BornJetsFan1983 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Jets723 said: It didn’t make sense to trade him UNLESS they got the offer they wanted. Yes Adams can be a pain but trading him for the sake of trading him for a lesser offer would hurt us more Yeah sure I'm not disagreeing...I mean his job is to listen...if the right trade comes sure take it, help the team sure..BUT the dude blasted the team - you can't have that on the squad. Im now firmly in the you have to move on get, get something for him if you can but if he gets away with it, inmates run the prison and add a weak ass coach...total disfunction. He gots to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Jets723 said: Yeah I need to get AT LEAST a 1st and a 2nd for Adams given his age and coming off this year especially I think Adams is worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. He is really worth 2 #1's, but that won't happen. If we don't get the 2nd 1st round pick, then we need two picks besides a 1st rounder. Let's put it this way: Would you trade your 6th pick in the first round for the #18 pick in the draft, plus the #50 pick in the draft? I wouldn't do it. Not enough. Now, knowing that the 6th pick in the draft is the best safety in the NFL, and he is 24 years old, would you do it now for the #18 pick and the #50 pick? The answer is that you wouldn't make the deal. Why???? Because you wouldn't trade a known quantity for an unknown quantity unless it is worth the risk. The #18 and the #50 pick is not worth the risk. You must sweeten the pot, or the deal doesn't get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 hours ago, Beerfish said: 9: R1P9 OT TRISTAN WIRFS IOWA 41: R2P9 G BEN BREDESON MICHIGAN 66: R3P2 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 73: R3P9 OT JEDRICK WILLS ALABAMA 115: R4P9 WR DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES MICHIGAN 152: R5P8 CB ERIC STOKES GEORGIA 187: R6P9 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA Not bad, but I want a Center in there somewhere and I want a WR earlier than Round 4 somehow. Trade back in Round 1 to get an additional 2nd then go.... 1st - OT 2nd - WR 2nd - Center 3rd - OT 4th - CB 5th.... .. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Does anyone know if the Nickerson trade resulted in a pick? I know he was traded for a conditional pick, but he did make the original 53 for Seattle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Alka said: I think Adams is worth a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick. He is really worth 2 #1's, but that won't happen. If we don't get the 2nd 1st round pick, then we need two picks besides a 1st rounder. Let's put it this way: Would you trade your 6th pick in the first round for the #18 pick in the draft, plus the #50 pick in the draft? I wouldn't do it. Not enough. Now, knowing that the 6th pick in the draft is the best safety in the NFL, and he is 24 years old, would you do it now for the #18 pick and the #50 pick? The answer is that you wouldn't make the deal. Why???? Because you wouldn't trade a known quantity for an unknown quantity unless it is worth the risk. The #18 and the #50 pick is not worth the risk. You must sweeten the pot, or the deal doesn't get done. Agree with the draft compensation needing to be better, but how does a new expensive contract factor into the draft pick compensation? we only got a 3 and 5 for Len Williams in part because he needs to be re signed and won’t be cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 19 hours ago, Beerfish said: We need more picks and more high picks. I don't see our gm or our owner having the balls to make the hard and bold choices though. And you came to this conclusion how? You have no f*cking idea what our new GM will do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 22 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: It is. we have: 1st rounder 2nd rounder 3rd rounder (x2) 4th rounder 5th rounder 6th Rounder 7th Rounder 8 picks. I'd get 5 OL, a CB, a WR and an OLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 19 hours ago, Beerfish said: 9: R1P9 OT TRISTAN WIRFS IOWA 41: R2P9 G BEN BREDESON MICHIGAN 66: R3P2 RB CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE LSU 73: R3P9 OT JEDRICK WILLS ALABAMA 115: R4P9 WR DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES MICHIGAN 152: R5P8 CB ERIC STOKES GEORGIA 187: R6P9 WR TYLER JOHNSON MINNESOTA I did a simulated draft at The Draft Network, their big board is a little more realistic right now. Here’s what I came up with. 9 CeeDee Lamb , WR Oklahoma 41 Austin Jackson , OT USC 66 Calvin Throckmorton , OT Oregon 73 Trey Smith , IOL Tennessee 105 Denzel Mims , WR Baylor 136 Lamical Perine , RB Florida 168 Levonta Taylor , CB Florida State 200 Kendall Coleman , EDGE Syracuse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 hours ago, joewilly12 said: What if draft picks for the best Safety in the NFL and our best defensive player not a smart move. If I wanted to accumulate an additional Draft pick or two I would much rather prefer TRADING BACK in Round 1 (say from #9 to #14) to instead of trading away the one true difference maker we have on Defense right now. I know JA plays a "non premium" position but the Jets line him up in premium spots and premium opportunities to make a stop (Dak's 2-point conversion attempt, Daniel Jones on 4th down sneak), get sacks or cause fumbles. He's a kind of Swiss Army knife and there will come a day that the other things on the team are good enough that we'll really need a guy like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Bowles Movement said: Agree with the draft compensation needing to be better, but how does a new expensive contract factor into the draft pick compensation? we only got a 3 and 5 for Len Williams in part because he needs to be re signed and won’t be cheap My response to you is with a question: "How does Leonard Williams impact the defense?" The answer is that he doesn't impact the defense at all. He doesn't get sacks, he doesn't blow up plays and change the complexion of the game. Add to it that the Jets have defensive lineman who are just as capable as Leonard Williams was, and you make Williams expendable. Now, you change Leonard Williams with Jamal Adams, who is someone who does impact the defense, and can change the complexion of a game, and add to the fact that we don't have another safety who does the things that Jamal does, and we would need to replace Jamal with at least a starter, and you have the reasons why it may be worth keeping Jamal with paying him equitable money that he is justified in getting. I don't believe you get rid of players with the most important reason being that you will need to "pay them big bucks". You get rid of players who don't impact the game to the degree that paying that player big bucks would not justify their impact to the game. Now, you might say that Jamal is a safety and doesn't impact the game in a significant way, but it is my opinion that Jamal has at least proven to me that he does impact the game, and that is why other teams are willing to pay probably dearly for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alka said: My response to you is with a question: "How does Leonard Williams impact the defense?" The answer is that he doesn't impact the defense at all. He doesn't get sacks, he doesn't blow up plays and change the complexion of the game. Add to it that the Jets have defensive lineman who are just as capable as Leonard Williams was, and you make Williams expendable. Now, you change Leonard Williams with Jamal Adams, who is someone who does impact the defense, and can change the complexion of a game, and add to the fact that we don't have another safety who does the things that Jamal does, and we would need to replace Jamal with at least a starter, and you have the reasons why it may be worth keeping Jamal with paying him equitable money that he is justified in getting. I don't believe you get rid of players with the most important reason being that you will need to "pay them big bucks". You get rid of players who don't impact the game to the degree that paying that player big bucks would not justify their impact to the game. Now, you might say that Jamal is a safety and doesn't impact the game in a significant way, but it is my opinion that Jamal has at least proven to me that he does impact the game, and that is why other teams are willing to pay probably dearly for him. Ok. Reverse the situation you are Joe Douglas and you have an average player at safety you like Adams game and appreciate that he would be a positive addition to your team but if you trade for him you need to sign him long term what would you trade to get Adams and what are you prepared to pay him to keep him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said: Ok. Reverse the situation you are Joe Douglas and you have an average player at safety you like Adams game and appreciate that he would be a positive addition to your team but if you trade for him you need to sign him long term what would you trade to get Adams and what are you prepared to pay him to keep him ? I would be happy to trade him for a mid-round 1st draft pick, along with (2) two third round draft picks. The reason I offer this is because I think that this will get it done. If I am the Dallas Cowboys, and the Jets rejected this offer, I would sweeten it to: Dallas's first round pick, (1) second round pick for 2021, and (1) 2020 third round pick. Remember, Dallas's 1st round pick is mid round, and you never know what you will get at that slot. Now, if the 1st round pick was a top 5 pick, I'm not sure I make that deal. A top 5 player should be a game changer, and if I had that pick, my needs would be more than that of a quality safety. I would pay Jamal a (5) year deal for a total of $70,000,000.00. I would guarantee $40,000,000.00 of that money. Right now, the top (3) NFL safeties are making an average of $14M per year, and there is no reason to try to lowball Jamal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Alka said: I would be happy to trade him for a mid-round 1st draft pick, along with (2) two third round draft picks. The reason I offer this is because I think that this will get it done. If I am the Dallas Cowboys, and the Jets rejected this offer, I would sweeten it to: Dallas's first round pick, (1) second round pick for 2021, and (1) 2020 third round pick. Remember, Dallas's 1st round pick is mid round, and you never know what you will get at that slot. Now, if the 1st round pick was a top 5 pick, I'm not sure I make that deal. A top 5 player should be a game changer, and if I had that pick, my needs would be more than that of a quality safety. I would pay Jamal a (5) year deal for a total of $70,000,000.00. I would guarantee $40,000,000.00 of that money. Right now, the top (3) NFL safeties are making an average of $14M per year, and there is no reason to try to lowball Jamal. Our record isnt much worse than Dallas and they have salary cap issues with paying Dak and Zeke but you think they will give up three high picks to pay Adams 14 mill a yr? FWIW I dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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