JetBlue Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-hit-the-reset-button-at-qb-with-mason-rudolph/ 12. New York Jets Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB, Alabama. Todd Bowles will lean toward adding another youthful member to his secondary. Like James, Fitzpatrick is a long, versatile defensive back. He can play cornerback or safety and would be the Jets' No. 1 boundary cornerback right away. If this is to be believed, I tell ya, it just gets better and better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Not a chance. The jets are drafting either a QB, a LT or an Edge Rusher . One of the 3 premium positions is going to get filled in the 1st round come April . Might be 2 if we an steal a Free agent QB with 1 of our 2nd round picks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Just because most of the fans think we are drafting a first round qb this season doesn't mean it will happen. If we miss out on the better two or three guys we might be better off taking the best corner in the draft than reaching for a qb.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Oh, you lol all you want, homey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, bealeb319 said: Just because most of the fans think we are drafting a first round qb this season doesn't mean it will happen. If we miss out on the better two or three guys we might be better off taking the best corner in the draft than reaching for a qb. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app I get your point, I just think one of Lamar Jackson, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph will be available when we pick and that corner better be the second coming of Deon Sanders if we pass on one of those quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Oh, you lol all you want, homey lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 33 minutes ago, Tinstar said: Not a chance. The jets are drafting either a QB, a LT or an Edge Rusher . One of the 3 premium positions is going to get filled in the 1st round come April . Might be 2 if we an steal a Free agent QB with 1 of our 2nd round picks . We are going to use one of our 2nd rounders on a free agent QB? I wouldn't put it past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 57 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: We are going to use one of our 2nd rounders on a free agent QB? I wouldn't put it past them. I have 2 in mind, the Kid backing up in Cincy and the kid now starting for the Colts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 The only reason why this won't happen, is because he's going to be a good pro. What will happen: we draft the CB immediately after Minkah, when Bowles and Mac panic at the impending "run on CBs" and quickly snag up the guy who will be out of the league in three years. That's what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 15 hours ago, Tinstar said: I have 2 in mind, the Kid backing up in Cincy and the kid now starting for the Colts . Ah. I see what you meant. Brissett isn't a FA until 2020, but McCarron is restricted. I guess that means he'll be tendered and we could work out a deal. FWIW, he filed a grievance stating that he should be a UFA, but I don't know if it has been resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 And you are surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 39 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Ah. I see what you meant. Brissett isn't a FA until 2020, but McCarron is restricted. I guess that means he'll be tendered and we could work out a deal. FWIW, he filed a grievance stating that he should be a UFA, but I don't know if it has been resolved. McCarron is not worth a second round pick which would be his tender Now his wife on the other hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 28 minutes ago, Philc1 said: McCarron is not worth a second round pick which would be his tender Now his wife on the other hand I know it wasn't the point of your post, but... Press expects a 1st round tender. The Browns already offered a 2nd and 3rd at the deadline and were late getting the paperwork in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: I know it wasn't the point of your post, but... Press expects a 1st round tender. The Browns already offered a 2nd and 3rd at the deadline and were late getting the paperwork in. Well that’s the Browns they made that offer in haste because the niners got Garropolo for less than what they offered the Cheaters McCarron is a glorified Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Well that’s the Browns they made that offer in haste because the niners got Garropolo for less than what they offered the Cheaters McCarron is a glorified Fitzpatrick None of this is really relevant to the conversation. What has happened to make the Browns not want McCarron? Are they satisfied with Kizer? If the Bengals were offered a 2nd and 3rd they will probably high tender him and try to deal. It is relevant to whether we should trade for him, but that is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: None of this is really relevant to the conversation. What has happened to make the Browns not want McCarron? Are they satisfied with Kizer? If the Bengals were offered a 2nd and 3rd they will probably high tender him and try to deal. It is relevant to whether we should trade for him, but that is another matter. McCarron’s tender will be a second round pick. I don’t think he’s that good. His arm strength is below average like I said he’s Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0 unless you think the Browns have suddenly mastered evaluating the qb position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 4:23 PM, JetBlue said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-hit-the-reset-button-at-qb-with-mason-rudolph/ 12. New York Jets Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB, Alabama. Todd Bowles will lean toward adding another youthful member to his secondary. Like James, Fitzpatrick is a long, versatile defensive back. He can play cornerback or safety and would be the Jets' No. 1 boundary cornerback right away. If this is to be believed, I tell ya, it just gets better and better.... This is not a joke thou it will come off as one IMO Minkah will make a great NFL Safety, CB no thanks so the Jets would need to deploy 3 Saftey base D sweet right up Bowles alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:05 PM, Philc1 said: McCarron’s tender will be a second round pick. I don’t think he’s that good. His arm strength is below average like I said he’s Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0 unless you think the Browns have suddenly mastered evaluating the qb position The Browns mastering evaluating the QB position is not the point. The point is that they supposedly offered a 2nd and a 3rd for him. Maybe his price will go down, but I doubt it. There is no shortage of stupid front offices. FWIW, the 2017 1st round tender was $3.91M. I can see no reason to try to save a million by offering him the 2nd round $2.76M. That is less than Ryan Fitzpatrick 1.0 got and he was 35, coming off a disaster of a season and doesn't know the offense. It isn't like the franchise tag where it correlates to position. Is there a world where A.J. McCarron is not worth more than Wesley Johnson? Having him locked up for a year at $2M less than Josh McCown makes him more attractive IMO. Has there been any news about his grievance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: The Browns mastering evaluating the QB position is not the point. The point is that they supposedly offered a 2nd and a 3rd for him. Maybe his price will go down, but I doubt it. There is not shortage of stupid front offices. FWIW, the 2017 1st round tender was $3.91M. I can see no reason to try to save a million by offering him the 2nd round $2.76M. That is less than Ryan Fitzpatrick 1.0 got and he is 35, coming off a disaster of a season and doesn't know the offense. It isn't like the franchise tag where it correlates to position. Is there a world where A.J. McCarron is not worth more than Wesley Johnson? Having him locked up for a year at $2M less than Josh McCown makes him more attractive IMO. Has there been any news about his grievance? My problem is not with the money it’s giving up a second round pick for a not good qb But then again Mac wastes second round picks like it’s going out of style so who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: My problem is not with the money it’s giving up a second round pick for a not good qb But then again Mac wastes second round picks like it’s going out of style so who cares No, your problem is that we are talking about different things. You are talking about whether the Jets should make the move. I was primarily responding to your stating his "tender will be a second round pick." I don't agree. Whether he is worth it for the Jets to make a move or not is another matter. I would rather give up the 2nd for his chicken arm (and save $2M-$8M in the process) than deal with another season of old journeyman, but he is pretty far down my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Yes they will draft minkah. They will miss out on the trade up, draft a CB and then they will use both 2nd rounders to trade back up into the 1st to get Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 12 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: No, your problem is that we are talking about different things. You are talking about whether the Jets should make the move. I was primarily responding to your stating his "tender will be a second round pick." I don't agree. Whether he is worth it for the Jets to make a move or not is another matter. I would rather give up the 2nd for his chicken arm (and save $2M-$8M in the process) than deal with another season of old journeyman, but he is pretty far down my list. The bengals can determine McCarron’s tender. No one is giving up a first round pick for him especially not in this draft and Garropolo set the market and is better than McCarron and he didn’t get the Pats a first round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 11 hours ago, Philc1 said: The bengals can determine McCarron’s tender. No one is giving up a first round pick for him especially not in this draft and Garropolo set the market and is better than McCarron and he didn’t get the Pats a first round pick I agree the Bengals can determine McCarron's tender. I disagree that they will not tender him as a first. I don't think you get it. Tendering him at a first doesn't mean you can't trade him for less. Garoppolo didn't set sh*t. Who is better isn't really the point. Garoppolo had a half a season left before becoming a UFA, don't you think that plays into the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 20 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: I agree the Bengals can determine McCarron's tender. I disagree that they will not tender him as a first. I don't think you get it. Tendering him at a first doesn't mean you can't trade him for less. Garoppolo didn't set sh*t. Who is better isn't really the point. Garoppolo had a half a season left before becoming a UFA, don't you think that plays into the deal? Even if they tender him as a first nobody is offering a first round pick for McCarron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 5:08 PM, T0mShane said: Oh, you lol all you want, homey He’s been your call since the start of the season. It’s a good one. But dont sleep on Darwin James being the BAP come draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 The sad truth is that even with all of the resources spent on the secondary over the past few years, CB is still a huge need for this team. Claiborne will be FA and struggles to stay on the field. Skrine likely won't be back (thankfully). What are we left with: Burris, Roberts, Robinson, Clark, Jones, Coleman.. That said, I think I am going to lose my sh!t if we take a CB in the first, or any other defensive player except maybe an edge rusher. It is time to add some young talent on the other side of the ball, especially under center. CB can be addressed in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 2, 2017 Share Posted December 2, 2017 On 12/1/2017 at 6:46 AM, Philc1 said: Even if they tender him as a first nobody is offering a first round pick for McCarron I'd have to imagine the Browns would still be offering a 2nd + another pick (could still be a 3rd) for him so why would the Bengals tag him with a 2nd round tender?? That literally makes zero sense. The only negative with a first round tender is the $1M difference. Who knows a team like Pittsburgh who has a late 1st could be willing to roll the dice if Big Ben retires. POTENTIALLY getting more than a 2nd round pick is worth the $1M IMO. @#27TheDominator is 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/2/2017 at 9:36 AM, bla bla bla said: I'd have to imagine the Browns would still be offering a 2nd + another pick (could still be a 3rd) for him so why would the Bengals tag him with a 2nd round tender?? That literally makes zero sense. The only negative with a first round tender is the $1M difference. Who knows a team like Pittsburgh who has a late 1st could be willing to roll the dice if Big Ben retires. POTENTIALLY getting more than a 2nd round pick is worth the $1M IMO. @#27TheDominator is 100% correct. Why would the browns offer all that to get McCarron when they have the #1 pick overall? The Steelers have never shown interest in McCarron and both franchises hate eachother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: Why would the browns offer all that to get McCarron when they have the #1 pick overall? The Steelers have never shown interest in McCarron and both franchises hate eachother It doesn't have to be the steelers, I just used them as a potential late round team that could give up more than a 2nd. I'm also not saying the Browns will offer what they did at the deadline because the circumstances are far different now but that's not to say another team won't offer a 2nd and a 7th. I think there would be a lot of teams okay giving up just a second for a cheap year with McCarron before they decide to trade up for a QB so why not tag him with a 1st round tender and if your best deal on the table is a 2nd then take that? do you think the extra $1M is worth the gamble of potentially getting more and in the worse case scenario taking just a 2nd anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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