The Jets Better Not Follow The Yankees Lead With StubHub

[Maxman]

On 2/21/2016 at 0:18 PM, RutgersJetFan said:

I don't understand, what kind of lunatic would wanna sell tickets to go salivate over a Billy Martin monument and follow that up with cheering for ARod and Aroldis Chapman? You don't sell tickets for that. You move heaven and earth to experience that shiznit.

I think you are too young to really have appreciated the full Billy Martin experience. That was some crazy stuff, so entertaining though.

[Maxman]

2 hours ago, gEYno said:

I know the first thing I do, when I arrive at my seats at a game, is to poll the rest of my section on what they paid for those seats.

Oh, you are that guy. I know you lol.

That guy always pays less than me. I hate him.

[rex-n-effect]

2 hours ago, jmat321 said:

It's ironic that all these professional sports team used data from StubHub to justify raising their ticket prices to Market Value.  Now the market has changed, prices have dropped and they want to lock out StubHub.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Flushing Roots said:

Secondary ticket marketplaces like StubHub are the most accurate barometers out there showing what the real market value of tickets are and the Yankees with their overpriced ones hate them for it.

These are two key points. This move is undoubtedly less about controlling the market price in the secondary market as it is controlling the market price in the primary market. The Yankees don't really care if jetsam from the great washed has landed among the premium seats as much as they care about the price they can set on the premium seats in the first place. If a $200 seat sells in a secondary market at $70 it's tough to justify raising prices the following year. But if you can put a floor under the secondary market then you can justify raising the original price. Taking money on secondary market transactions and selling a few more cheap seats is nice but hardly the profit center.

It's unlikely this happens in the NFL due to the difference in the number of games. With the number of MLB games there is a lot of supply for seats that outstrips demand which is why the Yankees want to create an artificial floor in the market. The NFL has so few games that the demand is at or above the supply. The PSL contracts likely also limit the power of the team to control the secondary market at least to the extent the tickets are related to PSLs.

[SAR I]

45 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

 

These are two key points. This move is undoubtedly less about controlling the market price in the secondary market as it is controlling the market price in the primary market. The Yankees don't really care if jetsam from the great washed has landed among the premium seats as much as they care about the price they can set on the premium seats in the first place. If a $200 seat sells in a secondary market at $70 it's tough to justify raising prices the following year. But if you can put a floor under the secondary market then you can justify raising the original price. Taking money on secondary market transactions and selling a few more cheap seats is nice but hardly the profit center.

This is where logic can get interesting.

We agree that a $200 seat on a cold Tuesday night in April in a certain section would be worth only $70 in today's StubHub world.

Let's say that next year, all season ticket holders quit on the Yankees and all buyers for all games go a-la-carte, many of them buying 3-5 days before the game itself.  You know, just like they do now on StubHub.

In that case, all $200 seats for that game would be worth only $70 because that's all that people are willing to pay.  See, the Yankees are looking at this backwards.  They have thousands of season ticket holders who are ensuring that they get full price for all the games, good ones and the dogs.  Instead of thanking their lucky stars that they have that cache of fans who are overpaying for lousy games, they look at it the opposite way, they think a Tuesday nighter in April against the Tigers has the same value as a Saturday day game in July against the Royals. 

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Maxman said:

 

That guy always pays less than me. I hate him.

I call 'that guy' sitting next to me paying less "a customer".

I don't dislike him.  I need him.  He's the guy who's going to buy my seats for games I can't attend. 

That's how Yankee season ticket holders see it, trust me.  They don't view the last-minute StubHub buyer sitting next to them as riff-raff.  They view them as a source of income to offset losses.

SAR I

[Maxman]

1 minute ago, SAR I said:

I call 'that guy' sitting next to me paying less "a customer".

I don't dislike him.  I need him.  He's the guy who's going to buy my seats for games I can't attend. 

That's how Yankee season ticket holders see it, you know it to be true.

SAR I

I never sell my seats so he isn't a customer of mine. But now that I know that guy is your customer, I dislike him even more, lol.

Just kidding.

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, Flushing Roots said:

Secondary ticket marketplaces like StubHub are the most accurate barometers out there showing what the real market value of tickets are and the Yankees with their overpriced ones hate them for it.

+1

Somehow the Yankees think they can sell 49,000 seats for all games even though their average is only 39,000.  And that's the wrong way to look at it.  If the average is 39,000 with StubHub it would fall to 29,000 without it.

StubHub is putting more fans in the seats than the Yankees ever could, variable real-time pricing allows any fan to attend a game very affordably, and those fans buy concessions and pay for parking.  Not to mention, the Yankees already got full price for those tickets anyway. 

The Yankees, and any other pro team, cannot win here.  The lesser of the two evils is to let StubHub continue, let their loyal season ticket holders get back some cash for dog games, make those fans happy.  Because at least those fans overpay for the dog games.  In an open market system, fans simply won't go if a $70 game costs $125.  The Yanks will lose on both ends.  Season ticket holders will quit, a-la-carte fans won't pay high prices, the place will be empty.

SAR I

[ZachEY]

21 hours ago, dbatesman said:

It would be very disappointing if Mr. Johnson did this to his friends, the Jets faithful

I, for one, am happy to pay higher prices for my friend Mr. Johnson, as I do feel bad about how his investment in Jeb! turned out.

[Flushing Roots]

5 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I, for one, am happy to pay higher prices for my friend Mr. Johnson, as I do feel bad about how his investment in Jeb! turned out.

It's kinda poetic because I think he got way more scorched with that than any PSL holder ever did.

[prime21]

On 2/21/2016 at 10:39 AM, SAR I said:

Sorry about your friends experience, but saying Ticketmaster is the only site that should be used is not correct.  StubHub's counterfeit ticket level is less than half of 1%.  And if in a rare example it does happen, StubHub is on-site at the games and will immediately swap equal or better seats to any fans inconvenienced.

The point is that if I pay $150 to the Yankees to watch them play the Mariners on some lonely Thursday night and I have a meeting and can't go, I should have the right to get $75 or $50 or $25 back on a site that's easy to use for fans.  The Yankees should not have the right to say that I can only sell my tickets as low as $100 while they sell their seats at any price they want. 

SAR I

1 percent is obviously a low number BUT if i'm purchasing tickets to any event I want  a zero percent chance that I am being hustled.

Yes it's great to pay a lower amount but flip the side is seeing outrageous prices for better games/events. I yearn for the days of paying exactly what the ticket price is worth. If it's too expensive for my taste then I wont  buy it.

[RutgersJetFan]

22 minutes ago, Flushing Roots said:

It's kinda poetic because I think he got way more scorched with that than any PSL holder ever did.

I don't know what the hell that campaign was thinking when they hired him as chairman. $70+ mil down the drain. lOof.

[SAR I]

33 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I, for one, am happy to pay higher prices for my friend Mr. Johnson, as I do feel bad about how his investment in Jeb! turned out.

Not to worry.  President Trump will have Woody's back.

I was a New Jersey Generals fan.  Nice to see The Donald doing so well.

SAR I

[Fibonacci]

Looks like Yankees want to stabilize the ticket prices. They think market will normal itself in a few years and they will establish the ticket prices for good without worrying about Stubhub undercutting their prices. I think they are OK with losing some fans this year for the greater good in a few years. I don't care about baseball one bit and I only went to 1 baseball game in my life and left the game in 3rd inning. 

 

I agree with SAR. I hope this doesn't happen with the Jets. 

[SAR I]

25 minutes ago, prime21 said:

1 percent is obviously a low number BUT if i'm purchasing tickets to any event I want  a zero percent chance that I am being hustled.

Yes it's great to pay a lower amount but flip the side is seeing outrageous prices for better games/events. I yearn for the days of paying exactly what the ticket price is worth. If it's too expensive for my taste then I wont  buy it.

StubHub's stats show less than a 1% counterfeit rate, the way it's set up it's very hard to get ripped off, my experiences both as a buyer and a seller have been very good.  When I went to the AFC Championship Game in Indy, StubHub had me meet them at the stadium and pick up my tickets directly, no PDF's that time, and they were there at the door if anything went wrong.

As a Rangers and Yankees fan I've really enjoyed StubHub as it allows me to purchase last minute and below face value about 90% of the time.  More importantly, it also gives me access to great seating locations that usually are held by season ticket holders, without whom I could never sit at center ice down low, behind home plate, etc.

To me, this is a great time to be a live sports fan in New York.  Easy to sell games, easy to buy games, anyone at any income level can have a season ticket commitment or buy a-la-carte.  Think back to how it was in the 90s when shady ticket brokers advertised in the Daily News next to the dial-a-psychics and the escorts.  It's 180 degrees from there.

SAR I

[SAR I]

10 minutes ago, Fibonacci said:

Looks like Yankees want to stabilize the ticket prices. They think market will normal itself in a few years and they will establish the ticket prices for good without worrying about Stubhub undercutting their prices. I think they are OK with losing some fans this year for the greater good in a few years. I don't care about baseball one bit and I only went to 1 baseball game in my life and left the game in 3rd inning. 

I agree with SAR. I hope this doesn't happen with the Jets. 

It won't stabilize and the Yankees will be huge losers.

It's not like StubHub just goes away and people forget how easy and money-saving it was.  There are people who won't pay $125 to sit within the diamond at a baseball game and StubHub's $50 prices allowed them to do that.  They're not going to pay $125 and they're not going to sit in the bleachers.  They're just going to stop attending.  Same for the season ticket holders who lay out $60,000+ a year for 4 decent seats and can no longer recoup a few dollars for the games they can't attend.  Will be a train wreck. 

It's 2016, StubHub has shown the way, the Yankees should embrace it and learn from it instead of running from it or soon there will be no season ticket holders and the Yankees will be left with an a-la-carte fanbase and they themselves will be selling $50 tickets on rainy April nights instead of having season ticket holders and that $125 guaranteed income.

SAR I

[y2k8]

As a STH I really don't care if the Jets institute a similar policy.  It's 8 games a year, and I go to 5 or 6.  The games I sell I do so in advance, and if I can't sell at face I will just hit that DONATE button the Friday prior and take it as a tax deduction.  Fine by me.  In fact, a similar policy could only help me as people looking to pick up last minute deals would be compelled to pull the trigger earlier in the week.

[prime21]

StubHub's stats show less than a 1% counterfeit rate, the way it's set up it's very hard to get ripped off, my experiences both as a buyer and a seller have been very good.  When I went to the AFC Championship Game in Indy, StubHub had me meet them at the stadium and pick up my tickets directly, no PDF's that time, and they were there at the door if anything went wrong.

As a Rangers and Yankees fan I've really enjoyed StubHub as it allows me to purchase last minute and below face value about 90% of the time.  More importantly, it also gives me access to great seating locations that usually are held by season ticket holders, without whom I could never sit at center ice down low, behind home plate, etc.

To me, this is a great time to be a live sports fan in New York.  Easy to sell games, easy to buy games, anyone at any income level can have a season ticket commitment or buy a-la-carte.  Think back to how it was in the 90s when shady ticket brokers advertised in the Daily News next to the dial-a-psychics and the escorts.  It's 180 degrees from there.

SAR I

I don't attend much and when I do it's usually the games where they over priced and sold out. You are an active fan in that you get out to games often so I do value what you are saying.

You have definitely have reason to be upset with what's happening.

[Fibonacci]

48 minutes ago, SAR I said:

It won't stabilize and the Yankees will be huge losers.

It's not like StubHub just goes away and people forget how easy and money-saving it was.  There are people who won't pay $125 to sit within the diamond at a baseball game and StubHub's $50 prices allowed them to do that.  They're not going to pay $125 and they're not going to sit in the bleachers.  They're just going to stop attending.  Same for the season ticket holders who lay out $60,000+ a year for 4 decent seats and can no longer recoup a few dollars for the games they can't attend.  Will be a train wreck. 

It's 2016, StubHub has shown the way, the Yankees should embrace it and learn from it instead of running from it or soon there will be no season ticket holders and the Yankees will be left with an a-la-carte fanbase and they themselves will be selling $50 tickets on rainy April nights instead of having season ticket holders and that $125 guaranteed income.

SAR I

No Yankees will not be the biggest losers. We will watch and see together. First year and maybe second year they will take a hit but then they will see things get better for them. Like I said I don't follow baseball. Today on the radio, I heard Yankees didn't sign any free agents this year and they are waiting for the expensive contracts on their payroll expire. I think they are positioning themselves for 2 or 3 years later. So they will take the hit in the next 2 down years and once they put the good product on the field, they will have a ticket tradition where everyone will know it won't be easy to get their tickets for cheap in the secondary market so they will see number of season ticket holders go up steadily. 

Also here is a personal example from me. I can afford even the most expensive Jets season tickets. I prefer not to become a STH because I can sit in Club seats less than face value for more than half the games. I wait until Sunday's, get my tickets and head to the games. If I knew there wouldn't be anymore cheap Jets tickets, I would jump on STH wagon right away. So it is stubhub preventing me to become a Jets STH. If I didn't have the luxury of stubhub, I would be a STH already. 

[jetscrazey]

20 hours ago, SAR I said:

Agreed that ticket prices are crazy, but I might say that my Jets tickets at $125 for only 8 home games are quite a value compared to a comparable Rangers ticket at $225 for a whopping 41 games.  It takes 5 NHL games to equal the value of just 1 NFL game from an importance standpoint, losing 2 NFL games in a row is equivalent to losing 10 consecutive NHL games from a competitive standpoint.

While not everyone can afford the average $5,000 a year for 4 Jets season tickets, I feel the opposite as you do about the middle class being priced out.  StubHub has made tickets far easier to get and far more affordable.  I couldn't go to the Jags game this past year, and the most I could get for my $125 tickets was $70.  The Jets were 4-3, enroute to a 10-6 season, had a quarterback, had great WR's, were a fun watch on a Sunday at 1PM, and some fan got a bargain at my expense.  I'm fine with that, I can only recoup what the market will allow, and if some young father with his young son just getting a start in life and saving for a house was only able to attend a Jets game because of my loss, that's a good thing.

SAR I

fair points, if you can get on stubhub then prices are decent, especially last minute.  Ticketmaster service charges are extortion, it's good to have a competitor.

[rex-n-effect]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

This is where logic can get interesting.

We agree that a $200 seat on a cold Tuesday night in April in a certain section would be worth only $70 in today's StubHub world.

Let's say that next year, all season ticket holders quit on the Yankees and all buyers for all games go a-la-carte, many of them buying 3-5 days before the game itself.  You know, just like they do now on StubHub.

In that case, all $200 seats for that game would be worth only $70 because that's all that people are willing to pay.  See, the Yankees are looking at this backwards.  They have thousands of season ticket holders who are ensuring that they get full price for all the games, good ones and the dogs.  Instead of thanking their lucky stars that they have that cache of fans who are overpaying for lousy games, they look at it the opposite way, they think a Tuesday nighter in April against the Tigers has the same value as a Saturday day game in July against the Royals. 

SAR I

I agree with your premise but I disagree with your assumptions. Some STH might dump tickets but lots of those seats are held by businesses that aren't going to get on stubhub trying to get seats to take out clients. They are just going to buy the tickets and give away the unused tickets to employees. People will still go to games. If they spend $70 on stubhub maybe they spend $30 on seats higher up. If STH would dump en masse and people generally quit going to games then yes, this would be a massive failure.

On balance this probably evens out over time because they are still selling all season tickets plus some of the cheaper seats. The team can discount tickets or allow a lower than face value floor in the secondary market to drive business but they can set all markets at a profitable point this way. In your example the $200 seat turned $70 probably sits below a lot of empty seats that have been priced by consumers at $0. If the Yankees can get $200 on the lower seat and sell a $50 seat somewhere else in the park to the consumer that would have bought the $70 ticket on stubhub then the Yankees have made a 25% profit not letting the $200 ticket holder sell his seat for $70. They can afford to lose some consumers and still even out if not make more profit.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 2/21/2016 at 10:22 AM, SAR I said:

Love the Yankees, but their position against StubHub as if it's the problem with their ticket doldrums is just an awful decision for their season ticket holders.

Adore the Jets, but if they ever made it any harder to sell seats to games I simply cannot attend I'd seriously consider giving them up.

SAR I

And you're the rich guy on the forum.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 2/21/2016 at 10:32 AM, SAR I said:

Sure, sorry, should have explained it, it was all over the radio on Wednesday.

The Yankees are no longer allowing fans to print out PDF's and use them to enter Yankee Stadium.  They are requiring either a standard cardboard ticket or a digital QR code ticket for entry.  Their logic (which is complete BS) is that PDF's are too easy to copy and people are showing up with counterfeit tickets that are too easy to print out on a home computer.  So they only will allow standard tickets issued by the Yankees themselves or a digital ticket.  Their real motive is that StubHub's prices have no floor and the Yankees don't sell out and so fans can get a $50 mezzanine seat on StubHub and have no reason to pay $150 to the Yankees.  With Ticketmaster, the Yankees can set a floor price, make sure that no fans can resell tickets below a certain dollar amount.  The fact that it's their own season ticket holders trying to get a few dollars back doesn't seem to matter to the Yankees.  They're going to find out the hard way.

How this relates to StubHub is that they are the biggest and the best ticket resale portal and they don't have permission from the Yankees to integrate their digital QR code ticket system into their platform.  So if you're a fan and want to use StubHub to go to a Yankee game, the only option you'd have is to get them in the regular mail which is inconvenient for the seller and the buyer, won't happen.  Yankee fans who want to go do a few games will have to download a Ticketmaster app, put in personal information, and use that service to get Yankee tickets on the aftermarket.

As someone who has sold Jets tickets on the aftermarket for 15 years I can tell you that fans just want a good price and they want something that gets them tickets quickly and easily.  Everyone uses StubHub, this would be a big deal and hurt the ability of season ticket holders to move seats to games they can't get to.

SAR I

I despise the Yankees but it would be in their fans' best interest for the Yankees to do exactly what they're doing.  There will be so many empty seats if they cut off a lifeline for Joe Six Pack to go to the games (plus as you point out, the ticket owners can't make a few $$ reselling).  It will be embarrassing to the franchise and they'll eventually have to cut prices (which will be good for their fans).

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, Fibonacci said:

No Yankees will not be the biggest losers. We will watch and see together. First year and maybe second year they will take a hit but then they will see things get better for them. Like I said I don't follow baseball. Today on the radio, I heard Yankees didn't sign any free agents this year and they are waiting for the expensive contracts on their payroll expire. I think they are positioning themselves for 2 or 3 years later. So they will take the hit in the next 2 down years and once they put the good product on the field, they will have a ticket tradition where everyone will know it won't be easy to get their tickets for cheap in the secondary market so they will see number of season ticket holders go up steadily. 

Also here is a personal example from me. I can afford even the most expensive Jets season tickets. I prefer not to become a STH because I can sit in Club seats less than face value for more than half the games. I wait until Sunday's, get my tickets and head to the games. If I knew there wouldn't be anymore cheap Jets tickets, I would jump on STH wagon right away. So it is stubhub preventing me to become a Jets STH. If I didn't have the luxury of stubhub, I would be a STH already. 

Good post, and no doubt some disenfranchised season ticket holders would have no choice but to re-up and commit again.

However, there are far more fans doing a-la-carte at low prices than there are ex-season ticket holders who would want to re-join, in the end you'd have a handful of Yankee fans begrudgingly committing to 81 games again and you'd have tens of thousands of fans who would just stop going to games altogether, they simply can't afford it.  In Jets terms, for every fan like you who would fork over $3,000 each year to get back into MetLife you'd have 100 who don't have $3,000, they don't even have $300 to spend on a handful of games each season.

The good in StubHub for very expensive teams like the Yankees is that instead of season ticket holders leaving their seats empty, they're putting fans there who pay for parking, pay for food, pay for souvenirs.  Remember, the Yankees get paid in full for the seats anyway, it's not like those $50 fans were going to pay $300 or whatever the face value was.

SAR I

[TuscanyTile2]

 

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

+1

Somehow the Yankees think they can sell 49,000 seats for all games even though their average is only 39,000.  And that's the wrong way to look at it.  If the average is 39,000 with StubHub it would fall to 29,000 without it.

StubHub is putting more fans in the seats than the Yankees ever could, variable real-time pricing allows any fan to attend a game very affordably, and those fans buy concessions and pay for parking.  Not to mention, the Yankees already got full price for those tickets anyway. 

The Yankees, and any other pro team, cannot win here.  The lesser of the two evils is to let StubHub continue, let their loyal season ticket holders get back some cash for dog games, make those fans happy.  Because at least those fans overpay for the dog games.  In an open market system, fans simply won't go if a $70 game costs $125.  The Yanks will lose on both ends.  Season ticket holders will quit, a-la-carte fans won't pay high prices, the place will be empty.

SAR I

Agreed but THAT is what will cause prices to drop (which will be a good thing for Yankee fans).  Market forces ultimately win.  Btw, you've grown on me SAR I.  Many discussions you're in I find interesting.

[SAR I]

18 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And you're the rich guy on the forum.

Be that as it may, I'm not in this to make money, I attended 7 of 8 games last year, had a great time, even used StubHub for a pair of $400 Giants tickets (3x face) too.

But in lousy seasons, like '14 with Geno and Rex, I attended 2 of 8 games and yet was able to recoup about 70% of my money because of StubHub.  If the Jets did what the Yankees are attempting there is no way I'd keep writing $5,000 checks to the Jets in lousy years, that's just too much to ask for the handful of seasons we're actually good.  StubHub retains season ticket holders, mitigates our risk in down years, that's a fact.

It's 2016 and StubHub exists.  You can't put the genie back in the bottle.  If the Jets took away the secondary market I'd give up my seats and use the money towards the few good games, I'm not interested in losing $4,000 a year when I don't have to do that today.

SAR I

[SAR I]

16 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I despise the Yankees but it would be in their fans' best interest for the Yankees to do exactly what they're doing.  There will be so many empty seats if they cut off a lifeline for Joe Six Pack to go to the games (plus as you point out, the ticket owners can't make a few $$ reselling).  It will be embarrassing to the franchise and they'll eventually have to cut prices (which will be good for their fans).

Exactly right.  Either way, the Yankees lose, it's too late to change back to the old days when they could blackmail their fans by making them pay for 81 games without an easy way to sell off the games they can't attend.  Can't turn the clocks back to 1990.

There is one way out for the Yankees that's worth exploring.  They could establish a buy-back price from their season ticket holders.  Say I have a $300 seat to a lousy cold April Tuesday against the Mariners with our 5th starter, typically would be a $50 sale on StubHub.  Yankees could announce 5 days before the game that they will buy back that ticket from me for $100.  I'm happy because I'm $50 better than StubHub, Yankees are happy because they got the full $300 from me originally, Yankees are happy because they can re-sell that ticket at whatever price they think protects the brand and allows other seats to sell.

SAR I

[Flushing Roots]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Exactly right.  Either way, the Yankees lose, it's too late to change back to the old days when they could blackmail their fans by making them pay for 81 games without an easy way to sell off the games they can't attend.  Can't turn the clocks back to 1990.

There is one way out for the Yankees that's worth exploring.  They could establish a buy-back price from their season ticket holders.  Say I have a $300 seat to a lousy cold April Tuesday against the Mariners with our 5th starter, typically would be a $50 sale on StubHub.  Yankees could announce 5 days before the game that they will buy back that ticket from me for $100.  I'm happy because I'm $50 better than StubHub, Yankees are happy because they got the full $300 from me originally, Yankees are happy because they can re-sell that ticket at whatever price they think protects the brand and allows other seats to sell.

SAR I

The Devils do exactly that.  Last year it was 3 games they bought back (STH's choice of course) and this year they bought back 5.

The savings come back to you in the form of a credit towards next year's invoice.  My total nut next year will be less than this year's.

I think it's pretty clever marketing and the Yankees would be smart to offer the same benefit.  Shows the team wants to work with you.

[ZachEY]

4 hours ago, SAR I said:

Not to worry.  President Trump will have Woody's back.

I was a New Jersey Generals fan.  Nice to see The Donald doing so well.

SAR I

When Dolphins and Patriots fans come to a Jets game, they're not sending they're best fans.  They're not sending you.  They're not sending you.  They're sending fans who have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us.  They're bringing drugs.  They're bringing crime.  They're rapists.  And some, I assume are good people.

Make The Jets Great Again

[ZachEY]

5 hours ago, prime21 said:

1 percent is obviously a low number BUT if i'm purchasing tickets to any event I want  a zero percent chance that I am being hustled.

Yes it's great to pay a lower amount but flip the side is seeing outrageous prices for better games/events. I yearn for the days of paying exactly what the ticket price is worth. If it's too expensive for my taste then I wont  buy it.

But this is where the averages come in.  Lets say seats are 200 per game.  You skip 4 games as someone who isn't a season ticket holder.  You just saved $800 that you can afford to pay, over the $200 for a playoff ticket, or any other game you want to see.  This is why I'd never buy season tickets.  The money I'd save just on not paying for the preseason alone makes up will generally even out the playoff overages.  The perks of season tickets mean nothing.

[jvill 51]

1 hour ago, gEYno said:

But this is where the averages come in.  Lets say seats are 200 per game.  You skip 4 games as someone who isn't a season ticket holder.  You just saved $800 that you can afford to pay, over the $200 for a playoff ticket, or any other game you want to see.  This is why I'd never buy season tickets.  The money I'd save just on not paying for the preseason alone makes up will generally even out the playoff overages.  The perks of season tickets mean nothing.

lol

[isired]

1 percent is obviously a low number BUT if i'm purchasing tickets to any event I want  a zero percent chance that I am being hustled

I hate to make SAR's argument for him, but you do indeed have that option. STH get exactly the seats they paid for, every game, with a zero percent chance of being hustled - well, after the initial PSL hustle, anyway.

[Snell41]

I call 'that guy' sitting next to me paying less "a customer".

I don't dislike him.  I need him.  He's the guy who's going to buy my seats for games I can't attend. 

That's how Yankee season ticket holders see it, trust me.  They don't view the last-minute StubHub buyer sitting next to them as riff-raff.  They view them as a source of income to offset losses.

SAR I

But doesn't that guy getting the ticket at a cheap discount drink, burp and fart?

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[Fibonacci]

16 hours ago, SAR I said:

Good post, and no doubt some disenfranchised season ticket holders would have no choice but to re-up and commit again.

However, there are far more fans doing a-la-carte at low prices than there are ex-season ticket holders who would want to re-join, in the end you'd have a handful of Yankee fans begrudgingly committing to 81 games again and you'd have tens of thousands of fans who would just stop going to games altogether, they simply can't afford it.  In Jets terms, for every fan like you who would fork over $3,000 each year to get back into MetLife you'd have 100 who don't have $3,000, they don't even have $300 to spend on a handful of games each season.

The good in StubHub for very expensive teams like the Yankees is that instead of season ticket holders leaving their seats empty, they're putting fans there who pay for parking, pay for food, pay for souvenirs.  Remember, the Yankees get paid in full for the seats anyway, it's not like those $50 fans were going to pay $300 or whatever the face value was.

SAR I

Look SAR. I understand where you are coming from and you have some valid arguments. But ticket prices are not God's rules. They can be adjusted by the Yankees based on what they see in the next 2 years after kicking out Stubhub. Like I said Yankees will definitely lose STH's but eventually things will be balanced out once Yankees price the ST's right and telling STH's that what they paid for ST's will be what second hand market folks will pay in the future.

For every SAR  who sees people who buy cheap tickets as a way to get out of unwanted games, there are also STH's who hate there are people sitting next to them while paying significantly less than them. 

As a fan who prefers a la carte ticketing, I don't like what Yankees are doing and I would hate it if Jets did the same but I think Yankees are doing the right thing to protect the value of their tickets. 

[SAR I]

14 hours ago, gEYno said:

But this is where the averages come in.  Lets say seats are 200 per game.  You skip 4 games as someone who isn't a season ticket holder.  You just saved $800 that you can afford to pay, over the $200 for a playoff ticket, or any other game you want to see.  This is why I'd never buy season tickets.  The money I'd save just on not paying for the preseason alone makes up will generally even out the playoff overages.  The perks of season tickets mean nothing.

The perks of season tickets are convenience and sitting next to a consistent group of fans who become your friends and your kids friends.

If neither the inconvenience of hunting for tickets or the bonding of fans around you matters, absolutely, don't become a season ticket holder.

SAR I

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, Snell41 said:

But doesn't that guy getting the ticket at a cheap discount drink, burp and fart?

 

Yes, but he's paying me for games I can't attend so it's not my problem.

SAR I