RutgersJetFan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Are saying he should have been fired after 2012 or after 2011? If you are saying 2012, okay. If you are saying 2011, hindsight is 20-20, but that was premature. ...no reason a guy gets to keep his job after a two year run like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Fine. If you are wondering about my confusion, it was because I still kind of consider this after 2013 - not quite 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Signing a proven kick/punt returner would have been relatively cheap...and while none of them were world-beaters at receiver...they'd be playing a major role on this offense. yep another brilliant move let jacoby ford go and keep the trash we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Its just terrible roster management. Period. 2 straight years, they're trotting out street FA's and asking them to play a major role on Sunday. Injuries be damned. Why cut a guy like Jacoby Ford who can be a WR/Return Specialist only to sign a return specialist (Powell) and a WR (Graham)? You got 2 rosters spots being taken by terrible players for something that most teams easily do with 1 roster spot. Idzik sucks Or like most teams, find a #6 WR who can be your return guy. beat me to it.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Jacoby Ford now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The funny thing is wasn't jacoby Ford getting praises left and right this TC? Yet they cut him...........must be he was to good so like the jets do we cut them like woodhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detjetsfan69 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The funny thing is wasn't jacoby Ford getting praises left and right this TC? Yet they cut him...........must be he was to good so like the jets do we cut them. Most of the "knowledgeable" Jets fans were loving the "low-risk, high reward" signing of Jacoby Ford. Guy was a total bum and Idzik actually thought we didn't need anything at WR after signing him and Decker. That's just asinine and tells you Idzik is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Most of the "knowledgeable" Jets fans were loving the "low-risk, high reward" signing of Jacoby Ford. Guy was a total bum and Idzik actually thought we didn't need anything at WR after signing him and Decker. That's just asinine and tells you Idzik is lost. I didn't want him for WR I wanted him for specials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I think Idzik has had his eye on 2015 from the day he took the job and he's made his personnel moves accordingly. It's hard for many fans to reconcile Idzik's cold pragmatism and Rex's, er, unrelenting positivity, but I don't think Idzik had much of a choice. The team was always going to scuffle for these two seasons because of decisions made long before he got here. If you have your eye on 2015 don't you have build towards that? He's left himself a whole lot of work to do in just 1 off-season. Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Jacoby Ford now. Its not about Ford, its about how your boo Idzik literally cant do the simplest of roster management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Only thing I can come up with is were outright tanking this year. In 2012, I actually think the Jets felt their roster was good enough. And that team was worse than this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The funny thing is wasn't jacoby Ford getting praises left and right this TC? Yet they cut him...........must be he was to good so like the jets do we cut them like woodhead. Well, not exactly. I believe he is currently out of football. More likely like the Jets often do, they signed a bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you have your eye on 2015 don't you have build towards that? He's left himself a whole lot of work to do in just 1 off-season. Doesn't make sense. The 2015 roster, right now, will be one of the youngest in the league, with almost zero dead contractual weight. The new coach can come in and, via Idzik, shape it however he wants. If the new coach wants to run the 3-4, he'll be able to. If he wants to run the spread, he'll be able to. There is no sense in stacking the roster with a bunch of guys the next coach may not have a use for. QB: Geno Smith RB: Chris Ivory; Bilal Powell TE: Jace Amaro; Jeff Cumberland WR: Eric Decker LT: Brick LG: Winters; Aboushi C: Mangold RG: Dozier RT: Giacomini DE: Sheldon Richardson; Mo Wilkerson; Quentin Coples DT: Harrison ILB: Demario Davis OLB: Reilly; Enkempali S: Antonio Allen; Calvin Pryor CB: Milliner; McDougle; Walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Its not about Ford, its about how your boo Idzik literally cant do the simplest of roster management. How about your coaching staff puts their heads together and teaches one of their 53 players how to catch a punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Only thing I can come up with is were outright tanking this year. In 2012, I actually think the Jets felt their roster was good enough. And that team was worse than this one. No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The 2015 roster, right now, will be one of the youngest in the league, with almost zero dead contractual weight. The new coach can come in and, via Idzik, shape it however he wants. If the new coach wants to run the 3-4, he'll be able to. If he wants to run the spread, he'll be able to. There is no sense in stacking the roster with a bunch of guys the next coach may not have a use for. QB: Geno Smith RB: Chris Ivory; Bilal Powell TE: Jace Amaro; Jeff Cumberland WR: Eric Decker LT: Brick LG: Winters; Aboushi C: Mangold RG: Dozier RT: Giacomini DE: Sheldon Richardson; Mo Wilkerson; Quentin Coples DT: Harrison ILB: Demario Davis OLB: Reilly; Enkempali S: Antonio Allen; Calvin Pryor CB: Milliner; McDougle; Walls If the QB is Geno Smith, the Jets will have to fall in the Knicks category for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 If the QB is Geno Smith, the Jets will have to fall in the Knicks category for me That's the only QB under contract in 2015. For sure, they'll add two more players (Hoyer-type and draft pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Yes, that does sum it up rather nicely.Problem is even though it was a 1 score game on the last 2 Jet drives, the outcome was never really in doubt.Opposing offenses doen't have much to worry about when the Jets offense cannot keep up. The Jet offense is a noncomabatant, in part because the personnel stinks but also because the HC does nothing, not scheme nor idea, to make it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Jacoby Ford now. I don't see what's hard about this. Idzik is obviously doing a pretty fair job of getting some skill position talent on this roster. Trading for Ivory, signing Decker, and drafting Amaro is a pretty good start. We're certainly accustomed to worse. The thing is that those acquisitions all cost something. Pick and a contract for Ivory, premium money for Decker, high pick for Amaro. Anything else in the immediate term had to come cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Ideally, he'd've been making every effort to field a good team this year. He leaned too heavily on a poor draft class, most of which is no longer with the team, and he had too much faith in Geno. I'd love to thank him for the cap space and show him the door along with Rex.Entirely sensible. Call up Tom Gamble or walk across the parking lot to talke to Steve Ross-a young guy looking to make his mark as GM right now with a pile of cap cash and a high draft pick. Which is why it won't happen with Woody Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 How about your coaching staff puts their heads together and teaches one of their 53 players how to catch a punt? How about your boo Idzik finds someone who already knows how? You're taught this sh*t in High School. Instead of wasting your coaches time teaching players how to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I don't see what's hard about this. Idzik is obviously doing a pretty fair job of getting some skill position talent on this roster. Trading for Ivory, signing Decker, and drafting Amaro is a pretty good start. We're certainly accustomed to worse. The thing is that those acquisitions all cost something. Pick and a contract for Ivory, premium money for Decker, high pick for Amaro. Anything else in the immediate term had to come cheap. The Jalen Saunders pick and eventual cut was a psychological atom bomb for those already upset that their coach was being put out to pasture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 How about your boo Idzik finds someone who already knows how? You're taught this sh*t in High School. Instead of wasting your coaches time teaching players how to catch. There are plenty of players on the roster, I'm sure, who can catch a punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There are plenty of players on the roster, I'm sure, who can catch a punt.A this point, put Kerely back there and tell him to fair catch everything. Could and are now doing a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I don't see what's hard about this. Idzik is obviously doing a pretty fair job of getting some skill position talent on this roster. Trading for Ivory, signing Decker, and drafting Amaro is a pretty good start. We're certainly accustomed to worse. The thing is that those acquisitions all cost something. Pick and a contract for Ivory, premium money for Decker, high pick for Amaro. Anything else in the immediate term had to come cheap. Exactly. He may not be doing it at the pace that our instant gratification-demanding fanbase wants, but he has put some pieces in place. With decent QB play, the outlook on the offense changes dramatically. On defense, the talent is there as well. Our CB position has been decimated by injuries, but there is talent there. Demario Davis is turning into a very good MLB. Put another speedy LB (or two) next to him, and we're good at that position. The D-Line is young and very talented. What's happened here this season is our QB has faltered yet again, and it's amplified our other issues. The head coach has to be held accountable for the lack of development at the QB spot. Terrible QB play has been a recurring theme since Rex has been here. It's time for him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 A this point, put Kerely back there and tell him to fair catch everything. Could and are now doing a lot worse. Yes rather just catch the ball then these guys turning the ball over to the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There are plenty of players on the roster, I'm sure, who can catch a punt. Lets throw Decker or Kerley out there and risk injury. It's no big deal, the Jets have mad depth at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 And who's to blame for those "talent deficiencies"? SPOILER ALERT: REX TomShane believes the locker room culture creates the talent level. Much like how the shower room creates athlete's foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 The head coach has to be held accountable for the lack of development at the QB spot. there's not a coach in America who could turn Geno Smith into a good player. Whoever the next coach is, he's not going to show up and say "thank goodness Geno Smith is here, I can build around this player" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 TomShane believes the locker room culture creates the talent level. Much like how the shower room creates athlete's foot. You believe the talent level is measured in body fat percentage divided by 40 time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You believe the talent level is measured in body fat percentage divided by 40 time. If all I needed was a 40 time to be happy, i'd love Geno Smith. As the coaches say, he's a fine athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 there's not a coach in America who could turn Geno Smith into a good player. Whoever the next coach is, he's not going to show up and say "thank goodness Geno Smith is here, I can build around this player" In the end bit, this coach has had the chance to work with two QBs who were considered to be among the best prospects the year they came out. He's failed to get anything out of both of them. Coaches rarely get a second chance to develop a young QB. Keeping Rex would mean he gets a third. Sorry man. I was as big a supporter of Rex's as anyone. But it's six years of the same crap offense now. At some point, you have to consider that maybe the head coach is part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well, not exactly. I believe he is currently out of football. More likely like the Jets often do, they signed a bum he is injured but he is still on the chargers and was doing good for them before the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Apparently Ford is still unsigned http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I think Idzik has had his eye on 2015 from the day he took the job and he's made his personnel moves accordingly. It's hard for many fans to reconcile Idzik's cold pragmatism and Rex's, er, unrelenting positivity, but I don't think Idzik had much of a choice. The team was always going to scuffle for these two seasons because of decisions made long before he got here. This whole idea that Idzik has some master plan would be far worse than incompetence. So he would tank drafts, decimate certain positions, alienate free agents and their agents, and set a coach up to fail (when Rex can do that just fine on his own), damaging the lockerooom culture to get his own guy? What coach is going to come into that situation? Rex has to go, but the Jets would be looking at High School coaches if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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