eboozer Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 My prejudices only go so far... All the News that's fit to print. This should make the Pro Idzik crowd very happy. I'm not so sure.... but here it is anyway. http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/threads/264226-From-MS-Gold-on-Jet-Addicts Savage69 Savage69 is offline Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join Date:May 1999Location:Naples FLPosts:42,115 From MS Gold on Jet Addicts. Tid Bits from Tony Pauline Draft insider.... Just got off the phone with him, here is what he told me he heard from his sources (Im trying to take it all from memory). Tony talks to these guys agents as well as team personel so take it for what its worth... 1. Vontae Davis- jets did not get played. Davis never wanted to leave Indy. The Jets made a play for him but wud have likely had to go 11 or 12 mil to pry him away from Indy. 2. Verner- Jets were never interested in him. Never made a move for him...didnt think he was the right fit. 3. Asoamoah- Jets had no interest in him, never made an offer. 4. Schwartz- They were interested in Scwartz but lost out while trig to lock down Davis. 5. Howard- Negotiated with Howard since the combine but Idzik held firm to a number and HIwards agent wanted more if Howard was to forego FA. They were a couple of hundred grand apart in the end. 6. Beadles- They were in it for Beadles until it hit 6+ per and then they dropped out. 7. James JOnes- Still in play 8. DRC- No idea what happened 9. Giancomini- Likes him, especially what we paid, but liked Howard more as a player. 10. Decker- Loves the move, loves the player loves the contract 11. Cro- Still a possibility to come back. Some draft stuff. Does not think the Jets will go WR at 18 if they sign Jones. Thinks they will go WR in rd 2. 1. Dee Ford- Hates him. One move player who won't be able to get away with it in the pros. 2. Lee- Likes him a lot 3. Cooks- Loves him for Jets but not at 18 4. Amaro- Thinks that could be our guy at 18 5. Ebron- JOhnny MItchell 2.0. Said the guy is an egomaniac, "me player" and could be a lockeroom issue. 6. Mack- Geat talent but the idea that Mayock has him as the #1 player on the board is laughable. Jets Stuff 1. Team is still holding out hope that Hill can be the "burner" across from Decker 2. Idzik- He is a very "my way or the highway" type of guy. If he has a number in his head...thats it, he's not going higher. If he has an idea in his head, thats how its going to be. 3. Geno- VERY high on him still. Said "the guy had basically no TC and won 8 games...how can you not think he will improve? Juts needs to protect the ball better" We spoke for about an hour and there was more but my memory in my old age isn't what is used to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How does this make the pro-Idzik crowd happy? Shows that he had a very limited plan, the plan didn't work out and now he's just lost. That's good news for the pro-Idzik crowd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Good stuff, ebooze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eboozer Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 My prejudices only go so far... All the News that's fit to print. This should make the Pro Idzik crowd very happy. I'm not so sure.... but here it is anyway. http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/threads/264226-From-MS-Gold-on-Jet-Addicts Savage69 Savage69 is offline Jets Insider VIP Charter JI Member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join Date:May 1999Location:Naples FLPosts:42,115 From MS Gold on Jet Addicts. Tid Bits from Tony Pauline Draft insider.... Just got off the phone with him, here is what he told me he heard from his sources (Im trying to take it all from memory). Tony talks to these guys agents as well as team personel so take it for what its worth... 1. Vontae Davis- jets did not get played. Davis never wanted to leave Indy. The Jets made a play for him but wud have likely had to go 11 or 12 mil to pry him away from Indy. 2. Verner- Jets were never interested in him. Never made a move for him...didnt think he was the right fit. 3. Asoamoah- Jets had no interest in him, never made an offer. 4. Schwartz- They were interested in Scwartz but lost out while trig to lock down Davis. 5. Howard- Negotiated with Howard since the combine but Idzik held firm to a number and HIwards agent wanted more if Howard was to forego FA. They were a couple of hundred grand apart in the end. 6. Beadles- They were in it for Beadles until it hit 6+ per and then they dropped out. 7. James JOnes- Still in play 8. DRC- No idea what happened 9. Giancomini- Likes him, especially what we paid, but liked Howard more as a player. 10. Decker- Loves the move, loves the player loves the contract 11. Cro- Still a possibility to come back. Some draft stuff. Does not think the Jets will go WR at 18 if they sign Jones. Thinks they will go WR in rd 2. 1. Dee Ford- Hates him. One move player who won't be able to get away with it in the pros. 2. Lee- Likes him a lot 3. Cooks- Loves him for Jets but not at 18 4. Amaro- Thinks that could be our guy at 18 5. Ebron- JOhnny MItchell 2.0. Said the guy is an egomaniac, "me player" and could be a lockeroom issue. 6. Mack- Geat talent but the idea that Mayock has him as the #1 player on the board is laughable. Jets Stuff 1. Team is still holding out hope that Hill can be the "burner" across from Decker 2. Idzik- He is a very "my way or the highway" type of guy. If he has a number in his head...thats it, he's not going higher. If he has an idea in his head, thats how its going to be. 3. Geno- VERY high on him still. Said "the guy had basically no TC and won 8 games...how can you not think he will improve? Juts needs to protect the ball better" We spoke for about an hour and there was more but my memory in my old age isn't what is used to be... stoicsentry stoicsentry Franchise Player Writers \ Bloggers 7,794 posts Posted Today, 10:39 PM How does this make the pro-Idzik crowd happy? Shows that he had a very limited plan, the plan didn't work out and now he's just lost. That's good news for the pro-Idzik crowd? See the highlighted sentences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How does this make the pro-Idzik crowd happy? Shows that he had a very limited plan, the plan didn't work out and now he's just lost. That's good news for the pro-Idzik crowd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thanks for posting. Tony Pauline might be the biggest joke of a talent evaluator/insider ever. The guy makes Cannizaro look like a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Nothing earth shattering there. The only real surprising bit is that they did seem to get played if they lost out on Schwartz dicking around with Vontae Davis. Seems like they should have been able to get their # out there at least. Not too surprised about Verner or Asomoah, but it does make you feel a bit better about Verner if they weren't interested because they obviously want a corner and that contract wasn't bad. Isn't Savage around here too? Decent guy, but I don't like eyeballs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Cool, good stuff. Hate that we missed out on Schwartz cause we were dealing with the flaky Davis. What does TC mean? Talent? Don't want Amaro, but if we do take him, hope we can trade back and get him. No need to take him at 18. Want Lee, but this is the year to wait on a WR. Can't remember such talent at any position this deep coming out in a season. D. Adams and J. Mathews would be top wrs in almost any other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Cool, good stuff. Hate that we missed out on Schwartz cause we were dealing with the flaky Davis. What does TC mean? Talent? Don't want Amaro, but if we do take him, hope we can trade back and get him. No need to take him at 18. Want Lee, but this is the year to wait on a WR. Can't remember such talent at any position this deep coming out in a season. D. Adams and J. Mathews would be top wrs in almost any other classes. I really hope we trade back at 18. Im a bit torn as well. I wouldnt mind Marquise Lee, but I do want to have multiple picks in the 2nd or 3rd round. Jace seems good. I like that he is a huge target that is just a bitch to bring down, I just dont believe taking a TE at 18 is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 What does TC mean? Talent? Training Camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Training Camp. I think he was making a funny about geno or the lack of offensive talent on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think he was making a funny about geno or the lack of offensive talent on the team Most likely he was saying that Geno's limited reps was equal to almost not having a training camp at all and despite all of that, still won 8 games. Agree or disagree, but that's the message he was conveying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Most likely he was saying that Geno's limited reps was equal to almost not having a training camp at all and despite all of that, still won 8 games. Agree or disagree, but that's the message he was conveying. ha ha. yes all true but I was actually referring to what obrien2toon said. he asked what does tc mean? talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 ha ha. yes all true but I was actually referring to what obrien2toon said. he asked what does tc mean? talent? Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 If the Jets draft amaro at 18 - we riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 this cat has a plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 If the Jets draft amaro at 18 - we riot. I wouldnt riot, but I'd be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I wouldnt riot, but I'd be pissed. Forgive my exaggeration, but in all seriousness I'd be so pissed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Forgive my exaggeration, but in all seriousness I'd be so pissed lol I just dont think you draft a TE with the first pick of the draft. If this is the so-called "Deepest draft in 10 years" then I simply cant see how Jace Amaro is the BAP at the 18th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I just dont think you draft a TE with the first pick of the draft. If this is the so-called "Deepest draft in 10 years" then I simply cant see how Jace Amaro is the BAP at the 18th pick. Exactly. I would be just as pissed if we took Ebron at 18 too. Too many holes to fill to be taking a TE in round 1. I much rather the Jets sign someone like Owen Daniels who's a good pass catching TE when healthy, for cheap of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Exactly. I would be just as pissed if we took Ebron at 18 too. Too many holes to fill to be taking a TE in round 1. I much rather the Jets sign someone like Owen Daniels who's a good pass catching TE when healthy, for cheap of course. Exactly. Like they said, the draft is deep. We should be able to find a serviceable guy in later rounds. That 1st rounder needs to be either a WR, OLB or FS. Anything else I simply wont understand. No defensive lineman and no cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 #1 & #4 at the top kinda contradicts itself, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Exactly. Like they said, the draft is deep. We should be able to find a serviceable guy in later rounds. That 1st rounder needs to be either a WR, OLB or FS. Anything else I simply wont understand. No defensive lineman and no cornerback. I despise need based drafting, but even if that is where you are aiming - why not QB? There are quite a few potential first round QBs. FS is awfully specific and S is not a value position IMO. If you are a great DB you are almost always playing CB, not S. G isn't a generally a value position either, but I'd take G over S for need, value and the number of players that usually deserve a 1st round grade. Hell T is probably no far behind S. It's impossible to predict who will be BAP when you are 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetknowledge Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I figured all that, and exactly why I believe in idzik. I been was saying mehta lies and gets paid for it. Smh But no complaints,Just want moreno to get snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzieny Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I despise need based drafting, but even if that is where you are aiming - why not QB? There are quite a few potential first round QBs. FS is awfully specific and S is not a value position IMO. If you are a great DB you are almost always playing CB, not S. G isn't a generally a value position either, but I'd take G over S for need, value and the number of players that usually deserve a 1st round grade. Hell T is probably no far behind S. It's impossible to predict who will be BAP when you are 18. Bite your tongue. The Eugene supporters will have your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thanks for posting. Tony Pauline might be the biggest joke of a talent evaluator/insider ever. The guy makes Cannizaro look like a genius. Very stupid post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Very stupid post. How so? The guy is a complete hack. Thanks for the insult though. Sorry if I insulted your big sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How so? The guy is a complete hack. Thanks for the insult though. Jerk off. Sorry if I insulted your little sister. This post isn't even as stupid as your previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 This post isn't even as stupid as your previous post. lol. Coming from such a knowledgeable JI poster like you?lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 lol. Coming from such a knowledgeable JI poster like you?lolI know Tony is A LOT more knowledgable than you or I. If you follow him he's had excellent insight and he's been a valid sourcei over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I know Tony is A LOT more knowledgable than you or I. If you follow him he's had excellent insight and he's been a valid sourcei over the years. Is he? Have you looked back at his draft predictions? They are always wrong. Most of the posters on here are more knowledgeable and accurate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Is he? Have you looked back at his draft predictions? They are always wrong. Most of the posters on here are more knowledgeable and accurate..No. Just stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 If the Jets draft amaro at 18 - we riot. ya agree, reach of the century LOL,,almost sounds like guy has TE agenda the way he stupidly says Amare is a #18 and ebron has all these issue which no one else has uncovered, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I despise need based drafting, but even if that is where you are aiming - why not QB? There are quite a few potential first round QBs. FS is awfully specific and S is not a value position IMO. If you are a great DB you are almost always playing CB, not S. G isn't a generally a value position either, but I'd take G over S for need, value and the number of players that usually deserve a 1st round grade. Hell T is probably no far behind S. It's impossible to predict who will be BAP when you are 18. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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