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  1. 1. What's Macc's biggest whiff?

    • Not drafting Mahomes or Watson
    • Not trading up for Wentz/Goff
    • OL neglect
    • Failure to get a pass rusher
    • McCown for $10 mill
    • Trumaine Johnson
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    • Re-upping Mo Wilk
    • HACK
    • Airdarius Stewart
    • Balking at trading up for Kamara
    • Other (specify in thread)


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On 2/9/2019 at 9:14 AM, Jetster said:

It's Hackenberg by a country mile! 

When your so stubborn that you believe something that the person closest to Hackenberg DOESN'T see, your a STUBBORN ASS. 

Now, I believe Macc has done a lot better since & hopefully he learned a lot from whiffing on Hack. As a GM, how do you justify taking a QB in the 2nd round when this particular QBs old Head Coach trades up 1 spot above you & your quaking in your boots that he's pulled a fast one to take the guy he knows & coached in college & instead puts in his draft card & it's an offensive lineman? 

Right at that moment, Macc should have been saying, wait a damn second, the Coach that had him at Penn State just traded above me, not for Christian, even though the Texans NEEDED A YOUNG QB to groom. 

Jets should have taken that as a sure sign they had the wrong guy & scrambled to the next guy in line on their chalk board, but no Macc was smarter than your average bear. Well, maybe not.

Stubborn over his failure to admit his often severe lack of judgement is a major issue. His handling of the OL is the same stubborn bad judgement. He believed he could replace Dbrick with clady, and believes he can find the “ diamond in the rough “ OLineman by only drafting them in 6th and 7th rounds. Sign a bunch of b and C tier Olineman hoping one or 2 Break out, instead of investing in the tier 1 free agents. Mac obsession with BPA makes him a bad gm. Almost every gm realizes the increased value of Oline, so gms often reach in the draft. Like they do with pass rushers. Why we don’t have either.. instead of reaching a pass rusher, top OL, mac is stubborn with “ best player available “ and picks the best overall player ranked in the draft 2 years in a row. Non pass rushing dL, and a safety.. two positions most gms would never pick at 6. 

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10 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

His biggest flub? Hell you could do a top ten list like Letterman used too.

For me his all around performance is so bad that I can't narrow it down to just one. Yes he drafted Darnold but the other moves outweigh that one so far.

I picked OL neglect because it's Macc's latest and IMO his most glaring flub.

 

Macc is 14-34 last 3 years — and he’s guaranteed another 3 years in the same job

 

 

Let that sink in

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:53 PM, CanadaSteve said:

You can...We didn't have a QB, and you have to keep drafting them until you find one.

That said, as good as the two QB's are, they would not be as good here as they were.  KC's offense was a leader.  Mahomes does no better than Darnold did this year.  Same for Watson.

 

true enough about mahommes or watson had they been drafted by mac but it's still pretty clear that he was still set on hack or petty being decent qb's after a couple of seasons of bench sitting.  and it's hard to figure how that first season with fitz figured into it.

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1 minute ago, rangerous said:

true enough about mahommes or watson had they been drafted by mac but it's still pretty clear that he was still set on hack or petty being decent qb's after a couple of seasons of bench sitting.  and it's hard to figure how that first season with fitz figured into it.

Is Watson really that good tho?  He has the best WR in football beasting it for him and he sucked in the playoff game

 

Mahomes I don’t think has the same success here.  

 

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He didn't pick a 23 year old QB MVP for a strong safety.
 
 
A strong safety who might be the best or at least in that argument in the league over a qb who needed to be redshirted a year before being handed the keys to one of the most powerful offenses ever built in the nfl

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44 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Is Watson really that good tho?  He has the best WR in football beasting it for him and he sucked in the playoff game

 

Mahomes I don’t think has the same success here.  

 

as it turns out, watson needs more experience.  he has to learn the game more.  but either is better than hack even if bowles was developing them.

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4 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Stubborn over his failure to admit his often severe lack of judgement is a major issue. His handling of the OL is the same stubborn bad judgement. He believed he could replace Dbrick with clady, and believes he can find the “ diamond in the rough “ OLineman by only drafting them in 6th and 7th rounds. Sign a bunch of b and C tier Olineman hoping one or 2 Break out, instead of investing in the tier 1 free agents. Mac obsession with BPA makes him a bad gm. Almost every gm realizes the increased value of Oline, so gms often reach in the draft. Like they do with pass rushers. Why we don’t have either.. instead of reaching a pass rusher, top OL, mac is stubborn with “ best player available “ and picks the best overall player ranked in the draft 2 years in a row. Non pass rushing dL, and a safety.. two positions most gms would never pick at 6. 

Had a boss who suffered from “hidden gem disorder.” Refused to hire anyone with actual experience. Instead selected people with interesting personal stories because she fancied herself a “people guru” that could develop anyone. Advised her many times that you can take some calculated risks on those type of people but only when you already have a foundation of substantive knowledge and experience on the team. Predictably, the handful of people she inherited who knew how to do the job ended up doing all the work and we all left within months.

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21 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Did you actually look?  The very next player was Darron Lee only better.  Cody Whitehair, Ngakoue, Austin Hooper, Tyler Boyd, Kenyan Drake, Thuney, Worley, Sean Davis, Byard, Bradberry.  I can't wait until the Jets trade for Carl Nassib and you explain what a great move it is by Mack. 

I don't know which was a better prospect, but at least three guys had threads on here about how we should be drafting him. 

We can't fault him for Watson because Watson only made a first round exit in the playoffs?  I think the last 5 QBs Mac was involved with have never even made the playoffs.  Maybe McCown did as a backup.

The Texans won 2 more games last year than they had in any season over the last 6.  They were 1-9 in games Watson missed in 2017, 3-3 when he played. 

Watson didn't go ahead of Mahomes.  Mahomes went 10, Watson 12 and as I said above, at least 3 guys on this very board had threads about how we should draft him.  Buffalo management not seeing something is not a vote of confidence.  Nathan Peterman is the Christian Hackenberg of northern NY.

Why?  That isn't the Christian Hackenberg Maccagnan drafted.  From what I read, he completely reinvented himself in Oakland. Then again for the AAF.  Maccagnan couldn't be expected to know Hack would be so bad with his 3rd throwing motion in 2 years.  Could he?

The point on Watson is he wins game but was not up to it in the playoffs but Mahomes was. Should he have picked Watson? Maybe but we might be saddled with a guy that is great in the regular season and can't  turn it up in the playoffs. So far that is what he is. As far as his plan to wait out until the 2018 class, I would have to say he was right. I think we either ended up with Darnold or Mayfield. I was sure the Giants were not taking a QB.o was telling everyone in my family of Giants fans that they would take Barkley.  

As far as Mahomes, if GM's thought he was going to be this very accurate  athletic freak we are seeing, he would have been #1 overall. Nobody saw this coming. 

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11 hours ago, rangerous said:

as it turns out, watson needs more experience.  he has to learn the game more.  but either is better than hack even if bowles was developing them.

Well yeah you and me could probably play the qb position better than Hackenberg 

 

I just think Watson has hit his ceiling and it ain’t that high

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10 hours ago, jgb said:

Had a boss who suffered from “hidden gem disorder.” Refused to hire anyone with actual experience. Instead selected people with interesting personal stories because she fancied herself a “people guru” that could develop anyone. Advised her many times that you can take some calculated risks on those type of people but only when you already have a foundation of substantive knowledge and experience on the team. Predictably, the handful of people she inherited who knew how to do the job ended up doing all the work and we all left within months.

In the real world sometimes you don’t want people with experience.  I’ve worked with and supervised people who had amazing resumes who were absolutely horrible 

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

In the real world sometimes you don’t want people with experience.  I’ve worked with and supervised people who had amazing resumes who were absolutely horrible 

Need a mix. But when your field is relatively technical you can’t take someone who doesn’t even apply and has zero experience whatsoever doing the job (she would look on LinkedIn for people who had interesting personal stories) unless like I said you’re taking a chance on someone. But to build a whole team that way? Destined to fail.

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13 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

A strong safety who might be the best or at least in that argument in the league over a qb who needed to be redshirted a year before being handed the keys to one of the most powerful offenses ever built in the nfl

It's a strike against Mahomes that he had to sit for a year?  lol.  The Chiefs had given big money to Alex Smith.  There was ample reason to continue to throw him out there until such time that they wanted to trade him.  Which they did, and when he was at peak value at that. 

And despite Smith having a career year, the Chiefs were anxious to get Mahomes under center.  Some people here questioned the move, thinking it was dumb to get rid of Smith.  That evaporated quickly. 

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1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

The point on Watson is he wins game but was not up to it in the playoffs but Mahomes was. Should he have picked Watson? Maybe but we might be saddled with a guy that is great in the regular season and can't  turn it up in the playoffs. So far that is what he is. As far as his plan to wait out until the 2018 class, I would have to say he was right. I think we either ended up with Darnold or Mayfield. I was sure the Giants were not taking a QB.o was telling everyone in my family of Giants fans that they would take Barkley.  

As far as Mahomes, if GM's thought he was going to be this very accurate  athletic freak we are seeing, he would have been #1 overall. Nobody saw this coming. 

Everybody and their mother knew that Mahomes was an athletic freak. The knock was the "gimmick" offense. If Adams was the smart pick he would have traded down.  If he wanted to stack assets for the  2018 class, he would have traded down. People think he couldn't trade down.  How did the Bills and Browns pull it off? 

QBs are a commodity.  Anybody with hope has value.  

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It's a strike against Mahomes that he had to sit for a year?  lol.  The Chiefs had given big money to Alex Smith.  There was ample reason to continue to throw him out there until such time that they wanted to trade him.  Which they did, and when he was at peak value at that. 
And despite Smith having a career year, the Chiefs were anxious to get Mahomes under center.  Some people here questioned the move, thinking it was dumb to get rid of Smith.  That evaporated quickly. 
He played a little bit his rookie season and was underwhelming

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3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Everybody and their mother knew that Mahomes was an athletic freak. The knock was the "gimmick" offense. If Adams was the smart pick he would have traded down.  If he wanted to stack assets for the  2018 class, he would have traded down. People think he couldn't trade down.  How did the Bills and Browns pull it off? 

QBs are a commodity.  Anybody with hope has value.  

Again, nobody thought Mahomes would be this. He is going to retire as the best the game ever saw. he is going to surpass Brady in everything if they keep him healthy and keep talent around him. He almost engineered a come from behind playoff win against a BB defense and the only reason they didn't win is they lost the coin toss. There is a reason he wasn't the number one overall pick that he should have been and it was more than the O he played in. 

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5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Again, nobody thought Mahomes would be this. He is going to retire as the best the game ever saw. he is going to surpass Brady in everything if they keep him healthy and keep talent around him. He almost engineered a come from behind playoff win against a BB defense and the only reason they didn't win is they lost the coin toss. There is a reason he wasn't the number one overall pick that he should have been and it was more than the O he played in. 

Poor job by GMs picking in the first ten? 

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Macc's trade last year just turned out brilliant.  Moves up to only three, which enables him to keep this years 3rd overall, and then gets the number one QB prospect. 

Gotta credit him.  Well done.

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Well yeah you and me could probably play the qb position better than Hackenberg 

 

I just think Watson has hit his ceiling and it ain’t that high

maybe.  it looks like mahommes is the real deal.  the other guys like watson and trubisky may stick around a bit but they certainly haven't showed they deserve to be franchise qb's.  goff certainly lost some creds. and we also see guys like dak prescott coming down to earth.  we'll start to see how good darnold, mayfield, rosen, allen, and jackson are starting this season.

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28 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

He played a little bit his rookie season and was underwhelming

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He played 1 game in 2017.  He went 22-35 (62.9 %) for 284 yards (8.1 ypa), for a 76.4 QB Rating.  Not bad for a rookie debut.

And obviously the coaching staff saw plenty in him outside of that one game to say "he's our guy". 

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I think it's the combination of Hack and failing to take Mahomes or Watson. 
These are glossed over at this stage because we have Darnold but the horrendous pick of Hackenberg coupled with passing on Mahomes and Watson to give Hack another shot... Just awful.
The overall neglect of the offensive line is probably up there too.

Would have been nice to have taken Mahomes then used the 6th lick last year on Quentin Nelson. Devin Smith was also atrociousl


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50 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Poor job by GMs picking in the first ten? 

You could say that but my point is there were no clues he would be this good. Everyone  thought Winston and Mariota were can't miss. Mahomes was in a draft where others were thought to be better as was Watson. What, you don't  think the Browns would have taken Mahomes over Garrett, or the Niners over Thomas or Jacksonville over Fournette.

They all needed QB's

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1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

You could say that but my point is there were no clues he would be this good. Everyone  thought Winston and Mariota were can't miss. Mahomes was in a draft where others were thought to be better as was Watson. What, you don't  think the Browns would have taken Mahomes over Garrett, or the Niners over Thomas or Jacksonville over Fournette.

They all needed QB's

There were millions of clues.  What there weren't, was guarantees.  Any idiot can pick a can't miss.  It takes skill and talent to look beyond that.  I'm not going to kill the guy over a mistake so many others made, but if he thought the 2018 class was so much better, he didn't even do the best job of maximizing his chances there. 

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55 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

There were millions of clues.  What there weren't, was guarantees.  Any idiot can pick a can't miss.  It takes skill and talent to look beyond that.  I'm not going to kill the guy over a mistake so many others made, but if he thought the 2018 class was so much better, he didn't even do the best job of maximizing his chances there. 

Well a lot of people are killing him over that on this board. Many said he should be fired for taking Adams and not one of these two QB's. 

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18 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Macc is 14-34 last 3 years — and he’s guaranteed another 3 years in the same job

 

 

Let that sink in

If he screws up this draft and loses out in FA his days are numbered.

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1 minute ago, JetFaninMI said:

If he screws up this draft and loses out in FA his days are numbered.

I hope so

 

$100 million in cap room and a top 3 pick and he has a qb.  A 5 year old couldn’t screw this up

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