback's offensive coordinator is doing. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Name some examples please. I can only think of the Niners with Alex Smith, who still showed his true colors in the NFC Title game when they went 1 for 13 on 3rd downs. Really good coaches can maybe hide a players' weaknesses and make a bad player servicable, but they never take a bad player and make him good, especially at the QB position. Yeah, it really doesnt happen and Alex Smith is not an example IMO. You know how the 49er's got Smith to "improve"? To throw the ball less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Now you want to quote my response to another posters proposition as if it was meant as a response to your post?? WTF kinda nonsense sh!t is that?? So your position is that people are only allowed to respond to posts which were initially responses to them? You do realize that makes absolutely no sense, don't you? After all, that would mean no poster would ever actually be allowed to respond to anyone else. Congratulations on successfully embarrassing yourself even more than you already had, I didn't think that was truly possible. Not to mention, who you were responding to has absolutely no bearing on the fact that nobody; be it me, the person you were responding to, or anyone else in this thread, ever said what you were claiming to be arguing against. I am done with your Shott is the devil and Sanchez is a good OC away from an MVP trophy drivel. Good day sir. This goes right back to my prior point, nobody has ever said the OC is more important than the QB and never in million years did I say anything close to this stupid bullsh*t that you just completely made up, and have shown what a complete liar you are. You know what it says about someone when they have to blatantly lie about what someone else said? It says that they're wrong, they know it and are embarrassed by how completely foolish they look. Try having a clue what you're talking about for a change, and addressing the things others actually say and not what you completely fabricated that nobody ever said, instead of wasting everyone's time with this lying garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 No it isn't. Not gramatically, anyway. As to your point, yes, of course it's possible for the quarterback to be bad and the offensive coordinator to be bad also. Yet you never hear about what a bad job a good quarterback's offensive coordinator is doing. Ever. Kevin Gilbride would like a word with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Kevin Gilbride would like a word with you Cody Carlson would like a word with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Cody Carlson would like a word with you. Commander Cody? Warren Moons backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Cody Carlson would like a word with you. Would Warren Moon like a word with someone or am I doing this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 No it isn't. Not gramatically, anyway. It's such amazing contributions like this that made you truly missed around here. As to your point, yes, of course it's possible for the quarterback to be bad and the offensive coordinator to be bad also. Yet you never hear about what a bad job a good quarterback's offensive coordinator is doing. Ever. An offense with a good QB is only going to struggle so much in today's NFL. That doesn't mean someone else couldn't do a better job coaching that same offense. Besides, I think the Giants and Chargers are two simple examples to prove you wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 An offense with a good QB is only going to struggle so much in today's NFL. That doesn't mean someone else couldn't do a better job coaching that same offense. Besides, I think the Giants and Chargers are two simple examples to prove you wrong. Giants. Great example. http://giantskickoff.com/2011/11/15/kevin-gilbrides-conservative-predictable-play-calling-hurts-new-york-giants/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/09/16/report-ahmad-bradshaw-unhappy-with-giants-pass-happy-play-calling/ So yes, it is possible for a good quarterback's coordinator to simultaneously get heat for running too much and passing too much because fans and players are morons. I am not sure that this proves anything. I don't know who San Diego's coordinator is but de facto it's Norv, so this is a pretty dumb example also considering that his twenty-year old offense is the foundation for what literally every team runs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 So yes, it is possible for a good quarterback's coordinator to simultaneously get heat for running too much and passing too much because fans and players are morons. I am not sure that this proves anything. I don't know who San Diego's coordinator is but de facto it's Norv, so this is a pretty dumb example also considering that his twenty-year old offense is the foundation for what literally every team runs now. It never happens, ever. You can't give an example. Here's an example. WELL THEY'RE MORONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Does Sparano still have Chad Pennington's phone number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It's safe to say Sanchez and Schottenheimer both suck at their jobs. But while I expect the offense to be better under Sparano, he's not going to SAVE us. Only Sanchez can do that, and given his history, its a long shot. The offense is going to suck regardless, so hopefully it'll at least be moderately entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Is Shillens really going to play this weekend? how do you think he will do? Hill is our #2 receiver, right? where does that put Chaz, #4? because our slot is back to health for sunday correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Does Sparano still have Chad Pennington's phone number? No, he flashes this signal in the sky, and Chad comes running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It never happens, ever. You can't give an example. Here's an example. WELL THEY'RE MORONS. Nice try, Kujan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 It never happens, ever. You can't give an example. Here's an example. WELL THEY'RE MORONS. Thank you for saving me from having to write a far less amusing (and in all likelihood, much longer) version of this response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 pop quiz name an OC jets fans liked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 This goes right back to my prior point, nobody has ever said the OC is more important than the QB and never in million years did I say anything close to this stupid bullsh*t that you just completely made up, and have shown what a complete liar you are. You know what it says about someone when they have to blatantly lie about what someone else said? It says that they're wrong, they know it and are embarrassed by how completely foolish they look. Try having a clue what you're talking about for a change, and addressing the things others actually say and not what you completely fabricated that nobody ever said, instead of wasting everyone's time with this lying garbage. So......just to be clear, to answer the O/P's inquiry, your answer to the question is, [ ] Sparano is a savior [ ] Sparano is a scapegoat Please place an X in your selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 So......just to be clear, to answer the O/P's inquiry, your answer to the question is, [ ] Sparano is a savior [ ] Sparano is a scapegoat Please place an X in your selection. [X] Sparano hasn't coached a single regular season game for the Jets to date, so who the hell knows what he's going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 pop quiz name an OC jets fans liked Joe Walton. That guy was the sh*t as an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Nice try, Kujan. Old McDonald had a farm ee i ee i o. And on that farm he shot some guys. Badda boom badda bing bang boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbone Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 If he is a savior, we can expect a few miracles this year on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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