nyjunc Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, HessStation said: Bailey was 5 time first team, 2 time second team. You can go away now. how many times can you be wrong? he was a 3 time 1st team all pro. No matter how many times you give me a different #(it's 5 now not 7?) you will still be wrong. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BailCh00.htm 2 hours ago, HessStation said: The irony is amazing. Junc is actually using the internet as he types. This couldn't be funnier, someone calling me out when they are 100% wrong and they have no idea how wrong they are. It's funny reading this and all your posts though. Thank you, this thread has been great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, greenwichjetfan said: Great discussion here which I just caught up on. There is a lot of context to take under consideration on both sides. Revis played for an attacking defense rather than a reactionary defense, so he knew he could press and would only have to cover for a few seconds per snap. However, even then, the WRs he faced were routinely considered among the best in the league...the same league that was starting to routinely put out 4K yard passers. That, plus the rule changes which obviously favored offenses, leads me to believe Revis' '09 season is unmatched, even given the numbers that Hess has provided for Champ's '06. That said, while Revis' peak might be the single greatest season ever, his window as an elite player in this league sits at 3 years. Then there were another 2 years that he was above average. And then another 2 years where he was barely serviceable. That says a lot. He will be a HoF simply based on '09 and his huge name recognition, but I don't think it will be the slam-dunk first ballot that some of the usual suspects so aggressively like to force upon the board. I don't think we can trust anything Hess says as he has been wrong so many times in this thread. I don't know what #s he posted from 2006 but in 2006 against Pitt Hines Ward caught 7 balls for 127 yards. Vincent Jackson had 3-95 yds in a game against Den, Darrell Jackson had 6-91. either he was covering those top WRs and got beat or he wasn't covering top WRs so his #s become irrelevant as Revis was always on the top guys. Champ Bailey was a very good corner, he was not Darrelle Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, nyjunc said: how many times can you be wrong? he was a 3 time 1st team all pro. No matter how many times you give me a different #(it's 5 now not 7?) you will still be wrong. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BailCh00.htm This couldn't be funnier, someone calling me out when they are 100% wrong and they have no idea how wrong they are. It's funny reading this and all your posts though. Thank you, this thread has been great. In 2003 the Pro Football Writers Association and Pro Football Weekly combined their All-pro teams, a practice that continued through 2008. 2003 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/allpro.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_All-Pro_Team 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_All-Pro_Teamhttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/allpro.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/allpro.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Are he and John Geiger still together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Good discussion . Let’s not let it reduced to personal attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, HessStation said: In 2003 the Pro Football Writers Association and Pro Football Weekly combined their All-pro teams, a practice that continued through 2008. 2003 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/allpro.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_All-Pro_Team 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_All-Pro_Teamhttps://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/allpro.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/allpro.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Bailey the official All pro team is the AP, he is a 3 time AP 1st team all pro. Other all pro teams are nice but they aren't official. he is considered a 3 time 1st team all pro which is 1 less than Darrelle Revis despite playing 4-5 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, nyjunc said: I don't think we can trust anything Hess says as he has been wrong so many times in this thread. I don't know what #s he posted from 2006 but in 2006 against Pitt Hines Ward caught 7 balls for 127 yards. Vincent Jackson had 3-95 yds in a game against Den, Darrell Jackson had 6-91. either he was covering those top WRs and got beat or he wasn't covering top WRs so his #s become irrelevant as Revis was always on the top guys. Champ Bailey was a very good corner, he was not Darrelle Revis. 2006 Champ Bailey allowed 40 Catches (Football Outsiders), 0 Touchdowns (Football Outsiders), had 10 interceptions (NFL.com) , 1 TD (NFL.com) and 85 tackles (NFL.com) , 38% Comp Rate (2007 Pro Football Prospectus) 2009 Darrelle Revis allowed 45 catches (Jetswit.com) and 2 Touchdowns (Football Outsiders), had 6 interceptions (NFL.com), 1 TD (NFL.com) and 54 tackles (NFL.com), 33% Comp Rate (Football Outsiders) http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2007/fo-mailbag-champ-baileys-four-receptions http://www.nfl.com/player/champbailey/2499489/careerstats http://www.nfl.com/player/darrellerevis/2495717/careerstats https://www.ganggreennation.com/2009/12/28/1222910/revis-island-statistical-break-down https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Football-Prospectus-2007-Essential/dp/0452288479 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I was listening to an interview with some Jags players, and they were talking about Jalen Ramsey...and his teammate was like, "we don't worry about Jalen, that's like having Deon over there"....he didn't say Revis. weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, JiF said: I was listening to an interview with some Jags players, and they were talking about Jalen Ramsey...and his teammate was like, "we don't worry about Jalen, that's like having Deon over there"....he didn't say Revis. weird. I think Sanders was a inch better, plus dual threat, returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Hess is dominating this debate. FWIW. Absolute domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ON4sOlxvtbU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, nyjunc said: the official All pro team is the AP, he is a 3 time AP 1st team all pro. Other all pro teams are nice but they aren't official. he is considered a 3 time 1st team all pro which is 1 less than Darrelle Revis despite playing 4-5 more years. They were official from 2003 to 2008 for everybody but somebody trying to win a failed argument lol. Revis First 11 years: 4x All Pro: (4) 1st Team, (0) 2nd Team 7x Pro Bowl 29 INT/ 3 TD 139 Pass Defended 408 Tackles Bailey First 11 years: 6x All Pro: (5) 1st Team, (1) 2nd Team 8x Pro Bowl 46 INT/ 4 TD 139 Pass Defended 663 Tackles ...Bailey went on to play another 4 years made (1) more All Pro 2nd Team and 3 more Pro Bowls, had another 6 INTs, 35 Pass Defended, & 149 tackles. In Bailey's 12th year he was still playing at an elite level shutting down HOF players like Larry Fitzgerald. and in his 14th year was still a 2nd Team All Pro. In Revis' 10th year he was a fat, ailing cow who everybody in the league was laughing at. In his 11th year he became a full fledge embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Omg it’s still going...The level of denial you people have over this guy just because of some money and the Jets suck lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Omg it’s still going...The level of denial you people have over this guy just because of some money and the Jets suck lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Omg it’s still going...The level of denial you people have over this guy just because of some money and the Jets suck lol. Imagine if he was trying to convince people that his opinion is right? I mean this is him not trying, LOL 17 pages of the same Revis had only 3 years nonsensical posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Imagine if he was trying to convince people that his opinion is right? I mean this is him not trying, LOL 17 pages of the same Revis had only 3 years nonsensical posts. Here's a quick synopsis of how this thread went down starring Patrick Swazey as HessStation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, HessStation said: They were official from 2003 to 2008 for everybody but somebody trying to win a failed argument lol. Revis First 11 years: 4x All Pro: (4) 1st Team, (0) 2nd Team 7x Pro Bowl 29 INT/ 3 TD 139 Pass Defended 408 Tackles Bailey First 11 years: 6x All Pro: (5) 1st Team, (1) 2nd Team 8x Pro Bowl 46 INT/ 4 TD 139 Pass Defended 663 Tackles ...Bailey went on to play another 4 years made (1) more All Pro 2nd Team and 3 more Pro Bowls, had another 6 INTs, 35 Pass Defended, & 149 tackles. In Bailey's 12th year he was still playing at an elite level shutting down HOF players like Larry Fitzgerald. and in his 14th year was still a 2nd Team All Pro. In Revis' 10th year he was a fat, ailing cow who everybody in the league was laughing at. In his 11th year he became a full fledge embarrassment. This is the most ridiculous way of trying to prove your point. According to you, if a QB is afraid of throwing to Revis' side of the field and is avoided he should suffer in comparison. And when Bailey or whoever you pick as better than Revis can follow a teams best WR to either side of the field let me know. Because once again, its Revis and A Williams and thats it. SO while Revis was tailing Megatron, Bailey was covering a #2 or #3 WR. Again, how many of these guys have you seen play? You havent answered that. Have you seen them or are you reading stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Here's a quick synopsis of how this thread went down starring Patrick Swazey as HessStation: Hate to break this to you, Swazey, like your attempt to prove Revis isnt what we think he is, is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, nyjunc said: the laughter never ends on this board. Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson and now Ty law. you just can't make this stuff up. Ty Law has come full circle. He was the shlt bag adviser who taught Revis how to get paid to being a hero all in once cycle. Law was nowhere near the player that Revis was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: I don't think we can trust anything Hess says as he has been wrong so many times in this thread. I don't know what #s he posted from 2006 but in 2006 against Pitt Hines Ward caught 7 balls for 127 yards. Vincent Jackson had 3-95 yds in a game against Den, Darrell Jackson had 6-91. either he was covering those top WRs and got beat or he wasn't covering top WRs so his #s become irrelevant as Revis was always on the top guys. Champ Bailey was a very good corner, he was not Darrelle Revis. True. Bailey had a far more lasting and productive career. But Revis' '09 season will get him into the HoF, so not sure why you're upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 I dont see anyone in this thread denying how good Revis was during his dominant years but his "promoters" as the all time greatest refuse to acknowledge the fat, cash checking, out of shape toad he morphed into in the last 3rd of his career as opposed to the sustained greatness of guys like Bailey, Sanders, Green etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Kleckineau said: I dont see anyone in this thread denying how good Revis was during his dominant years but his "promoters" as the all time greatest refuse to acknowledge the fat, cash checking, out of shape toad he morphed into in the last 3rd of his career as opposed to the sustained greatness of guys like Bailey, Sanders, Green etc. Very good synopsis. Now its a matter of remembering what he was or what he is. Reminds me of Haynesworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Imagine if he was trying to convince people that his opinion is right? Hahahahahahaha What got me was another attempt at that Bailey/Revis thing. It might catch a couple here because Revis robbed us of our money and dignity whatever the whiny narrative is, but beyond that no one would buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Hahahahahahaha What got me was another attempt at that Bailey/Revis thing. It might catch a couple here because Revis robbed us of our money and dignity whatever the whiny narrative is, but beyond that no one would buy it. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000815951 Revis #16 Bailey #12 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721897-nfl-nostalgia-ranking-the-best-shutdown-cornerbacks-in-history Revis #7 Bailey #6 https://athlonsports.com/nfl/25-greatest-defensive-backs-nfl-history Revis #17 Bailey #6 https://www.thetoptens.com/best-nfl-cornerbacks/ Revis #5 Bailey #2 https://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-famous-football-cornerbacks/reference Revis #6 Bailey #4 http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/best-cb-time/ Revis not on list Bailey #6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Not even trying to convince anyone but I implore you to be convinced by this Ranker list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 And still Champion. Peace out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 55 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Very good synopsis. Now its a matter of remembering what he was or what he is. Reminds me of Haynesworth. Completely agreeing with this btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 That’s like the 5th good bye THO. Is it *really* over or did BleacherReport offer up more evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: That’s like the 5th good bye THO. Is it *really* over or did BleacherReport offer up more evidence? What? Can't hear you Gato. Music's too loud while I'll celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Other than biased Jets fans ranking of Revis are there any actual respected expert opinions / lists etc in existence that actually state that Revis is the greatest of all time, tops, best ever etc? I honestly cant find any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 sh*t, sorry I broke Hess guys! Smoke two j’s and text me when you get home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Kleckineau said: Other than biased Jets fans ranking of Revis are there any actual expert opinions / lists etc in existence that actually state that Revis is the greatest of all time, tops, best ever etc? I honestly cant find any. Get over here Kleckineau. It's over. We won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Get over here Kleckineau. It's over. We won. Mmmm victory smelled sweet rushing by ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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