SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, HessStation said: Yeah. Then I looked it up on ESPN and their rating had Cousins a whopping .2% better in 2017. Damn that JN math is complex stuff, never know what you’ll get. Better cherry picking next time, Hess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 58 minutes ago, SenorGato said: So the Broncos’ master plan here is to cut their #2 cornerback a multi Pro Bowl talent, approach Cousins will less than half the cap space of the Jets (before cuts) and still well less than the Redskins, and preach to him about how loaded they are. Lol gotta love JN math. You are right. When cousins sees the broncos are going to trade or cut their #2 corner for him. He is going to say “ hold the presses elway, I’m not coming to Denver now”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Doesn’t matter Unless Macc is just a totally inept f*ckhead with rocks in his skull, he has to realize that he has to push all of his chips to the center of the table and go for broke this offseason. That 2 year extension means jack. The Raiders just gave Del Rio a 4 year extension back in February and he’s already out on his ass. He literally has to either sign Cousins or draft a QB in Round 1. And considering the major uncertainty that comes along with a rookie QB, I fully expect him to put on the full court press for Cousins. Of course it matters. Cousins is the prize free agent this cycle, provided Washington doesn't place a franchise tag on him, and Mac is going to face serious competition for his services. He allegedly wanted to trade up for Wentz or Goff but, if true, he got outbid. He has to sell this franchise and offer a big contract, maybe a poison pill style contract, to land this guy. I'm not saying he can't do it, but I'm definitely saying that he hasn't done anything close since he's been a GM. 42 minutes ago, SenorGato said: OTOH what he has done is pay a premium to land premium talent with money he had to spend. This is no different. Outside of the Vikings none of the competiton is within $30 million of the Jets even before cuts (well, Redskins are $28, a gap that probably fits a higher end average salary of what he signs). It's vastly different. The Browns have more money than the Jets, and arguably(?) a more desperate situation. Just as Cousins would be the safe route for the Jets, it's also the safe route for the Browns. Denver has a GM who built a Super Bowl winner just three years ago. You want to argue against that being a selling point, but it absolutely is. The Vikings play in a dome, are built to win right now, and have the money to get something done. No one else was bidding for Revis, Wilkerson, Forte, Fitzpatrick. Completely different. What I don't like about your posts on the matter is your insistence that this is an easy get for the Jets. It's not. There are many competitors and one, Washington, is likely to put themselves in a position to match any deal. Other teams can offer better management, coaching, supporting casts, and tax benefits. I don't understand why you have this need to sell it like Mac can get it done merely by wanting to get it done. He's going to have to demonstrate an ability to close that he has not displayed before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, Jetsplayer21 said: You are right. When cousins sees the broncos are going to trade or cut their #2 corner for him. He is going to say “ hold the presses elway, I’m not coming to Denver now”? Actually using highly complex JN math formulas he is most likely to say “I will sign here for less money!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, SenorGato said: Damn that JN math is complex stuff, never know what you’ll get. Better cherry picking next time, Hess! Speakong of math, so why couldn't any of these teams back load Cousins contract or offer another year in guaranteed money to offset the difference The Jets could be willing to bake in this year? (This is another rhetorical question btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, slats said: The Browns have more money than the Jets, and arguably(?) a more desperate situation. Just as Cousins would be the safe route for the Jets, it's also the safe route for the Browns. Denver has a GM who built a Super Bowl winner just three years ago. You want to argue against that being a selling point, but it absolutely is. The Vikings play in a dome, are built to win right now, and have the money to get something done. No one else was bidding for Revis, Wilkerson, Forte, Fitzpatrick. Completely different. The Browns are a legit threat if they jump in. Anyone with actual money now, not theoretical money after dumping off starters, is a serious threat. The same Broncos GM who won a SB three years ago, eternity in the NFL and minimal 2018 predictive value that offers if any, also built a bottom 5 team this year and needs to dump off playoff caliber starters like Talib (after dumping Ward and angering veterans) to fit Cousins. Vikings? Sure. Redskins? Sure. Browns? Sure. Broncos? Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Well, we can officially eliminate Jacksonville from the Cousins mix. Blake Bortles getting wrist surgery. His $19 million for 2018 is now fully guaranteed. It's not official yet, but year that helps. If his contract does become fully guaranteed that would also eliminate the chances of the Jags trading for Eli which could help push the Giants away from drafting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 http://www.spotrac.com/radio/13-the-mother-of-all-qb-offseasons-672/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: The Browns are a legit threat if they jump in. Anyone with actual money now, not theoretical money after dumping off starters, is a serious threat. The same Broncos GM who won a SB three years ago, eternity in the NFL and minimal 2018 predictive value that offers if any, also built a bottom 5 team this year and needs to dump off playoff caliber starters like Talib to fit Cousins. Vikings? Sure. Redskins? Sure. Browns? Sure. Broncos? Meh. Breaking news Broncos and Redskins have as much cap space as the Jets after 2018, enough for 20+ in 2018 and enough to offer the same amount of guaranteed money over multiple years as the Jets, which is what Cousins will be looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, HessStation said: Speakong of math, so why couldn't any of these teams back load Cousins contract or offer another year in guaranteed money to offset the difference The Jets could be willing to bake in this year? Bold: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Time+value+of+money Other question: The Jets could do the same thing Hess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Bold: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Time+value+of+money Other question: The Jets could do the same thing Hess. No doubt the Jets could. They just don't have this big advantage you speak of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Hows about we want kirk billboards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: Hows about we want kirk billboards? Def a deal closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, HessStation said: Breaking news Broncos and Redskins have as much cap space as the Jets after 2018 Broncos: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ Before cuts in millions.... 2018: ~$29 2019: ~52 2020: ~$138 Browns: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ 2018: ~$111 2019: ~$99 2020: ~$128 Jets: https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets 2018: ~$73 2019: ~$131 2020: ~$158 Yet another swing and a miss by Hess! What is QBR and why is it green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, HessStation said: No doubt the Jets could. They just don't have this big advantage you speak of. $$? Yah Hess, they do. Look up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Words You've really convinced yourself Cousins to the Jets is a done deal, haven't you. Be honest, have you already preordered a Cousins Jets jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Broncos: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ Before cuts in millions.... 2018: ~$29 2019: ~52 2020: ~$138 Browns: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ 2018: ~$111 2019: ~$99 2020: ~$128 Jets: https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets 2018: ~$73 2019: ~$131 2020: ~$158 Yet another swing and a miss by Hess! What is QBR and why is it green? Oops forgot the Redskins: https://overthecap.com/calculator/washington-redskins 2018: $52 2019: $79 2020: $112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Just now, Warfish said: You've really convinced yourself Cousins to the Jets is a done deal, haven't you. Be honest, have you already preordered a Cousins Jets jersey? 18 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Vikings? Sure. Redskins? Sure. Browns? Sure. Broncos? Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Broncos: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ Before cuts in millions.... 2018: ~$29 2019: ~52 2020: ~$138 Browns: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ 2018: $111 2019: ~$99 2020: $128 Jets: 2018: ~$73 2019: $131 2020: $158 Yet another swing and a miss by Hess! What is QBR and why is it green? Dude first relax. Smoke a cigarette or something. secondly, my point is they can offer the same amount in guaranteed and back load it. I thought I read 51mm Jets 2019 but read wrong line. but you should relax. You're way too amped over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: So that's a yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: You've really convinced yourself Cousins to the Jets is a done deal, haven't you. Be honest, have you already preordered a Cousins Jets jersey? Gato is in serious heat for Cousins. I love his passion tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: secondly, my point is they can offer the same amount in guaranteed and back load it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Time+value+of+money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Actually using highly complex JN math formulas he is most likely to say “I will sign here for less money!” Lol! Using your logic, jets would pay cousins 40, 50 mom mil a yr if that is what it takes ? The broncos would pay him 50 mil a yr too if they had the cap space ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Oops forgot the Redskins: 2018: $52 2019: $79 2020: $112 That Is also enough money to offer the same amount of guaranteed money as the Jets over 4-5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, HessStation said: Gato is in serious heat for Cousins. I love his passion tho. Honestly it’s mostly how anything numbers beyond 1+1 is still wizardry on this board. 2018 and something as simple as why a smart person will not take a backloaded contract is foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: That Is also enough money to offer the same amount of guaranteed money as the Jets over 4-5 years Jets: https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets 2018: ~$73 2019: ~$131 2020: ~$158 Redskins: 2018: $52 2019: $79 2020: $112 The same, he says! Casualrotfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Honestly it’s mostly how anything beyond numbers beyond 1+1 is still wizardry on this board this year. 2018 and something as simple as why a smart person will not take a backloaded contract is foreign. Well, I think You're being disingenuous to the size in scale. We're talking about having to amortize maybe 8MM over 3-5 years for the starting qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Broncos are a turrble decision for Kirk. Theyll need to release Talib to sign him. Sanders and Thomas are approaching their last year or two of relevance. Denver has squandered their post-Manning years and time is basically up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Jets: https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets 2018: ~$73 2019: ~$131 2020: ~$158 Redskins: 2018: $52 2019: $79 2020: $112 The same, he says! Casualrotfl Not the same, if I said that I misspoke and originallly misread had Jets 51mm 2019. BUT the point is both teams have enough cap space to offer a 28MM PER contract over 4-5 years. If the Jets want to go higher than that they're dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Broncos: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ Before cuts in millions.... 2018: ~$29 2019: ~52 2020: ~$138 Browns: https://overthecap.com/calculator/denver-broncos/ 2018: ~$111 2019: ~$99 2020: ~$128 Jets: https://overthecap.com/calculator/new-york-jets 2018: ~$73 2019: ~$131 2020: ~$158 Yet another swing and a miss by Hess! What is QBR and why is it green? 12 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Oops forgot the Redskins: https://overthecap.com/calculator/washington-redskins 2018: $52 2019: $79 2020: $112 Unless you expect the Jets to offer some completely ridiculous figure, these numbers represent no great advantage at all. Anyone in the $40M range in 2018 can compete. Cousins won't have any problem with backloading, as long as enough of that money is guaranteed. All of his contract offers will be based on what team's think he's worth, not on how much cap space they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, HessStation said: Well, I think You're being disingenuous to the size in scale. We're talking about having to amortize maybe 8MM over 3-5 years for the starting qb Full ideas, please! No teases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Full ideas, please! No teases! No clue. Are you giving up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Not the same, if I said that I misspoke and originallly misread had Jets 51mm 2019. BUT the point is both teams have enough cap space to offer a 28MM PER contract over 4-5 years. If the Jets want to go higher than that they're dumb Lol the Phil1c copout once it fully hits how not true anything you’ve been saying is. I knew I would get there eventually. **** yeah, did it again. Maybe next time, Hess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, slats said: Unless you expect the Jets to offer some completely ridiculous figure, these numbers represent no great advantage at all. Anyone in the $40M range in 2018 can compete. Cousins won't have any problem with backloading, as long as enough of that money is guaranteed. All of his contract offers will be based on what team's think he's worth, not on how much cap space they have. Meh. As I’ve said time and time again nothing Cousins signs will look ridiculous once Winston, Mariota, Wentz, and Goff get their inevitable second contracts. Anyone in the $40 range for cap space has to fit Cousins, roster holes (average turnover is 20% with an expensive FA crop), and their draft into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Lol the Phil1c copout once it fully hits how not true anything you’ve been saying is. I knew I would get there eventually. **** yeah, did it again. Maybe next time, Hess! You want the Jets to offer more than 28 per for 5 years guaranteed? how high would you go? I seriously can't wait for your response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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