ylekram Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 and I finally had a chance yesterday to catch up and watch a few dvr'd games a little more thoroughly. the one thing that smacks you right in the face is how bad the offensive line is. I don't ever remember it being this bad. in the past there was only one really bad player on the line that made it look bad. this year it is just putrid. how can any young developing qb survive with limited weapons and with this oline? breno giacomini- pure trash. completely "wiffs" 4 or 5 times a game. there were more in the Denver game. this is no surprise to me, as I was very familiar with this player in seattle and have had heated debates with other posters on this site about his ability.the view I heard was that he was good enough for seattle, he has to be good enough for the jets.lol I knew I was right all along. he has some run block in him and can handle the bullrush. use any kinda move on him and he is beat. do the jets really have 2 1/2 more years of this guy? brian winters- maybe a **** hair below giacomini. has some run blocking in him and can handle a bulrush. same player as giacomini.injury might be a blessing in disguise colon- same ol player here. probably the most consistant of the bunch. his ceiling at this point is just average brick- having a rough time manning that left tackle position. regularly gives up qb pressure mangold- not the player he once was but is the best of the bunch don't want to give your young,struggling qb any expensive weapons? that's fine. maybe he hasn't earned that. set him up with a disaster of an offensive line and you truly are setting him up to fail. if idzik is going to be around for another year or 2, he needs to fix the oline immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 and I finally had a chance yesterday to catch up and watch a few dvr'd games a little more thoroughly. the one thing that smacks you right in the face is how bad the offensive line is. I don't ever remember it being this bad. in the past there was only one really bad player on the line that made it look bad. this year it is just putrid. how can any young developing qb survive with limited weapons and with this oline? breno giacomini- pure trash. completely "wiffs" 4 or 5 times a game. there were more in the Denver game. this is no surprise to me, as I was very familiar with this player in seattle and have had heated debates with other posters on this site about his ability.the view I heard was that he was good enough for seattle, he has to be good enough for the jets.lol I knew I was right all along. he has some run block in him and can handle the bullrush. use any kinda move on him and he is beat. do the jets really have 2 1/2 more years of this guy? brian winters- maybe a **** hair below giacomini. has some run blocking in him and can handle a bulrush. same player as giacomini.injury might be a blessing in disguise colon- same ol player here. probably the most consistant of the bunch. his ceiling at this point is just average brick- having a rough time manning that left tackle position. regularly gives up qb pressure mangold- not the player he once was but is the best of the bunch don't want to give your young,struggling qb any expensive weapons? that's fine. maybe he hasn't earned that. set him up with a disaster of an offensive line and you truly are setting him up to fail. if idzik is going to be around for another year or 2, he needs to fix the oline immediately. I don't care who the coach or GM are, if they don't fix the OL, then we're going to be having this same conversation over and over and over again... the QB sucks, the coach sucks, the GM sucks, because we can't score points and our defense is on the field far too much. Simple math, that the Jets can't seem to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I looked at PFF rankings this morning.... As of today, the five worst rated run blockers on the Jets entire roster, not just the linemen, but all 53 are: Tommy Bohanon Brian Winters Willie Colon D'Brickashaw Ferguson Jeff Cumberland The only two players who are rated "above average" are Mangold, and Amaro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I'd say Ferguson is the most overrated Jet of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I'd say Ferguson is the most overrated Jet of all time. I'd say he's rated just about right. I don't think anyone has him going to Canton, but he's been a very good LT for many years who will occasionally get beat by speed rushers. He's lost a step and the team is bad so now it's magnified, but I like what he's done and I don't think anyone is placing him among the all-time great LT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well I taped and watched a couple games and if the sh*tty QB did not hold the ball so long the line woukd look better. Watched St Louis QB on Mon night and even that scrub was making his drop and getting the ball out. Geno is not smart enough to go threw his progressions fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well I taped and watched a couple games and if the sh*tty QB did not hold the ball so long the line woukd look better. Watched St Louis QB on Mon night and even that scrub was making his drop and getting the ball out. Geno is not smart enough to go threw his progressions fast enough. Bingo! There was an article posted on here recently where someone broke down QB pressure. The opponents QB's have been taking much worst of a beating then Geno has. With that said I also believe that the Jets OL needs to be up graded very soon . which reminds me, Where the heck has Sperm been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 which reminds me, Where the heck has Sperm been? I was starting to think that IPBanBadPosters was him. I dunno. He's MIA for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Didn't know much about Breno but was shocked that the jets went into the season with Winters and\or Colon starting - they were horrific in pass protection last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 mangold- not the player he once was but is the best of the bunch Mangold looks a shadow of himself. brian winters- maybe a **** hair below giacomini. has some run blocking in him and can handle a bulrush. same player as giacomini.injury might be a blessing in disguise I will always wonder how our good our OL would be with Gabe Jackson on it. The JETS absolutely screwed that 3rd round pick in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't care who the coach or GM are, if they don't fix the OL, then we're going to be having this same conversation over and over and over again... the QB sucks, the coach sucks, the GM sucks, because we can't score points and our defense is on the field far too much. Simple math, that the Jets can't seem to figure out. I've been all about this for like ever. I just gave up talking about it when I realized it was a pipe dream. IMO they squandered the opportunity to have an Elite NFL OL with one of the best players in their history. I truly believe Mangold's ineffectiveness at times has been the sh*t surrounding him. A wasted opportunity of talent IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Which is exactly why the Hoyer stuff is kind of silly. He's got one of the best olines in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Mangold looks a shadow of himself. I will always wonder how our good our OL would be with Gabe Jackson on it. The JETS absolutely screwed that 3rd round pick in the draft. gabe Jackson was on my short list,also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I've been all about this for like ever. I just gave up talking about it when I realized it was a pipe dream. IMO they squandered the opportunity to have an Elite NFL OL with one of the best players in their history. I truly believe Mangold's ineffectiveness at times has been the sh*t surrounding him. A wasted opportunity of talent IMO. I'm in absolute agreement. People are always whining about Revis could have been the best Jet ever, well, I felt that way about Mangold, but just like our QB, if you surround him with garbage it's going to bring him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Which is exactly why the Hoyer stuff is kind of silly. He's got one of the best olines in football. What Hoyer stuff? Are people really mentioning it or are you talking about me saying it the other day? I sure don't know enough about Hoyer to make him a huge want. We just need a QB and he is the name people are mentioning. Doesn't seem like a bad floor to have, but I would not want to be putting all my eggs in that basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I was starting to think that IPBanBadPosters was him. I dunno. He's MIA for a while now. I suspect he's preparing a REALLY long post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Well I taped and watched a couple games and if the sh*tty QB did not hold the ball so long the line woukd look better. Watched St Louis QB on Mon night and even that scrub was making his drop and getting the ball out. Geno is not smart enough to go threw his progressions fast enough. not only that but even after the pocket collapses and all the defenders are rolling on the ground laughing. Geno then goes into super fast release mode and throws it at the feet of the nearest Jet. huh? Instead of doing what everyone elses QB does which is step away from the pressure and look down field for someone to get open and the clock starts over as if new play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I suspect he's preparing a REALLY long post I haven't seen him since before stevegrunder called him out in that thread a couple weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I haven't seen him since before stevegrunder called him out in that thread a couple weeks ago. Oh yeah, that's right. I don't think he even responded. Very un- Sperm like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 And when you have WR's that struggle mightily with getting separation or good route running in general ... guess it adds up to a bad passing game. That's ok ... thank God we still have a crushing run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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