Paradis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This mentality about draft 'em high and start 'em fast... Jones is a great example of guy who you could draft in the 3rd-4th and develop for 1-2 years. not saying right now we should, but that's the way to go this year. Forget Mariota and Winston. Start watching film on Grayson, Bridge, Petty etc. that's where the value is this year IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I love how some people comment on Cardale without even seeing him play, he probably should declare and I could see him going in 2nd-3rd rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He is getting a lot of fame and attention. How will he handle it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I love how some people comment on Cardale without even seeing him play, he probably should declare and I could see him going in 2nd-3rd rd. There are others ripping Mariota after watching him for the first time last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 There are others ripping Mariota after watching him for the first time last night. he deserves it. He looked terrible. A product of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Well actually it can get worse. If you pass on the next sheldon richardson, darrel revis to reach for a Qb it gets worse if the Jets get the next Sheldon Richardson, that guy doesn't even have a starting position it's all about the QB. if they get one they'll be good if they don't theyll stink. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 he deserves it. He looked terrible. A product of the system. Smart guy though. Somebody will take a chance. I doubt he even makes it to 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Smart guy though. Somebody will take a chance. I doubt he even makes it to 6 I agree with that prediction he won't make it to 6 but there wasn't anything particularly special about this player last night. Alot of dink and dunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Smart guy though. Somebody will take a chance. I doubt he even makes it to 6 Unlike Sanchez, he didn't break down mentally when the OL failed him, which was pretty much all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I agree with that prediction he won't make it to 6 but there wasn't anything particularly special about this player last night. Alot of dink and dunk. Mariota played without his two top WRs - Carrington and Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 if the Jets get the next Sheldon Richardson, that guy doesn't even have a starting position it's all about the QB. if they get one they'll be good if they don't theyll stink. It's that simple. No one we draft (outside of winston which isn't happening) is going to start for us next year. The QB class this year doesn't have anyone like that.... In other words, take a deep breath and get used to the notion that we'll be surviving off Geno/veteran we bring in. No sense is reaching on a QB that needs development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Is this thread serious? I know 'no personal attacks', but do you guys actually watch college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 if the Jets get the next Sheldon Richardson, that guy doesn't even have a starting position it's all about the QB. if they get one they'll be good if they don't theyll stink. It's that simple. Pick any position you wish, richardson was only an example of what you can get by sticking to your board. Pick and olineman, Wr, LB any position you like. If you force picks due to need to over time erode team talent. You look aback and say, gee the QB we took in the 1st round is a two year bust and the olineman we passed on is a pro bowler. You need a Qb but if there is not a good one there it is stupid to force it. Look at Geno smith, that was a good pick by the jets. One of the top rated QBs in the class but not a great class, we took him at a value spot in the 2nd round after going CB and DL. Now look at the Bills, and Manuel, no better than Geno but taken 20 picks or so higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Is this thread serious? I know 'no personal attacks', but do you guys actually watch college football. Make a counter point that can be debated instead of just throwing out a shot. What is your evaluation so we can judge whether you watch college ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Make a counter point that can be debated instead of just throwing out a shot. What is your evaluation so we can judge whether you watch college ball? He's a sophomore. That sentence has more in it than any "we should draft him" post. Stop watching ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's a sophomore. That sentence has more in it than any "we should draft him" post. Stop watching ESPN. If he declares he'll get picked up by someone, somewhere in the range of 3rd round - UDFA. Where on that continuum would you be willing to take a flyer on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If he declares he'll get picked up by someone, somewhere in the range of 3rd round - UDFA. Where on that continuum would you be willing to take a flyer on him? Right where I'd take Terrell Pryor. AKA: never. And I'll say it again, stop watching ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Right where I'd take Terrell Pryor. AKA: never. And I'll say it again, stop watching ESPN. I watched the game last night, that's what I'm going on. I don't give a sh** what the talking heads say. You haven't made a single viable argument that he isn't even worth a 7th rounder or UDFA signing. He's big, fast and has a strong arm. Obviously the sample size is too small to commit anything but 3rd string duties to him at the pro game until he learns the position. But with QB being a premium position, it's going to be worth taking a small risk for a franchise out there. I think it should be us if the price is right. It's not like anyone knows exactly how these QB prospects will play out in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Neuman Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This writer is Mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I watched the game last night, that's what I'm going on. I don't give a sh** what the talking heads say. You haven't made a single viable argument that he isn't even worth a 7th rounder or UDFA signing. He's big, fast and has a strong arm. Obviously the sample size is too small to commit anything but 3rd string duties to him at the pro game until he learns the position. But with QB being a premium position, it's going to be worth taking a small risk for a franchise out there. I think it should be us if the price is right. It's not like anyone knows exactly how these QB prospects will play out in the first place. He's a sophomore. Stop watching ESPN. I mean do you really think some team is going to hit a home run on a sophomore when the entire history of NCAA QBs is dont draft an underclassmen with very few exceptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's a sophomore. Stop watching ESPN. I mean do you really think some team is going to hit a home run on a sophomore when the entire history of NCAA QBs is dont draft an underclassmen with very few exceptions? He's a sophomore. Stop watching ESPN. Read that the first time you posted it, and it's not an argument. I'm saying he's worth a flier as, at least, a 7th rounder or UDFA. No one is expecting to hit a Home Run with that kind of pick. We once took Scotty McKnight in the 7th round. This guy is not in the typical category of underclassmen, so you can throw your dumb rule out, too. Which of those Underclassmen failures were 3rd string QB's who did what he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 he deserves it. He looked terrible. A product of the system. how much of him looking out of kilter do you attribute to not having his WRs with him? or not having a running game. Now he is a product of his system, but that does not mean that he can not learn any other system. He is smart, athletic, a leader and has a very good arm. It seems like you believe he has a lot less upside that many others. He is not ready but give him some good coaching and two camps and I think he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxman Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would still take Mariota if he's there at 6, assuming we have an OC who doesn't have his head lodged up his own butt and a serviceable veteran QB he can sit behind for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 how much of him looking out of kilter do you attribute to not having his WRs with him? or not having a running game. Now he is a product of his system, but that does not mean that he can not learn any other system. He is smart, athletic, a leader and has a very good arm. It seems like you believe he has a lot less upside that many others. He is not ready but give him some good coaching and two camps and I think he will be. Some of it was him missing his top wrs but you also have to give credit to the defensive line who dominated the ducks online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's a sophomore. Stop watching ESPN. Read that the first time you posted it, and it's not an argument. I'm saying he's worth a flier as, at least, a 7th rounder or UDFA. No one is expecting to hit a Home Run with that kind of pick. We once took Scotty McKnight in the 7th round. This guy is not in the typical category of underclassmen, so you can throw your dumb rule out, too. Which of those Underclassmen failures were 3rd string QB's who did what he did? He has stupid wasted pick written all over him. Just like Scotty McKnight. Not sure how or why you don't see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He has stupid wasted pick written all over him. Just like Scotty McKnight. Not sure how or why you don't see this. Because you don't have a clue which QB's will pan out, just like everyone else. Just as you can declare him worthless after 3 starts, I can declare him worthy of being scooped up on what he showed in his 3 starts. Stubbornly saying the same thing over and over again like you know anything doesn't make you right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's staying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Kurt Warner was a supermarket clerk. I don't care if this kid is a sophomore he has nfl type skills. If he comes out he will be drafted it's just a question of what round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's not staying to back up Barrett, that's nonsense. And Bryce Petty? Get outta here, he's dogsh*t. All these second tier QBs are almost always dogsh*t. This notion that you pick a lower tier QB and develop them just doesn't work. Ever. It's something like 97%+ QBs drafted from the second round on don't amount to anything. If a QB with a first round grade is there, you take him. And then take another in the later rounds. You don't rely on the second tier QB as your only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's not staying to back up Barrett, that's nonsense. And Bryce Petty? Get outta here, he's dogsh*t. All these second tier QBs are almost always dogsh*t. This notion that you pick a lower tier QB and develop them just doesn't work. Ever. It's something like 97%+ QBs drafted from the second round on don't amount to anything. If a QB with a first round grade is there, you take him. And then take another in the later rounds. You don't rely on the second tier QB as your only hope. Have to agree. Manning, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Rivers,Luck,Stafford, Cutler, Palmer all in first round or 2nd(Brees). Only franchise Qb exceptions currently are Brady and Wilson. Historically, Marino, Elway, Favre,Kelly, Aikman, Young also. Montana and Warner exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 He's not staying to back up Barrett, that's nonsense. And Bryce Petty? Get outta here, he's dogsh*t. All these second tier QBs are almost always dogsh*t. This notion that you pick a lower tier QB and develop them just doesn't work. Ever. It's something like 97%+ QBs drafted from the second round on don't amount to anything. If a QB with a first round grade is there, you take him. And then take another in the later rounds. You don't rely on the second tier QB as your only hope. ^This guy gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Have to agree. Manning, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Roethlisberger, Rivers,Luck,Stafford, Cutler, Palmer all in first round or 2nd(Brees). Only franchise Qb exceptions currently are Brady and Wilson. Historically, Marino, Elway, Favre,Kelly, Aikman, Young also. Montana and Warner exceptions. Missed one. Romo (undrafted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Missed one. Romo (undrafted) You are right. Thanks. I'd also add Newton and Ryan to the 1st rounders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Cardale Jones on NFL: “In my personal opinion, I’m not ready for that level.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Cardale Jones on NFL: “In my personal opinion, I’m not ready for that level.” What an idiot. He's worth 2 first rounders easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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